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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.

    I like that.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

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  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,821
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

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    Video is even better!


    If only Jon Hamm was a Brit, then he would have been an ideal Bond, IMO.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    It was on the behind the scenes of Moonraker documentary.


    I have seen the same documentary and I can't remember it was ever stated that this was Gilbert's decision specifically. Gilbert commented on it in the documentary. That is not to say it was his idea.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

    c3ed552d3c4cb74dcd4bbdf4f3eb1714.jpg

    Video is even better!


    If only Jon Hamm was a Brit, then he would have been an ideal Bond, IMO.

    Probably my favorite scene from that show.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Remington wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

    c3ed552d3c4cb74dcd4bbdf4f3eb1714.jpg

    Video is even better!


    If only Jon Hamm was a Brit, then he would have been an ideal Bond, IMO.
    Probably my favorite scene from that show.
    Glad I’m not the only one who loves that scene. :D
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,821
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

    c3ed552d3c4cb74dcd4bbdf4f3eb1714.jpg

    Video is even better!


    If only Jon Hamm was a Brit, then he would have been an ideal Bond, IMO.
    Probably my favorite scene from that show.
    Glad I’m not the only one who loves that scene. :D

    It's a fantastic scene from a fantastic show!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

    c3ed552d3c4cb74dcd4bbdf4f3eb1714.jpg

    Video is even better!


    If only Jon Hamm was a Brit, then he would have been an ideal Bond, IMO.
    Probably my favorite scene from that show.
    Glad I’m not the only one who loves that scene. :D

    It's a fantastic scene from a fantastic show!
    +1. Outstanding tv series in my opinion. The consistency of writing, characterizations, acting, casting and period setting was nothing short of extraordinary over seven seasons. I'm due a rewatch of the entire show soon.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,821
    bondjames wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The YOLT song comes very sweetly to the ears when you're feeling a bit down, sipping down some whiskey, smoking a cigarette, reflecting on some of the good decisions you could've made but didn't, yet you console yourself with the thought that life still goes on. Melancholic in a reminiscing way.
    I like that.
    This is the image that comes to mind when I think of that.

    c3ed552d3c4cb74dcd4bbdf4f3eb1714.jpg

    Video is even better!


    If only Jon Hamm was a Brit, then he would have been an ideal Bond, IMO.
    Probably my favorite scene from that show.
    Glad I’m not the only one who loves that scene. :D

    It's a fantastic scene from a fantastic show!
    +1. Outstanding tv series in my opinion. The consistency of writing, characterizations, acting, casting and period setting was nothing short of extraordinary over seven seasons. I'm due a rewatch of the entire show soon.

    Looking to rewatch all the seasons soon too. Mad Men is definitely one of my top three ever TV shows, and a real one of a kind.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2018 Posts: 6,390
    Controversial opinion: I wish Craig were doing three more Bond films. Middle-aged Bond, old Bond, retired Bond...I'd like to see him do it all.

    I'm going to miss him when he's gone. He's the best Bond actor we've had and he's irreplaceable.
  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    echo wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: I wish Craig were doing three more Bond films. Middle-aged Bond, old Bond, retired Bond...I'd like to see him do it all.

    I'm going to miss him when he's gone. He's the best Bond actor we've had and he's irreplaceable.

    I'd maybe nuance that if I could. I have tremendous faith in Craig, but I think the moment Connery and Moore were over the hill their films became rather cringe-inducing at times.

    So I'm not sure I want Craig as Bond too deep into his 50s, but I desperately wish he'd been able to churn out his films faster. If the next movie were to be his 6th or even 7th I'd be delighted.


  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    Agreed. I think Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan easily could have played Bond into their 50s and 60s.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,084
    Remington wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    Agreed. I think Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan easily could have played Bond into their 50s and 60s.

    Dalton would have had to wear a hairpiece.....
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,821
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    Agreed. I think Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan easily could have played Bond into their 50s and 60s.

    Dalton would have had to wear a hairpiece.....

    Would only have been the second one to do so!
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,058
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    Agreed. I think Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan easily could have played Bond into their 50s and 60s.

    Dalton would have had to wear a hairpiece.....

    The Balding Daylights
    Licence to Wig
  • RevelatorRevelator
    Posts: 2,922
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Would only have been the second one to do so!

    Third actually--Moore was using a small hairpiece, on the top of his head, by the time of A View to a Kill.

  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,821
    Revelator wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Would only have been the second one to do so!

    Third actually--Moore was using a small hairpiece, on the top of his head, by the time of A View to a Kill.

    Did not know that!
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    I agree. They’ve both aged quite well.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,226
    mattjoes wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    Agreed. I think Lazenby, Dalton, and Brosnan easily could have played Bond into their 50s and 60s.

    Dalton would have had to wear a hairpiece.....

    The Balding Daylights
    Licence to Wig

    Licence Receded.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,086
    Thunderbald.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,233
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    I'd say Connery aged the worst. at least during his Bond tenure. In YOLT he looks like a completely different man. In DAF he behaves like a completely different man too.

    The one who aged best overall I think was Roger Moore. Yes he was too old in AVTAK, even in FYEO to be honest, but before then he looked fine and younger than his age.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,602
    Ludovico wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    I'd say Connery aged the worst. at least during his Bond tenure. In YOLT he looks like a completely different man. In DAF he behaves like a completely different man too.

    The one who aged best overall I think was Roger Moore. Yes he was too old in AVTAK, even in FYEO to be honest, but before then he looked fine and younger than his age.

