SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Favorite Moments In NTTD (spoilers)

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh, the sexism here. [-(
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2015 Posts: 17,789
    Birdleson wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Oh, the sexism here. [-(

    I'm sexy!?!

    Compared to
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    NO
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    U.N.C.L.E. makes Time magazine's ten best films of 2015 list. http://time.com/4134913/top-10-best-movies/
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    delfloria wrote: »
    U.N.C.L.E. makes Time magazine's ten best films of 2015 list. http://time.com/4134913/top-10-best-movies/
    Someone got paid off....
    :))
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    She activated a laser beam (unknowingly) with her bikini-clad bottom. I'm sorry, but she was a beautiful brainless bimbo.
    Short Round activated a death trap (unknowingly) with his fully pantsed bottom, does that make HIM brainless?
    ;))

    No, but it DOES make him a bimbo.

    Er, cancel that. Take 2:

    No, but it DOES make him a less-than-efficient sidekick. Goodnight was supposed to be an MI6 agent. There's no room for that kind of carelessness in the deadly serious game Bond is playing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Her specialty was the honey trap.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Now that I have learned that both of the leaked scripts ended with Bond saying to Swann, "We have all the time in the world." I'm pretty bummed that it wasn't included.
    Oh man, if that was included I would have walked out hating the entire film. I SAW OHMSS, and I DON'T want to see a remake. Even if it's just IMPLYING one. The movie was perfect as is.

    Well, I respect your feeling like that, @Birdleson. Especially as you found the film unsatisfying. I get that it would have been meaningful to you. But personally, I do relate more to chrisisall's reaction. I would have hated that being said at the end of the film. Not just disliked it; it would have been a big mistake, in my opinion. My reaction would have been pretty strong against that being said.

    Agreed about the deleted last line. It would have been too portentuous. Question: since, apparently, in early drafts of the scripts Blofeld was to be killed, do you think Madeleine might ultimately survive as well?
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 3,566
    The best thing for Madeleine (in my opinion) would be the same thing that's happened to many other Bond women throughout the years: she rides off into the sunset with 007 at the end of one film and she's totally forgotten by the beginning of the next. If it was good enough for Honey Rider & Pussy Galore then it's good enough for Madeleine Swann. Do I think it's GOING To happen that way? No. The "All the Time in the World" scenario is all too likely to be her fate, as is Blofeld being busted out of prison at the beginning of Bond 25. This is the expected scenario, based on what we've seen from Eon these past few films. DC's Bond needs to have a personal tragedy to cope with in each movie...and once they've got a Name Player on board (Judy Dench, Raph Fiennes, Ben Whitshaw, Naomi Harris and now Christoph Waltz) the're going to squeeze that fruit until all the juice is used up. Personally, I'd like to be surprised once in awhile by the plotting of a Bond film, but I'm just an eternal optimist...
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I'd prefer it if they went down Fleming's route in From Russia With Love, regarding Dr. Swann. Have her in place of Tiffany Case. Perhaps have a scene (in lieu of M) with Bond and Tanner.

    I assume that Blofeld will be broken out in B25. (not another hoary scenario in which the villain controls everything from his prison cell, or Blofeld is giving MI6 false information, then he escapes? See Alias Season 2 for how to do it right. Several years before Nolan and his Joker mind!)

    Then Blofeld can set up a most humiliating demise for Bond a'la From Russia With Love? I'm thinking it would be nice to see SPECTRE in a similar vein to Fleming's From Russia With Love, i.e. the agent, the boardroom, the planning, the execution.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    If they drop Swann for the next film, fine.
    If she comes back & lives, fine.
    If they kill her for another angst ridden 'personal' revenge story then I'm done with Bond until the next reboot.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    First let me say, I have not seen SPECTRE a 2nd time after all. Not yet, but I will this coming Sunday (13th). Work and exhaustion intruded this weekend, causing the delay.
    So let me make a few comments ...

    @royale65, thanks for your good, detailed wrap up of Craig's Bond films. I think you liked QOS a bit more than I did, but I do find real merit in it. I just didn't care for the style or pace (or camerawork for the most part, though here are exceptions) in this one.

