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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    That's what I was thinking too as the most likely explanation but it's a badly written scene with too many things that don't make sense or aren't explained adequately. It's like they had the rough overall story they wanted to tell but they didn't have the wherewithal to tell it coherently.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I think it's one of those Bond moments that we're not supposed to overthink.
    It makes no sense whatsoever, and is obviously played for a laugh. But to us Bond fans that like to view and review and review over and over. It makes little sense.
    Does Ouromov have a blank round? Does he have a loaded gun that he fires away from OO6? It's overlooked but does it need to be explained?
    The story is set up for us to believe that Bond's colleague is dead. If we know it's a blank then it doesn't work. Same if we know that Ouromov missed on purpose. It's one of those moments where we just have to make our own minds up on what happened.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    This has probably been talked about before. So we all know in GE Trevalyan faked his death. So I assume the bullets that Orumov used in his gun were blanks. If they were blanks used on Trevalyan were they blanks used on that guard who Orumov killed who shot at Bond?

    Yes indeed, it has been talked before! I think no matter how you look at it, it doesn't make sense! :D My take is that maybe his gun was loaded with real bullets, but he shot to the left side of Alec's head - making it look like he shot at his head to Bond. But even if that's right, when did they come to their little agreement? In the couple of seconds that Alec is out of Bond's sight? Otherwise, if they both want Bond to die, why didn't Alec just shoot him the second he saw him?
    I guess it being a private arrangement between Alec and Ouromov (and not between Alec and the Russian Army- so he wanted to avoid them) kind of explains it... but not really :D

    I guess it's up there with 'how come Bond keeps going down under that dam to get into the Russian complex but ends up on top of a cliff?' :D

    Like @Benny stated, definitely a poorly written PTS that's not meant to be over-analyzed, but a thought I've always had is perhaps Bond isn't instantly killed because they almost want to let him escape; if so, he can report that Trevelyan died a hero's death and he'll soon be forgotten, giving him the proper anonymity and time to work on his doomsday heist with the satellite. If Bond is killed and discovered later on with Alec not alongside him, it could raise big questions or launch some sort of investigation into his disappearance. With him "dead," his file is officially closed.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.

    Not that I'm aware of. Perhaps that could be the next thing we do in the statistics thread.

    What's the deal with that Daniel Craig Bond documentary with bits of his Casino Royale screentest? I was quite excited about that one.
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    @PropertyOfALady It will probably be released around NTTD (if getting a theatrical showing) or will be on the blu-ray special features.
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
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    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.

    The Little Nellie action music is the track entitled "007" (last heard in Moonraker during the boat chase).
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.
    The Little Nellie action music is the track entitled "007" (last heard in Moonraker during the boat chase).

    Well the aircraft takes off to "007", and "The James Bond Theme" takes over during the helicopter attack.

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.
    The Little Nellie action music is the track entitled "007" (last heard in Moonraker during the boat chase).

    Well the aircraft takes off to "007", and "The James Bond Theme" takes over during the helicopter attack.

    I'm sure it's the Bond Theme when the action kicks in because I always think that this track should be shortened there: it takes away all the tension.
    But I forgot that 007 plays before the Bond Theme. That's good trivia. I don't think this happens in any other movie?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 2021 Posts: 40,968
    I can't remember if it's outlined in the novel but in TB, would they have spared Angelo had he not been greedy and requested $250,000 instead of the $100,000, or was his fate inevitable either way? He was expendable after that point so my money's on the latter. Then again, Blofeld's later comments do seem to indicate that's why he was killed.
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    My read on it is that she is trying to protect Bond by forcing him out of the tournament, and have Le Chiffre win the money and thus fulfil what she sees as “her end of the bargain” and have them release her boyfriend. Of course, is was never as simple as that, but she didnt know it.

    Things get more complicated when Bond buys back in via other methods, wins, and she starts to fall for him. Hence the deal to hand over the money, and knowing “she was going to her death”.

    This is probably the best explanation.

