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The TIMOTHY DALTON Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.

    ClarkDevlin is not wrong.
    Given that the Dalton movies were not period pieces, he was styled as a man with Bond’s sensibilities would have done at that point in history.
    Smart but louche and slightly disheveled. That would have been the hallmark of Bond transposed to any era.
    Connery captured it to an extent. Sir Roger was on safari. Brosnan looked like he’d just stepped off a Zegna fashion shoot and Craig looks like a muscle bound Russian thug. It was Dalton that nailed the look big time.

    I've always thought the scene of Bond on the tram, staring at Kara - his mission - but also sort of through her, as if just disenfranchised with everything, to be the pinnacle of adapting the character of Bond from the books.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.

    ClarkDevlin is not wrong.
    Given that the Dalton movies were not period pieces, he was styled as a man with Bond’s sensibilities would have done at that point in history.
    Smart but louche and slightly disheveled. That would have been the hallmark of Bond transposed to any era.
    Connery captured it to an extent. Sir Roger was on safari. Brosnan looked like he’d just stepped off a Zegna fashion shoot and Craig looks like a muscle bound Russian thug. It was Dalton that nailed the look big time.

    I've always thought the scene of Bond on the tram, staring at Kara - his mission - but also sort of through her, as if just disenfranchised with everything, to be the pinnacle of adapting the character of Bond from the books.

    YES!!!!! Dalton was obsessed with getting Bond right!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2018 Posts: 15,423
    There. Fixed. ;)

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    @Murdock, what's the verdict?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @ClarkDevlin, much better hairdo. Excellent work. :-bd
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Fixed the lapels, too.

    And thanks! :D
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    You're welcome. :)
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.

    ClarkDevlin is not wrong.
    Given that the Dalton movies were not period pieces, he was styled as a man with Bond’s sensibilities would have done at that point in history.
    Smart but louche and slightly disheveled. That would have been the hallmark of Bond transposed to any era.
    Connery captured it to an extent. Sir Roger was on safari. Brosnan looked like he’d just stepped off a Zegna fashion shoot and Craig looks like a muscle bound Russian thug. It was Dalton that nailed the look big time.

    I've always thought the scene of Bond on the tram, staring at Kara - his mission - but also sort of through her, as if just disenfranchised with everything, to be the pinnacle of adapting the character of Bond from the books.

    YES!!!!! Dalton was obsessed with getting Bond right!

    He's just so good. More than any of the others I really buy him as a spy. I think he conveys so much experience and world weariness in just how he delivers certain lines. Connery, Moore and Craig and Brosnan might have looked older by the end of their runs, but none of them really managed to get across that they'd been at this for years in the same way Dalton did imo. I think this is partly because of how brisk, to the point and badass he is, but also because you can see how all those missions have taken their toll on him. He was just perfect. I love them all but when I think James Bond I still think Dalton.

    I need to watch his two again actually. It's been a while.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    StirredNotShaken wrote: »
    PussyNoMore wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Tim's haircut in TLD did have many callbacks to the Bond novels, though.

    kOcW7lc.jpg

    This shot particularly has that Carmicheal-esque vibes to it with an 80s spin. It screams literary Bond here to me, at least.

    ClarkDevlin is not wrong.
    Given that the Dalton movies were not period pieces, he was styled as a man with Bond’s sensibilities would have done at that point in history.
    Smart but louche and slightly disheveled. That would have been the hallmark of Bond transposed to any era.
    Connery captured it to an extent. Sir Roger was on safari. Brosnan looked like he’d just stepped off a Zegna fashion shoot and Craig looks like a muscle bound Russian thug. It was Dalton that nailed the look big time.

    I've always thought the scene of Bond on the tram, staring at Kara - his mission - but also sort of through her, as if just disenfranchised with everything, to be the pinnacle of adapting the character of Bond from the books.
    Superb observation.

    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    There. Fixed. ;)

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    Cool!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    There. Fixed. ;)

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    @Murdock, what's the verdict?

    I don't have a problem with Dalton's hair in LTK (other than in the casino scene), but his hair in TLD looks as Bonds hair should, even with the comma. His TLD hairstyle suits his classically handsome, byronic looks.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    There. Fixed. ;)

    p26pcjf.png

    @Murdock, what's the verdict?

    I don't have a problem with Dalton's hair in LTK (other than in the casino scene), but his hair in TLD looks as Bonds hair should, even with the comma. His TLD hairstyle suits his classically handsome, byronic looks.
    Too true, Major. Too true.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    There. Fixed. ;)

    p26pcjf.png

    @Murdock, what's the verdict?

    I don't have a problem with Dalton's hair in LTK (other than in the casino scene), but his hair in TLD looks as Bonds hair should, even with the comma. His TLD hairstyle suits his classically handsome, byronic looks.
    Too true, Major. Too true.