    @BeatlesSansEarmuffs, I am a bit surprised myself that there seems to be little 'middle ground' for SPECTRE as far as fans' reactions go. I love it, though I would change a few things. Nothing about it bothers me a whole lot. I have not read a lot of opinions on this forum yet, just some - but I will be getting caught up over the next week or two. I am surprised that several fans really were quite disappointed in it. The film was mostly what I was hoping for; and it was well executed, lovely to look at, fine acting. So there are two disparate sets of opinion, yes; not many middle of the road feelings n seems.

    As for the "plotted by committee" I can honestly say I am so glad it was in this case! I have finally read some ideas that were part of the first script by Logan and I cringed through all of what I read (not actual dialog - the plot! the main ideas!). It would have been a major mistake, not small, if some of those ideas had actually made it into the final script. So I don't mind - and have never minded - more than one writer working on a Bond script. As far as producers and other "execs" input go, however- too many fingers in the pie is, ultimately, usually not helpful, I feel. But some is warranted, I do think so. I hope that the director and writer(s) can focus enough on the whole picture and not get weighed down by the numerous emails and notes they receive with suggestions and questions. That could be a killer. But in SPECTRE's case I'm frankly amazed they came up with such a good film after some horrible ideas that were in place, really in place, in the earlier script.

    More later ... do carry on!

    :>
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited December 2015 Posts: 8,244
    Lea can't hold a candle to Tanya Roberts as Tracy Sutton in that department...
    You mean that candle that set off the fire in the town hall?

    If I told you any more bad words about her would result in a proper spanking by her you'd be using as much deragatory words as possible just to get her all riled up..

    Couldn't agree less though, I think their chemistry works very well and slowly builds. No spark? Look at her after they disposed Hinx on the train...

    I hope that, if Dr. Swnn isn't forgotten, she's only mentioned later as in the love between them cooled and she left. Couldn't handle Bond's lifestyle. Anything like that (thinking of Fleming's YOLT now).

  • edited December 2015 Posts: 2,341
    Instead of a step by step analysis of the 4 Craig films I wanted to do like an Academy Awards "Best of Craig's Films"
    I don't know how you ladies and gents feel about that but I will "run it up the flagpole and see who salutes it" (Quick trivia: what classic film is that line from?)
    Best Gun Barrell SP
    Best PTS SF
    Best Theme song CR ( I loved SF but CR wins out by a nose, that song has balls!)
    Best Girl Vesper from CR (I would lean toward Swann after seeing her in that green dress, but I'm partial to brunettes)
    Best Villain Silva from SF
    Best Ally Leiter CR he was given so little to do in QoS
    Best sacrificial lamb Solange from CR
    Best Set Piece SF the shootout in Scotland
    Best Titles CR hands down (with SF a distant second)
    Best Climax SP or SF pick em
    Best Bad Henchman Hinx from SP
    Best gadget DB5 despite not really being utilized much still love the car. I'm not a big fan of the gadgetry and never was)

    Love to hear your "bests"
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Best Gun Barrell SP
    Best PTS CR
    Best Theme song CR
    Best Girl Vesper from CR (although I'm a fan of all Craig's girls)
    Best Villain Le Chiffre CR
    Best Ally Kincade SF
    Best sacrificial lamb Solange from CR
    Best Set Piece African Rundown CR
    Best Titles CR exquisite
    Best Climax CR tough one this, as I'm not a fan of Craig's climaxes.
    Best Bad Henchman Hinx from SP
    Best gadget "It's called a radio" SF

    There you go. Alas I'm drawing a blank on that line @OHMSS69...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    That's fine, @OHMSS69 - we can give our selections for those categories, from Craig's Bond films. We can also give our brief summary of CR, QOS, SF, and SP. So anybody who would like to chime in with those, please do. :-bd

    As for Madeleine Swann -
    I think Lea and Daniel's chemistry was fine. There was a definite spark, and I very much like her in the role.