    That's pretty much how I understood it from my first viewing.
    Benny wrote: »
    I think it's one of those Bond moments that we're not supposed to overthink.
    It makes no sense whatsoever, and is obviously played for a laugh. But to us Bond fans that like to view and review and review over and over. It makes little sense.
    Does Ouromov have a blank round? Does he have a loaded gun that he fires away from OO6? It's overlooked but does it need to be explained?
    The story is set up for us to believe that Bond's colleague is dead. If we know it's a blank then it doesn't work. Same if we know that Ouromov missed on purpose. It's one of those moments where we just have to make our own minds up on what happened.

    This. And do we know if the novelization said anything about it, she'd any sort of light? I always thought Trevelyan's betrayal had long been prepared.

    Question about FYEO: can someone explain to me the hockey team thing? How was it supposed to work?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2021 Posts: 16,383
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    That's not an explanation though, as when did he decide to put a blank in and why? And also if you put a gun to someone's head and fire a blank, you'll kill them.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    This has probably been talked about before. So we all know in GE Trevalyan faked his death. So I assume the bullets that Orumov used in his gun were blanks. If they were blanks used on Trevalyan were they blanks used on that guard who Orumov killed who shot at Bond?

    Yes indeed, it has been talked before! I think no matter how you look at it, it doesn't make sense! :D My take is that maybe his gun was loaded with real bullets, but he shot to the left side of Alec's head - making it look like he shot at his head to Bond. But even if that's right, when did they come to their little agreement? In the couple of seconds that Alec is out of Bond's sight? Otherwise, if they both want Bond to die, why didn't Alec just shoot him the second he saw him?
    I guess it being a private arrangement between Alec and Ouromov (and not between Alec and the Russian Army- so he wanted to avoid them) kind of explains it... but not really :D

    I guess it's up there with 'how come Bond keeps going down under that dam to get into the Russian complex but ends up on top of a cliff?' :D

    Like @Benny stated, definitely a poorly written PTS that's not meant to be over-analyzed, but a thought I've always had is perhaps Bond isn't instantly killed because they almost want to let him escape; if so, he can report that Trevelyan died a hero's death and he'll soon be forgotten, giving him the proper anonymity and time to work on his doomsday heist with the satellite. If Bond is killed and discovered later on with Alec not alongside him, it could raise big questions or launch some sort of investigation into his disappearance. With him "dead," his file is officially closed.

    So why are they trying to kill him? They do all seem to be shooting at him a lot, and he does have to skydive off a cliff to get away, which doesn't suggest they were letting him go :)
    Basically it doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it! :D
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.

    Here's a YT video someone made of every appearance of the Bond theme in the movies:

    Ludovico wrote: »
    Question about FYEO: can someone explain to me the hockey team thing? How was it supposed to work?

    And who's doing the scoring? :D
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 2,917
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I can't remember if it's outlined in the novel but in TB, would they have spared Angelo had he not been greedy and requested $250,000 instead of the $100,000, or was his fate inevitable either way?

    In the book Petacchi agrees to "receive $1,000,000, a new passport in any name and nationality he chose, and immediate onward passage from the point of delivery to Rio de Janeiro" in exchange for hijacking the plane. He doesn't raise his price but Spectre kills him anyway. It would have been foolish under any circumstances to let Petacchi live. As the old saying goes, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    mtm wrote: »
    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.

    Here's a YT video someone made of every appearance of the Bond theme in the movies:


    I really struggle to hear the theme in some of these like TLD. What part of theme is at 1:08:46?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I can't remember if it's outlined in the novel but in TB, would they have spared Angelo had he not been greedy and requested $250,000 instead of the $100,000, or was his fate inevitable either way?

    In the book Petacchi agrees to "receive $1,000,000, a new passport in any name and nationality he chose, and immediate onward passage from the point of delivery to Rio de Janeiro" in exchange for hijacking the plane. He doesn't raise his price but Spectre kills him anyway. It would have been foolish under any circumstances to let Petacchi live. As the old saying goes, two can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

