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I also happen to think that Dalton locked the most "Bondian" but I was talking about the figure.
Flemings Bond is quite a toothpick in the novels, trained but still. Pierce in GE fits that description quite well in my eyes.
If that happened then,as with last time,i will always back the official EON Bond,so I would be firmly in the Daniel Craig camp.
Of the two films we've had in 1983, in my opinion Never Say Never Again is superior to Octopussy in a fair amount of distance.
Eeeeeh are you mad ??!!
Benster ,can you believe this ?? @Benny
OP = Sounds better, but is awfully depicted, imo.
Blasphemy !!!!
I don't slam any Bond,but if I was forced to ,it would be Dalton.
Oh I knew that,no problem.
I also spend my time defending those 2 Bonds in particular ;)
Well, truth to be told, it's the cinematography and that cheap TV movie look about the film that bothers me most. Otherwise, I've no problem with the acting or the plot. I also love General Orlov a lot as a villain. He was the Ourumov prototype.
That's interesting because I feel the same way about NSNA ,re the cheap TV look...
With OP I love the Indian scenes and the Monsoon palace,Kamal,Orlov ,Mishka & Grishka and Gobinda,and Barry's score is brilliant.
(Mind you,i will always defend OP as it is the first Bond film I saw at the cinema,so its my personal Bond film.)
Interesting. The thing is, NSNA was a remake of TB, so it had a very good blueprint to work off (and it managed to make itself look like a piss-poor copy of the original). OP at least runs with an original story that happens to be plausible and genuinely threatening. I also enjoy the action more in OP, with the non-stop top-notch stunts. Plus, they avoid doing the cliche "invincible henchman" thing that NSNA does with Count Lippe; the fight's funny but terrible. And the chemistry was just so much better in OP in my opinion.
Can't agree with you NSNA looking better, though. The "cheap TV movie look" you claim OP has is exactly what I think of NSNA, actually.
As for sounding better, no doubt. Barry's score in OP isn't one of his best but easily tops NSNA. And the theme song contest goes to OP in a landslide also. The only area that I find NSNA compares to OP in is the humour.
What a dream scenario!
I've got to disagree about Barry, though. In my opinion, OP is his most tired score I really can't memorize a musical cue about it, whereas in AVTAK and the rest of the Moore films he did, those do have specific tracks I could recite. Just me, though.
There's no shadow of doubt TB is light years and thousands of galaxies far better than NSNA. TB is James Bond Extravaganza at its very best. However, I've got to disagree with you about the strong henchman cliche. I actually like that aspect about the Bond films. OP did have that sort of henchman with Gobinda, though. He recreates that famous Oddjob crushing a villain's cheating instrument in his hand. He was invincible alright, it's just that Bond didn't allow himself to be captured by him. Otherwise, he knocked him out with one judo chop on the neck in that hotel scene.
I also agree that OP handles the action better. It's the cinematography that lets it down. For me, at least.
NSNA's soundtrack wasn't meant to be a Bond soundtrack, to tell you the truth. I mean, Michel Legrand obviously could have used the guitar riff trick and the fanfare to create a generic Bond-like spy theme, but they all chose not to. I feel like, as Connery also had a say in the matter who also brought Legrand in by himself, the composer recreated the feel of his 1968 film, The Thomas Crown Affair (and the film surely has that spirit if you compare the two) as Connery awfully regretted turning the latter down back then. NSNA was two birds with a stone for Connery.
Regarding the locations, I find myself loving the sunny French Riviera and the seaside more than oriental or cloudy industrial European locales. So, that also has to have an impact on me, perhaps.
Saw NSNA again a few weeks ago on TV. It's got it's moments but its a fairly dull film and looks considerably less glamorous than the Eon counterparts.
I remember I hated it when I first saw it in its entirety a few years ago. In fact I stuck GE on afterwards as an antidote.
I could easily swing for a hypothetical rogue Brozza comeback (I can't believe I just wrote that!) if the official entry were a follow on story from SP and if the rogue entry featured Dench and Samantha Bond.
I dont think,(and i would be disgusted if she did) that Dame Judi would betray the official series,or Samantha for that matter.
Or do you mean Brosnan replacing Craig in the EON canon rather than a direct rival ? (Which would never happen).
As I've said many times before, my loyalties are to the character and the character only, so I wouldn't care who made it as long as it was half decent. I'd go for the one I preferred. In the past it would have been different due to the legendary team involved.
Anyway, my original premise wasn't that a hypothetical Brozza film would be a rogue entry, but rather another official entry, just distributed by Amazon.
The Brozza works in mysterious ways.
Like @bondjames, however, my loyalty is to the character and the plot that captures my liking. I would welcome yet another Brosnan entry set 15 years after the events of his latest appearance.
@ClarkDevlin +1 on your point about Bond showing emotion.
On the other hand, the first Lord of the Rings film was also made in 2001 - an example of how to do GOOD CG.
Regarding the beach scene, i do like the music but it is a bit too "on the nose" in terms of its dialogue.
"How can you act like this? How can you be so cold?"
What I find a little unforgivable is that the producers didn't realize that Bond films are renown for doing things for real. It's part of what makes the series so special. The fact that I knew that in 2002 and they apparently didn't is somewhat shocking. Surely they could have put Tamahori in check. The same goes for some of the visual effects in the PTS of SP, which are comparably bad by today's standards. I realize series like Kingsman are taking CGI based action to new levels, but I seriously hope that the producers don't feel the need/pressure to amp it up to compete. That is not the space where Bond should go imho.
Perhaps I'm just getting old. Have you noticed that as we age we inevitably criticize newer music as not being up to the same standards as the past. I've noticed that with every generation. Perhaps it's the same with films.