The TIMOTHY DALTON Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    CraterGuns wrote: »
    Has anyone ever photoshopped Dalton's head (LTK casino scenes) onto Christopher Lee's body from the Hammer Dracula films?

    ...Because Dalton would've made a great Count Dracula.

    I've thought that for years.
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    I wonder if Tim was ever approached for Dracula, either for a film or stage?
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    As long as it s better than his Star Wars role.

    I’m surprised/disappointed that Dalton has never been cast in any of the other big franchises.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    As long as it s better than his Star Wars role.

    I’m surprised/disappointed that Dalton has never been cast in any of the other big franchises.

    It was rumoured that he was considered for the role of Alfred, Bruce Wayne s butler.
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    Nolan is a fan? I'm assuming Simon Pegg is.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Nolan is a fan?

    This was for Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Nolan is a fan? I'm assuming Simon Pegg is.

    There was some sort of documentary on Sky around the time of the 50th where Simon Pegg said Dalton was his favourite, iirc.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    They were in Hot Fuzz together. Maybe some collegial courtesy arose from that. ;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited June 2018 Posts: 9,509
    I suppose this is as good a place as any to pass along an interesting story about LTK (and the wild and bizarre things that go on behind the scenes):

    This morning I was having a chat with @ColonelSun, and I asked:

    not that this has bothered me as it has some of the Mi6 contributors-- infact it doesn't bother me-- but I am curious why that slo-mo shot was done in the PTS? Especially since it's never used again in the film.

    Do you re-call what the thinking was behind this choice?

    And Colonel Sun replied:

    Yes, the black DEA guy was an American athlete and EoN thought it would be funny to play Chariots of Fire as he ran towards the plane,
    hence the slow motion.

    We all hated the idea and argued that was Roger Moore humour and not fitting for Dalton, so the Chariots music - which they were
    planning to spend a ton on - was dropped. Thank God!

    Me:

    Holy shit! Saved one there. That's ridiculous! What was EoN smoking??

    I actually like Kamen's music during the slo-mo. But my god, Chariot's of Fire? That would have been tonally from another universe. It would've taken us all out of the picture, and after the gag, would have taken us precious seconds to get back into it.

    We probably would have missed Dalton's great reaction shot when his hat is shot out of his lap (Dalton was always good at those reaction shots-- the doves in TLD (at the beginning and the end), the hat from LTK, the gun pressed to his head at Krest's marina... he was amazing with these "in the moment" reactions...).

    Wow, never in a million years would I have guessed that that slo-mo shot had such an alternative reasoning behind it, and what could have been...

    Colonel Sun:

    Yes, we actually put the music in the first cut and Dalton saw it, and to our surprise, he heartily laughed, but we
    figured he was being polite. It was dumped after that screening. EoN, to be fair, knew it was a mistake - I suspect
    Eon - perhaps Cubby - were still worried that Dalton lacked lightness and humour.

    U can let Mi6 know that's why.

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    That's so interesting Peter, thanks for sharing, is Colonel Sun an assistant editor on Licence to Kill, by any chance? That is so neat, and a bullet dodged to be splendidly sure, I have a question about the movie, did Michael Kamen record not enough music for the film or then why was almost all of his cues used twice in the film? That is and was very unusual for a big budget film, it subinimally adds to the TV feeling of the film for me sadly. Please.
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    That is good stuff and a reason I enjoy going to sites like this.

    I still recall hearing "California Girls" on the AVTAK soundtrack the first time I saw it and wondered, as it was at a cinema with two screens, if there was a mistake with the soundtrack of another film bleeding through.

    Tonally, this would have been the worst, most out-of-place thing in the series had it stood. It sounds like something they'd do at a wrap party for amusement along with the bloopers like the famous ones from Star Trek TOS.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @IGUANNA :

    From @ColonelSun:

    No, Kamen's cues were not reused. Kamen simply kept to the themes. The Music editor did however shift some of his music cues around
    to work better, for example, if you watch the pre-titles seq, when Bond shows Leiter the ring in the back of the car, Kamen did a little sting, but
    then the scored cut to the exterior helicopter didn't fit/work so well, so the sting was shifted down about half a second, and if u watch the scene,
    you see the sting comes a beat after Bond has revealed the ring, not on the actual moment.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    I hate that slow motion shot but it sounds like we really dodged a bullet.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Reposting this here as well.
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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Reposting this here as well.
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    I love it!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I want to see that film.
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    I met someone over the weekend who is friends with one of the McClory family lawyers. I was hoping he’d have some great inside info but nada...