    Very good point. That's what I figured; why let him live? Just one more mouth that could spill the beans or betray SPECTRE's mission. You'd think they'd learn after a while.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited August 2021 Posts: 1,711
    So I'm not expecting an in-universe explanation here, but why did the filmmakers think the audience would believe that Bond could quickly draw a photo-realistic picture of Magda's octopus tattoo? It happens like it's the most normal thing in tht world. I think it might be the strangest thing in the series.
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    @ProfJoeButcher Bond draws a perfect picture of Blofeld’s diamond satellite in DAF. Must be another one of his excellent skills 🤣
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    Except that, as I explained many times here and in other places, that's impossible. A blank doesn't have enough pressure to push the slide back. In order for this to happen, you have to use a blank plug, either external (like the ones used during military training) or internal (like in most semi-automatic pistols or SMG and MG in movies. And if you use a blank plug, there is no way the gun won't explode. So, my best guess is that Orumov only shot blanks, that the guard he shot was in on the joke, and so was 006, because everything had been planned in advance, before the mission took place. But once again, you don't mix real ammo with blanks inside an automatic weapon (in a revolver, on the other hand, it's quite possible). How do I know that ? It was covered in basic training during my national service (one year in a french transmission regiment in Germany, if you must know).
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Simpler explanation: Ourumov knew Lazar.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Simpler explanation: Ourumov knew Lazar.

    Now that's good. :))
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Gerard wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    Except that, as I explained many times here and in other places, that's impossible. A blank doesn't have enough pressure to push the slide back. In order for this to happen, you have to use a blank plug, either external (like the ones used during military training) or internal (like in most semi-automatic pistols or SMG and MG in movies. And if you use a blank plug, there is no way the gun won't explode. So, my best guess is that Orumov only shot blanks, that the guard he shot was in on the joke, and so was 006, because everything had been planned in advance, before the mission took place. But once again, you don't mix real ammo with blanks inside an automatic weapon (in a revolver, on the other hand, it's quite possible). How do I know that ? It was covered in basic training during my national service (one year in a french transmission regiment in Germany, if you must know).

    Thanks that’s interesting. I’m confused by blank plugs though: they can’t make the guns explode every time surely? They would be a useless invention..?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited August 2021 Posts: 13,789
    mtm wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    Except that, as I explained many times here and in other places, that's impossible. A blank doesn't have enough pressure to push the slide back. In order for this to happen, you have to use a blank plug, either external (like the ones used during military training) or internal (like in most semi-automatic pistols or SMG and MG in movies. And if you use a blank plug, there is no way the gun won't explode. So, my best guess is that Orumov only shot blanks, that the guard he shot was in on the joke, and so was 006, because everything had been planned in advance, before the mission took place. But once again, you don't mix real ammo with blanks inside an automatic weapon (in a revolver, on the other hand, it's quite possible). How do I know that ? It was covered in basic training during my national service (one year in a french transmission regiment in Germany, if you must know).

    Thanks that’s interesting. I’m confused by blank plugs though: they can’t make the guns explode every time surely? They would be a useless invention..?
    So a blank plug (or blank adapter) tightly closes off the barrel of a real firearm. Then when a blank is fired the pressure channeled down the barrel must reverse, pushing back the slide/ejecting a round/chambering another blank round.

    I believe the point made was you can't follow a blank with a live round, shooting down the blocked barrel is disastrous.

    Dragonpol wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simpler explanation: Ourumov knew Lazar.

    Now that's good. :))
    Or Dr. Kaufman. He had his proteges.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2021 Posts: 18,270
    mtm wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    Except that, as I explained many times here and in other places, that's impossible. A blank doesn't have enough pressure to push the slide back. In order for this to happen, you have to use a blank plug, either external (like the ones used during military training) or internal (like in most semi-automatic pistols or SMG and MG in movies. And if you use a blank plug, there is no way the gun won't explode. So, my best guess is that Orumov only shot blanks, that the guard he shot was in on the joke, and so was 006, because everything had been planned in advance, before the mission took place. But once again, you don't mix real ammo with blanks inside an automatic weapon (in a revolver, on the other hand, it's quite possible). How do I know that ? It was covered in basic training during my national service (one year in a french transmission regiment in Germany, if you must know).

    Thanks that’s interesting. I’m confused by blank plugs though: they can’t make the guns explode every time surely? They would be a useless invention..?
    So a blank plug (or blank adapter) tightly closes off the barrel of a real firearm. Then when a blank is fired the pressure channeled down the barrel must reverse, pushing back the slide/ejecting a round/chambering another blank round.

    I believe the point made was you can't follow a blank with a live round, shooting down the blocked barrel is disastrous.

    Dragonpol wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simpler explanation: Ourumov knew Lazar.

