SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Favorite Moments In NTTD (spoilers)

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  • Good to have you back, @4EverBonded.

    No From Russia With Love on your list of classics? Interesting. It's way up there for me, in fact, this is the only title on which our lists do not agree.
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    What constitutes "classic Bond"?

    If we're talking classic Bond then that makes me think of classic Bond moments rather than just great Bond movies. Moments that make Bond.

    Bond takes off his wetsuit to reveal a perfect white tuxedo.

    Bond is going to meet Blofeld in his lair, and he has brought a kilt.

    Bond doesn't show up for the first 15 minutes of the movie (let alone spend a 10 minute PTS holding a mini war) and he has a mission. It may be a trap, but he knows what to do - check the room for bugs and then order yoghurt for breakfast.

    Classic Bond has that sort of style and swagger for me.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Rats!!! I knew I had left off a favorite film that I also consider a classic: From Russia with Love. B-) You are right, @BeatlesSansEarmuffs. I just typed that fast yesterday. It is definitely a classic Bond for me.

    As lovely, beautifully filmed as OHMSS is, with great music, too, it cannot be my own personal classic as it falls short by having Lazenby as Bond - I never bought him for a second in the role, and it hurt the film beyond repair for me.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I also want to add a "classic" Bond film is not locked into one particular tone. The rollicking adventure that is the sublime The Spy Who Loved Me is far, far different from Casino Royale and From Russia With Love.
  • TSWLM is classic Bond for me because it was the film that locked the Moore Bond into place. LALD was a tentative beginning for Moore and TMWTGG a large step backward. With Spy I felt like the film-makers and Moore had finally grasped what they wanted his Bond to be and were ready to move forward...and the audience understood what they were shooting for, and was ready to accept it.
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    Interesting................. I had no problem with George in OHMSS and he quickly became my 2nd favorite Bond.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, I know I'm in the minority regarding OHMSS. As much as I wanted to like it, I honestly couldn't.
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    OHMSS is a hard Bond film to love. I like it for many reasons, but I can't love it for Lazenby. Gabriele Ferzetti (as Draco) acts rings around him whenever they share the screen. I appreciate the fact that the film stays true to Fleming's original story and ends with Tracy's death and Bond a shattered man...but it still ends the film on a bummer of a note and it's hard film to love for that quality as well.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    I meet the age criteria. The first Bond I saw at the cinema was LALD (we were poor). I have yet to read the thread in its entirety but WRT OHMSS & the last couple of posts for many years it was most definitely at the bottom of my rankings. I would avoid watching it whenever it was on TV. Only a couple of years ago I decided to give it another chance & boy I couldn't believe what a great film it was! Tastes change with age I guess but it is now my favourite.

    Just for the record I am a fan of 'old Bond' (up to & including Dalton) but CR aside am luke warm about the subsequent films.
  • Welcome aboard, @stag. Please do read as much of the thread as you can manage, there are some real gems lurking in our back pages, not least of which is the opportunity to meet the late great Sir Henry himself.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    OHMSS

    I had the luck to see this without knowing much about the franchise. I just thought, oh ok, another actor that played Bond and I even didn't know how many Bond movies existed back then.

    OHMSS blew me away, like no other Bond movie ever had. I certainly thought it to be the best Bond by far and I was devastated when realising it was the only Bond movie with Lazenby.

    It never left my Top 3, only GE and TLD went higher. (I don't count Spectre yet)

    Objectively (I try) I'd even say it's the best Bond movie together with FRWL.

    If Lazenby had made more Bond movies it's entirely possible he would be my favourite actor after Dalton.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Classic as opposed to favourite for me would be .....

    Gun barrel, with an exciting PTS leading in to some spectacular titles, with a big,
    bold, brassy, Bond song. Some wordplay with Moneypenny
    A meeting at M's office for the mission, a visit to Q for some equipment and a joke
    or two.
    A larger than life villain with an equally evil plan for world domination with a big,
    nasty henchman.
    A sexy leading lady, and a big finish, with loads of action and the villain's HQ getting
    blown to pieces. :)
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    I say we can cover the formulaic elements but most of the films have this and that doesn't necessary make it a "classic"

    I would say the first three: DN, FRWL and GF and I toss in OHMSS
    The first three came out at a time when Bond and his world was new and fresh... they almost recall a "innocent time" in filmmaking.