    For what happens to her in Bond 25, my personal wish would be for her to NOT be killed. I very much do not want a rehash of OHMSS in any major way. The story also does not need it. And I would personally find it so 'in your face' and unnecessary, it would bother me.

    I would like for her either to be forgotten, not really mentioned, or at least info passed on that she had moved on with her life in some way without Bond. My first choice would be a nice mention - but that's it. The meat of the next story is surely Blofeld and Bond's next (presumably final) clash. I really do not want this to have so strongly a "Tracy" element, and have Madeleine killed at the beginning. It is actually totally unnecessary to the story arc and the enjoyment of both SPECTRE and the next Bond film.

    So I hope the writer(s) find a good way to move on with Bond 25. Having Madeleine killed is an obvious choice, easy; but I would frankly hate that. As others have pointed out, there are Bond films that simply move on (regarding main Bond girl from previous film), and I do prefer that to be Madeleine's fate.



  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Best IMO...
    Best Gun Barrell SP
    Best PTS SP
    Best Theme song CR
    Best Girl QOS
    Best Villain SP
    Best Ally CR
    Best sacrificial CR
    Best Set Piece CR
    Best Titles CR
    Best Climax QOS
    Best Bad Henchman SP
    Best gadget SP
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited December 2015 Posts: 12,480
    Ah, this is from 2012 but I only just now discovered this (via twitter link). I think this is very interesting; amazing good video & article. I'm keeping this one on file. Bond titles through the years - this shows thru Skyfall (with "Skyfall" title song playing thru the video) and the accompanying article (just scroll down below the video) is detailed, quite good. Great pictures, too. Perhaps it was shown on this forum somewhere before, but I love it and am sharing it with you all today. Do check it out! B-)

    http://www.artofthetitle.com/feature/james-bond-50-years-of-main-title-design/

    In part, here is something Daniel Kleinman said:

    “I’m very aware of and keen to preserve the best of the heritage of Bond imagery, a universally understood visual language that is a shortcut to sexiness, excitement, mystery, humour, sophistication, and glamour, a language entirely invented by my predecessors,” says Kleinman. “It would be more than foolish to throw away the instant familiarity and kudos the iconic visual style brings with it. Not to build on the history of what makes Bond Bond and not just another action film would be a disservice to the franchise and the audience. However, with the heritage must come innovation — it’s not good enough just to rehash the same imagery; I want to elaborate, experiment, freshen up, and generally play with the key elements that come with the territory of Bond.”
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That is exactly what he does. He is brilliant.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, I agree - Kleinman is brilliant, and he tackles each Bond film with respect.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I have to say here how MUCH I liked the ending of SPECTRE. It was riveting to me. Maybe in subsequent viewings it will lose its freshness, but it played out so not how I expected that I absolutely loved it!
    Okay, that last bullet was the lucky one through the vent & now the copter will explode in a blaze of glory in front of Big Ben. No?
    Okay, so it crashed on the bridge, this is where Bond kills the bastid. No?
    Okay, he's gonna show that he's evolved but now Blowfeld will pull the gun from out of nowhere thing & MAKE Bond kill him! No?
    Okay, well at least Bond can 'arrest' him now with a funny put down. No??
    Wait, he's tossing the PPK?!?!?!?!?!
    WAIT!!! He gets the girl AND the DB5?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Glorious.
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    I wanted to join this thread just for these "best _____" thingies:

    Best Gun Barrell SP
    Best PTS CR
    Best Theme song CR
    Best Girl CR
    Best Villain SF
    Best Ally QoS (kinda...I liked the death...which maybe doesn't really count but..ho well)
    Best sacrificial CR
    Best Set Piece SP
    Best Titles CR
    Best Climax SF
    Best Bad Henchman SP
    Best gadget SP
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    Casino Royale (2006)This movie was a kick ass great film from the get go. No boring moments, no total suspension of belief, good villains, great girl (one of my favorites) and it introduced a new gritty Bond. Not since the good old days of LTK had I felt that we had a James who could kick some major ass.

    From the PTS when we see Bond take out Dryden and his cronie in the rest room...to the wild chase in Africa, Daniel Craig shows that he could play Bond and keep on playing Bond. He is tough, tender at times and heart broken and Craig nails it down to a tee.

