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This is the key point for me. There are different aspects to acting. Some actors are better at some things than others, and versatility and depth are not the only important or valuable qualities that an actor can possess.
I’m the opposite. Though I used to think the same as you. Craig’s acting is a bit more understated compared to Dalton’s, who tended to be intense and dramatic in his mannerisms.
Always enjoyed the firetruck chase! One of the highlights of the film, IMO.
The scene would be so much better without the campy humor...
I think several of us felt that way.
Controversial opinion, TWINE is even worse than DAD. Whilst DAD is far from being a good film, it doesn't try to be anything, other than ludicrous and over the top.
TWINE, on the other hand, tries to sell itself as a somewhat serious film. The tone is all over the place, the locations are uninspired. The acting, Broz and Dame Judi aside, is poor. The action scene's boring. Electra could have been an interesting villain, if her turn wasn't so obviously telegraphed. The whole thing is a mess.
Brosnan, described Spectre as neither "Fish nor Fowl". I think that perfectly describes TWINE, and not in a good way.
I still think it's controversial as the news of Boyle as director for Bond was generally greeted with enthusiasm. I was happy there was someone hired, but I feared a new Tamahori. We'll never know of course.
I am increasingly of the same opinion. I prefer Dalton's interpretation of the character. It's less subtle, but there's something quite authentic and 'real' about his version. When younger I found it too flappable (especially in comparison to his cool predecessors), but now I appreciate it a lot. He was a convincing wounded Bond despite not having all the backstory for his characterization to rely on.
I personally wouldn't go that far. I like too many scenes from AVTAK for this to be near the top. ;)
Which one can say of any of Moore's Bond films.
That is somewhat controversial! I like J.W. Pepper--in small doses--but the boat chase could have been about half its length (and I'd like more of Martin's score in there).
What was lousy was when they tried to copy J.W. Pepper later, as in the Keystone Cop from AVTAK.
Some films/scenes are more cringe worthy than others though...
I think that Sheriff pepper is fantastic, in both his appearances. He wouldn’t work in a Craig or Connery film but he is amazing in his two Moore appearances
I'm a big Sheriff JW Pepper fan as well. As outlandishly ridiculous as it is, I really love his appearance in TMWTGG. I think he's hilarious.
@JamesBondKenya, one of the things I like about your post is the positivity.
On this controversial opinion thread it's easy to get caught up in negative controversial opinions (FRWL is the worst Bond film ever, Daniel Craig sucks, and so forth).
That inspires me, so I'll try here:
I find Norman Burton to be one of the stronger Leiters. After watching DAF yesterday, I must say I've grown to appreciate his Felix far more than I ever did. He has genuinely solid chemistry with Connery, gets a decent amount of screen time and overall was well cast, considering the tone the film was going for.
NSNA feels classic and more like real James Bond film with each passing era. I've always loved it.
Timothy Dalton looks great in LTK, especially rocking that navy blue tie-less suit during the tanker climax.
Agreed. I love Pepper.
OK, here's one:
Reading the books, I always found Mathis to be a far more compelling character than Leiter.
It's a bit disappointing to me that the films have always worked hard to bring in Felix, and that Mathis - who was off to a great start! - was killed off in QOS.
That's not a bad shout, actually.
Totally agree!
About a decade ago I was in Munich visiting my sister during Oktoberfest and overindulged. I was late to the airport the next day and remember running anxiously down the hall looking for my plane's gate (I had a brutal hangover and so it didn't initially compute that the number was obviously on my boarding pass). I came across a section with a bunch of seated folks who looked far more overfed than the rest (and far more casually dressed and noisy to boot). One quick look up at the display confirmed I was at the right spot. I remember J.W and his wife flashing across my mind briefly along with a sense of relief that I had found my flight back home.
I don't think your comment about Tom Mackiewicz is controversial.
On the one hand they want to present a more scaled-back, more world-weary Moore Bond but still want to insert the dumb humor. Any increasing of stakes is lost because there's more emphasis on turning Moore Bond into a Harold Lloyd physical comedian in the chase rather than upping the stakes in the suspense and action.
It's very a very American touch with the humor and I can only wonder what fans in other countries thought about these scenes at the time since they made me embarrassed to be a Bond fan at that point. They should've left Moore's involvement in comedy car chase/crash stuff to the Burt Reynolds Cannonball Run movies.
I think that's why he appeals to me too. The guy may be a stereotype, he's played with such sincerity that he doesn't come over as beeing over the top, rather then a back-waters oddball getting cought up in something far bigger then he'll be able to understand but still trying to keep up and play his part 'A secret agent?!?!?! On who's side?!?!?!?'.
And yes, American tourists are that recogniseable. ;-)
This is absolutely on the mark. Well said. Regardless of the assessment of his "acting skills," I think one that is oft-overlooked is how lived-in he made the role feel. That is far more difficult to convey than, say, Craig's burning blue eyes of a thousand stars. Craig is a fantastic actor, and I'm not even saying that Moore is a better actor than Craig, but to dismiss the subtle tics here and there to Moore's performances as well as what you call "internal consistency," is unfair to Moore's acting skills.
That is truly saying something. He and Connery both did that. It never, ever felt like acting, which would be more understandable for Connery, given that he set the template, but certainly Moore was working uphill to establish that same internal consistency so the fact that he was able to do that -- to make the character feel lived-in and real -- is impressive. It's why I'll always consider him second best, or tied for second best.
You don’t need to look any further than the very best. :D