    I agree. Connery in TB and YOLT is like night and day. In DAF it doesn't even look like him in most areas. Except during his meet with Blofeld in the Whyte House.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    I'd say Connery aged the worst. at least during his Bond tenure. In YOLT he looks like a completely different man. In DAF he behaves like a completely different man too.

    The one who aged best overall I think was Roger Moore. Yes he was too old in AVTAK, even in FYEO to be honest, but before then he looked fine and younger than his age.

    I agree. Connery in TB and YOLT is like night and day. In DAF it doesn't even look like him in most areas. Except during his meet with Blofeld in the Whyte House.
    Physically I could perhaps agree about Connery, although to be honest I think a lot of it had to do with his weight, his toupee and his eyebrows. He looked much better later in life when he got those elements under control, so I don't think it was so much an age thing as a presentation thing with him. Plus he still had that youthful spark and humour in his later Bond films, so when I view YOLT & DAF he comes across like a younger man to me. He was never a grump.

    Moore always looked good for his age in general, and especially when he started (difficult to believe he was just 3 years younger than Brosnan in DAD and 4 years younger than Craig now when LALD was released). Again, like Connery he had that youthful spark to his personality which belied his years. By AVTAK he was past it though, at least imho.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Sean looked the most different as his films progressed. I'd say Pierce's appearance changed quickly as well. I remember thinking he looked heavier in TND, and by TWINE, with the shorter haircut looked considerably different from his GE debut.
    I'd agree that Roger aged the best, in spite of what many say about his AVTAK appearance. He always looked the elegant, suave, classy gentleman.
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
    Posts: 2,189
    Anyone seen this article from slashfilm.com?

    https://www.slashfilm.com/quantum-of-solace-defense/

    I happen to agree with it. SF and SP were huge let-downs for me, and looking back, QoS is better than both of them...
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,233
    bondjames wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    I'd say Connery aged the worst. at least during his Bond tenure. In YOLT he looks like a completely different man. In DAF he behaves like a completely different man too.

    The one who aged best overall I think was Roger Moore. Yes he was too old in AVTAK, even in FYEO to be honest, but before then he looked fine and younger than his age.

    I agree. Connery in TB and YOLT is like night and day. In DAF it doesn't even look like him in most areas. Except during his meet with Blofeld in the Whyte House.
    Physically I could perhaps agree about Connery, although to be honest I think a lot of it had to do with his weight, his toupee and his eyebrows. He looked much better later in life when he got those elements under control, so I don't think it was so much an age thing as a presentation thing with him. Plus he still had that youthful spark and humour in his later Bond films, so when I view YOLT & DAF he comes across like a younger man to me. He was never a grump.

    Moore always looked good for his age in general, and especially when he started (difficult to believe he was just 3 years younger than Brosnan in DAD and 4 years younger than Craig now when LALD was released). Again, like Connery he had that youthful spark to his personality which belied his years. By AVTAK he was past it though, at least imho.

    That's why I said Connery aged the worst during his tenure. He may have had a spark, but he came off as an out of shape middle aged man, not a believable operative.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I don t think any of them have aged particularly well.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2018 Posts: 11,189
    jobo wrote: »
    Per
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    YOLT was the first film where the story didn’t seem to matter very much. It was more the spectacle and escapism that took centre stage.

    I agree also that it seemed to be more aimed at children than adults. It has a bit of a Gerry Anderson vibe about it.

    I like Gilbert’s films quite a bit. They’re colorful, lively and demonstrate technical brilliance in a way that not many of the others did, but they all felt like they were aimed mainly at kids.

    Proof of the kids quote, Gilbert turned Jaws into a good guy because the fan letters said that Jaws should be goody not a baddie.


    Gilbert did that? Or the producers decided?

    Bond has always been run by comittee. I do have an issue with statements that give the director responsibility for all decisions, good or bad, unless there is concrete sources behind it.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »
    Related, and possibly not controversial:

    Pierce aged the best of the lot, and even looked like a credible agent in something like The November Man, filmed 20 years after GE.

    Second place is Dalton.

    I'd say Connery aged the worst. at least during his Bond tenure. In YOLT he looks like a completely different man. In DAF he behaves like a completely different man too.

    The one who aged best overall I think was Roger Moore. Yes he was too old in AVTAK, even in FYEO to be honest, but before then he looked fine and younger than his age.

    I agree. Connery in TB and YOLT is like night and day. In DAF it doesn't even look like him in most areas. Except during his meet with Blofeld in the Whyte House.
    Physically I could perhaps agree about Connery, although to be honest I think a lot of it had to do with his weight, his toupee and his eyebrows. He looked much better later in life when he got those elements under control, so I don't think it was so much an age thing as a presentation thing with him. Plus he still had that youthful spark and humour in his later Bond films, so when I view YOLT & DAF he comes across like a younger man to me. He was never a grump.

    Moore always looked good for his age in general, and especially when he started (difficult to believe he was just 3 years younger than Brosnan in DAD and 4 years younger than Craig now when LALD was released). Again, like Connery he had that youthful spark to his personality which belied his years. By AVTAK he was past it though, at least imho.

    That's why I said Connery aged the worst during his tenure. He may have had a spark, but he came off as an out of shape middle aged man, not a believable operative.

    I think Connery looked far more convincing as an ageing operative in The Rock than he did in his last few Bond films.

    Roger I think looked too "plastic" in AVTAK.

    Brosnan was too heavy in DAD

    Craig looks ok but tired.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,233
    Brosnan looked like he'd been forced fed in DAD.
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