    Those opening titles were so different, the colors, the cardboard cutouts reminded me of the old movie posters from Vertigo, and other 60's and 50's classics. It was such a super cool approach and a real deviation from the nudes we had been treated with since TB...
    Then that kick ass song.
    Bond had good sidekicks in Mathias and we are introduced to Felix Leiter. The villains are up to the task as well. The mysterious Mr. White and LeChiffe with his hot mistress and his thug henchmen.

    No wonder that CR was voted "The Best Bond film" in the nationwide Mi6 magazine survey in 2012. It remains in my personal top three. I have no complaints about this movie.

    QoS to follow as I do not want the post to be too long...

    Also, answer to my trivia: That line was from Twelve Angry Men
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I think that we should add Epilogue as a category, these have been very strong in the Craig Era (with the exception of SP, in my opinion): CR (one of the greatest Bond Moments)

    QOS was even better IMHO.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    All of Craig's films have had great epilogues IMO.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited December 2015 Posts: 12,480
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I have to say here how MUCH I liked the ending of SPECTRE. It was riveting to me. Maybe in subsequent viewings it will lose its freshness, but it played out so not how I expected that I absolutely loved it!
    Okay, that last bullet was the lucky one through the vent & now the copter will explode in a blaze of glory in front of Big Ben. No?
    Okay, so it crashed on the bridge, this is where Bond kills the bastid. No?
    Okay, he's gonna show that he's evolved but now Blowfeld will pull the gun from out of nowhere thing & MAKE Bond kill him! No?
    Okay, well at least Bond can 'arrest' him now with a funny put down. No??
    Wait, he's tossing the PPK?!?!?!?!?!
    WAIT!!! He gets the girl AND the DB5?!?!?!?!?!?!

    Glorious.

    I do get what you saying, @chrisisall. The only thing that kept me from thinking Blofeld would be killed in this one is that I was sure that EON would want at least 2 films using him. They only recently got the rights to the character, so why kill him off in only one film?

    I also was very happy Craig finally ended one of his films with the girl alive and by his side - hell yes to that. Overdue. I left the theater quite happy indeed.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Epilogues in Bond films? Yes, Craig has been fortunate that he has had some truly great ones.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    “Casino Royale had to be a bit different,” says Kleinman. “It was Bond starting off. Before the title sequence he wasn’t even 007, so the titles are really about him becoming a 00 agent. The dancing girls were left out for narrative reasons as Bond was not yet the lady-killer that he is to become; he has not had his heart broken and been betrayed by a woman and he’s not the deadly assassin who needs to throw himself into the life-affirming physicality of sex to compensate for the horror of the constant death surrounding him.”

    Just had to extract that from @4EverBonded passage about the main titles. Kleinman really knows his Bond.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    royale65 wrote: »
    “Casino Royale had to be a bit different,” says Kleinman. “It was Bond starting off. Before the title sequence he wasn’t even 007, so the titles are really about him becoming a 00 agent. The dancing girls were left out for narrative reasons as Bond was not yet the lady-killer that he is to become; he has not had his heart broken and been betrayed by a woman and he’s not the deadly assassin who needs to throw himself into the life-affirming physicality of sex to compensate for the horror of the constant death surrounding him.”

    Just had to extract that from @4EverBonded passage about the main titles. Kleinman really knows his Bond.

    Probably my favourite titles - just awesome.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Exactly, @royale65 and @Lancster007. I really like that article; there is plenty of great info in it. And photos. I enjoyed the video montage of titles a lot, too (with "Skyfall" playing ... which reminded me again of what a great title song that is).

    Here's the link again, for this page.


    http://www.artofthetitle.com/feature/james-bond-50-years-of-main-title-design/
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I've been on a number of other threads and the amount of coroner-like dissection & cause-of-dis autopsies being performed on SPECTRE is positively shocking.
    There is only one gauge of Bond greatness for me: after you watch it, do you anticipate another viewing with glee? Most Bonds are like that for me, especially SP.
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