    @MajorDSmythe is quite mad, you know? Quite mad. ;)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    NicNac wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    There. Fixed. ;)

    p26pcjf.png

    @Murdock, what's the verdict?

    I don't have a problem with Dalton's hair in LTK (other than in the casino scene), but his hair in TLD looks as Bonds hair should, even with the comma. His TLD hairstyle suits his classically handsome, byronic looks.
    Too true, Major. Too true.

    @MajorDSmythe is quite mad, you know? Quite mad. ;)

    I'll have you know that I am not quite mad, I am incurably mad.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Ah.... if only we'd had more Dalton.

    It would have been great to see him age in the role as well. Such a shame there wasn't the appetite back then for exploring that more beaten up and world weary dimension of Bond.

    Dalton's third was going to be more light hearted and that's understandable but it would also have been great to see them taking him one step further than in LTK towards the dark side.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    There. Fixed. ;)

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    @Murdock, what's the verdict?

    There's still something off about his hair. I tried to fix it.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Nicely done!
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    YES. Nailed it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Very well done! Ah man, you've made a Dalton fan happy. :)
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Ah.... if only we'd had more Dalton.

    It would have been great to see him age in the role as well. Such a shame there wasn't the appetite back then for exploring that more beaten up and world weary dimension of Bond.

    Dalton's third was going to be more light hearted and that's understandable but it would also have been great to see them taking him one step further than in LTK towards the dark side.

    It's crap we didn't get more of him but at least we got LTK. TLD is brilliant as well (my two favourites), but there are still some Moore hangovers there. LTK is 100% Dalton. It's a shame we didn't get more films with him but at least he got the chance to make 'his' Bond film, one that was tailored to him. Dark, violent, bits of Fleming in there. It all lined up really well with how he thought the character should be, so I reckon he was pretty happy.

    And in a way we did see him evolve, just over a really short concise period. In TLD he's world weary and burnt out, then in LTK he actually snaps and goes on a rampage. Considering he only had two films, he got the chance to explore his version of Bond pretty well imo. His era is short but sweet and I'd have loved more, but as it stands I don't think it actually feels like it was cut too short. He got to finish what he started in a way, so I'm pretty content with what we got. A perfect duo of films.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Dalton also got to finish off the original run of Bond films.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited June 2018 Posts: 12,837
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Dalton also got to finish off the original run of Bond films.

    True. I think GE was exactly what the series needed and I love how fresh and modern it felt but it was basically a reboot, it wasn't the same as Connery - Dalton. Not saying that was a bad thing, I think it was necessary, but LTK really was the end of an era. So I think it's nice they finished off the original run on such a high.
  • RevelatorRevelator
    edited June 2018 Posts: 2,918
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Dalton also got to finish off the original run of Bond films.

    yes, LTK is really the last of the original series: the last film actually produced by Cubby, the last to feature Maibaum and Binder and others from the old crew.
    After the series rebooted Desmond Llewellyn was the only one with a link to the very first Bond films.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes indeed, you both put it well. The Brosnan era is as much self-contained as the Craig era seems to be, take it or leave it. I leave it.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Yes indeed, you both put it well. The Brosnan era is as much self-contained as the Craig era seems to be, take it or leave it. I leave it.

    I guess you still have Desmond but that just felt like a bit of an awkward hangover more than anything. Glad they bought him back though. I love his exit in TWINE and I love how visibly happy and excited Brosnan is sharing scenes with him.
  • Escalus5Escalus5
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    Probably my favorite badass Dalton moment is in LTK, when he sees Sharkey's dead body. Enraged, he turns to Lupe and says, "You'd better find yourself a new lover." And you absolutely believe he's going to kill Sanchez and anyone who works for the bastard.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Dalton also got to finish off the original run of Bond films.

    True. I think GE was exactly what the series needed and I love how fresh and modern it felt but it was basically a reboot, it wasn't the same as Connery - Dalton. Not saying that was a bad thing, I think it was necessary, but LTK really was the end of an era. So I think it's nice they finished off the original run on such a high.

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Probably my favorite badass Dalton moment is in LTK, when he sees Sharkey's dead body. Enraged, he turns to Lupe and says, "You'd better find yourself a new lover." And you absolutely believe he's going to kill Sanchez and anyone who works for the bastard.

    I love that too. Totally convincing.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited June 2018 Posts: 11,189
    As menacing as Dalton is in LTK I don't think he's half as scary as Del-Toro. That man is terrifying.

    He's even better in Sicario. (SPOILERS)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The Del Toro of today is definitely different from the Del Toro of that day.

    After the 90s, Del Toro has really become a menacing force. Thing is, I'd love him to be a villain opposite Craig. Imagine those going toe to toe with one another.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    As long as it s better than his Star Wars role.
  • CraterGunsCraterGuns
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    Has anyone ever photoshopped Dalton's head (LTK casino scenes) onto Christopher Lee's body from the Hammer Dracula films?

    ...Because Dalton would've made a great Count Dracula.
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