    Now that's good. :))
    Or Dr. Kaufman. He had his proteges.

    Nah. It couldn't have been him. Dr Kaufman could've shot Trevelyan from Stuttgart and still have created the proper effect. So why travel to Russia? ;)
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited August 2021 Posts: 4,483
    Thanks a lot for the link to the Bond themes video @mtm
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.

    Here's a YT video someone made of every appearance of the Bond theme in the movies:


    I really struggle to hear the theme in some of these like TLD. What part of theme is at 1:08:46?

    Yeah I can't quite work that one out. Is it based on the Bond vamp maybe?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    Except that, as I explained many times here and in other places, that's impossible. A blank doesn't have enough pressure to push the slide back. In order for this to happen, you have to use a blank plug, either external (like the ones used during military training) or internal (like in most semi-automatic pistols or SMG and MG in movies. And if you use a blank plug, there is no way the gun won't explode. So, my best guess is that Orumov only shot blanks, that the guard he shot was in on the joke, and so was 006, because everything had been planned in advance, before the mission took place. But once again, you don't mix real ammo with blanks inside an automatic weapon (in a revolver, on the other hand, it's quite possible). How do I know that ? It was covered in basic training during my national service (one year in a french transmission regiment in Germany, if you must know).

    Thanks that’s interesting. I’m confused by blank plugs though: they can’t make the guns explode every time surely? They would be a useless invention..?
    So a blank plug (or blank adapter) tightly closes off the barrel of a real firearm. Then when a blank is fired the pressure channeled down the barrel must reverse, pushing back the slide/ejecting a round/chambering another blank round.

    I believe the point made was you can't follow a blank with a live round, shooting down the blocked barrel is disastrous.

    Dragonpol wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simpler explanation: Ourumov knew Lazar.

    Now that's good. :))
    Or Dr. Kaufman. He had his proteges.

    Nah. It couldn't have been him. Dr Kaufman could've shot Trevelyan from Stuttgart and still have created the proper effect. So why travel to Russia? ;)
    Just acknowledging the possibilities, @Dragonpol.

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2021 Posts: 18,270
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Gerard wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simplest explanation - one blank in the chamber.

    Except that, as I explained many times here and in other places, that's impossible. A blank doesn't have enough pressure to push the slide back. In order for this to happen, you have to use a blank plug, either external (like the ones used during military training) or internal (like in most semi-automatic pistols or SMG and MG in movies. And if you use a blank plug, there is no way the gun won't explode. So, my best guess is that Orumov only shot blanks, that the guard he shot was in on the joke, and so was 006, because everything had been planned in advance, before the mission took place. But once again, you don't mix real ammo with blanks inside an automatic weapon (in a revolver, on the other hand, it's quite possible). How do I know that ? It was covered in basic training during my national service (one year in a french transmission regiment in Germany, if you must know).

    Thanks that’s interesting. I’m confused by blank plugs though: they can’t make the guns explode every time surely? They would be a useless invention..?
    So a blank plug (or blank adapter) tightly closes off the barrel of a real firearm. Then when a blank is fired the pressure channeled down the barrel must reverse, pushing back the slide/ejecting a round/chambering another blank round.

    I believe the point made was you can't follow a blank with a live round, shooting down the blocked barrel is disastrous.

    Dragonpol wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    Simpler explanation: Ourumov knew Lazar.

    Now that's good. :))
    Or Dr. Kaufman. He had his proteges.

    Nah. It couldn't have been him. Dr Kaufman could've shot Trevelyan from Stuttgart and still have created the proper effect. So why travel to Russia? ;)
    Just acknowledging the possibilities, @Dragonpol.

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    Ah, yes. That's quite true. And it seems he schooled him well! Herr Doktor Kaufman should be proud of his creation. :)
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Do we have a list somewhere of the scenes where we here the Bond theme? Not only a few notes but the whole Bond melody? Like the ones in the hotel room (FRWL) or during the Little Nellie action.

    Here's a YT video someone made of every appearance of the Bond theme in the movies:


    I really struggle to hear the theme in some of these like TLD. What part of theme is at 1:08:46?

    Yeah I can't quite work that one out. Is it based on the Bond vamp maybe?

    I don't hear it either, neither melodically nor harmonically.
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