    All I found out was that K McClory obsessively recorded all his phone calls. And I got some brief description of McClory’s son sitting down with EON for negotiations which I assume must have been around the time they sold the Blofeld and TB rights. Will see if I can get something more substantial next time.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Will see if I can get something more substantial next time.

    Get 'em drunk. That should do it.
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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Will see if I can get something more substantial next time.

    Get 'em drunk. That should do it.

    That's my #1 tactic as well,gal !!
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Saw this on Twitter via @Dalton_Fishers and thought it was neat-O:

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    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Saw this on Twitter via @Dalton_Fishers and thought it was neat-O:


    That looks like the late great comedian Dave Allen?!!!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Saw this on Twitter via @Dalton_Fishers and thought it was neat-O:


    That looks like the late great comedian Dave Allen?!!!

    It does. Only the glass is missing.
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Agent_99 wrote: »
    Saw this on Twitter via @Dalton_Fishers and thought it was neat-O:


    That looks like the late great comedian Dave Allen?!!!

    It does. Only the glass is missing.

    Lol! Also a bit like Scott Bakula!!!! Lol!
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Lol! Also a bit like Scott Bakula!!!! Lol!

    I am also very fond of Scott Bakula, so that's a win/win! (I have a definite Type, yes.)
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Reading Some Kind Of Hero, the book mentions how Timothy Dalton was considered for On Her Majesty's Secret Service because of his performance in The Lion In Winter - his movie debut.

    Well, considering The Lion In Winter was released on October 30th 1968, 9 days after Lazenby began shooting his Bond film, and several months after Lazenby was introduced to the press, well I do think this myth needs to be put to rest.

    I believe in fact that when Dalton said he was approached after Connery quit, he meant in 1972 after Connery quit for the second time. That makes perfect sense. Its a shame writers make assumptions, and before you know it these are facts and ingrained in the public conscience.
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    Interesting! Imagine having a Dalton era from 1973-1989 - and 9 films! Wouldn't change the Moore era for anything else, but it's interesting to think of what could have been, etc.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,021
    NicNac wrote: »
    Reading Some Kind Of Hero, the book mentions how Timothy Dalton was considered for On Her Majesty's Secret Service because of his performance in The Lion In Winter - his movie debut.

    Well, considering The Lion In Winter was released on October 30th 1968, 9 days after Lazenby began shooting his Bond film, and several months after Lazenby was introduced to the press, well I do think this myth needs to be put to rest.

    I believe in fact that when Dalton said he was approached after Connery quit, he meant in 1972 after Connery quit for the second time. That makes perfect sense. Its a shame writers make assumptions, and before you know it these are facts and ingrained in the public conscience.

    Great post. Agree especially with the bolded part. In regards to Bond, another myth that annoys me is that the Mr score tapes are lost forever, which we have no definitive reason to think is the case.

    (And @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, it appears you have let us down for the first and last time ;) )
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,756
    mattjoes wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    Reading Some Kind Of Hero, the book mentions how Timothy Dalton was considered for On Her Majesty's Secret Service because of his performance in The Lion In Winter - his movie debut.

    Well, considering The Lion In Winter was released on October 30th 1968, 9 days after Lazenby began shooting his Bond film, and several months after Lazenby was introduced to the press, well I do think this myth needs to be put to rest.

    I believe in fact that when Dalton said he was approached after Connery quit, he meant in 1972 after Connery quit for the second time. That makes perfect sense. Its a shame writers make assumptions, and before you know it these are facts and ingrained in the public conscience.

    Great post. Agree especially with the bolded part. In regards to Bond, another myth that annoys me is that the Mr score tapes are lost forever, which we have no definitive reason to think is the case.

    (And @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, it appears you have let us down for the first and last time ;) )

    I've never heard about this before! What's the story behind this?
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    There seems to be a lot of myths and misinformation about when exactly Eon considered Dalton. I've always been skeptical about the OHMSS era as stated above. It's been mentioned that if you were breathing and a British male you could be considered for the role. But when you consider the five contenders as documented by Life Magazine in 1968 then how serious a candidate could Dalton have been? It's more of a good story in retrospect.

    Perhaps the books The Making of On Her Majesty's Secret Service and The Making of The Living Daylights have the best information based on the research that went into those publications.
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