    DN is a true "man's Film" and should be listed beside such films as "The Dirty Dozen", "The Great Escape" and "Bullitt"
    FRWL is the one true espionage spy thriller in the EON stable
    GF as the one that made Bond his own genre.
    OHMSS has attained a kind of "cult status' among the Bond films (the only one to do so)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Well if we're going to get pedantic, we'd better establish what we mean by
    Classic :-B
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Well that is what we are discussing - what "classic" means to each of us. Because there is not firm list of criteria. Our ideas of what is classic will naturally vary.
  • One element that goes into making a "classic" Bond that we haven't discussed yet is a great male aide to Bond. Dr. No has 2 (Leiter and Quarrel) and FRWL has one really excellent one (Kerim Bey.) The Leiter in GF is really one of the lesser manifestations of that top=level character. Draco in OHMSS is one of the greats, and so forth. Jack Wade isn't one of the best elements of GE (which I would agree is indeed a classic) -- Valentine Zukovsky steals the show away from Wade in GE and he makes himself into one of the all-time great supporting characters with his turn in TWINE. He's one of the best parts of what would otherwise be a mid-level Bond adventure to me. (Not that I'm trying to make the case for TWINE as a classic Bond tale, Denise Richards makes that estimation nigh untol impossible.)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Well that is part of the "formula," yes. :) And a standard in storytelling as it makes the story even more compelling for the audience (or reader). The most enjoyable allies for me are: Valentin, Kerim, Leiter (CR & QOS), and Columbo. I really like Tiger too, and Quarrel. But those first 4 that I've mentioned are my very favorites.
  • Yes, Columbo & Tiger are excellent allies. Mathis (CR & QoS) is one of the greats too.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I'd have loved it, if they had have kept Mathis as a returning character.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Id like to add what makes a Bond film classic its a film which is essential to watch by newbees who want to get into Bond but are not interested in watching 24 films.

    So by those means id say the classic Bond movies are.

    Dr No
    From Russia with Love
    Goldfinger
    On her Majesty's secret Service
    The spy who loved me
    Licence to kill
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Fair point. Films that, if you love them, you'll love their lesser brethren too.
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    **Footnote**
    I would add CR to my list. Craigs first film is instant classic and ranks with the four I mentioned earlier as Bond films that will be "Classics:.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Dr No
    From Russia with Love
    Goldfinger
    On her Majesty's secret Service
    The spy who loved me
    Licence to kill
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale

    That would be pretty much it, but I'd remove LTK, general audiences did and do not like it. Unlike OHMSS, aside from the fans, it never received critical reassessment.
    I'd also add SKYFALL, and probably THUNDERBALL and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

    In place of LTK I'd put The Living Daylights. Great use of a Fleming short story fleshed out nicely by the screenwriters. And Dalton really needs to make an appearance for our mythical newbie!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    For me what makes a classic Bond film is a variety of different ingredients. And while these ingredients I'm about to mention doesn't apply to every Bond film, but to what my general idea of a Classic Bond movie is.

    A nonchalant, calm, collected, natural Bond. A Bond who is on top of his game and in his prime. Someone who is clever and on top of his game. Well informed and excellent at what he does while occasionally being a smartass for the fun of it.

    Unique and interesting locales. I like it when Bond movies take us to new places we've never really gotten a chance to see and spending a good chunk of the movie there. Bond can globe trot but I'd prefer he stay at one place for a good amount of time each instead of being at multiple places in a very short time span.

    Beautiful ladies. This one speaks for itself, though I'll put a little more thought into it. I prefer Bond girls who, are intelligent and able to handle themselves. Now that doesn't mean female agents who are meant to be "Bond's equal." I think most of those characters are just caricature of Bond anyway, but not all I think Aki pulls that off the best. I mean someone like Natalya, the everyday person or Tracy even. someone like them. Those are my ideal Bond girls.

    A Bond villain who is very much Bond like. I enjoy villains who are very cool and sophisticated like Bond himself. Dr. No, Kamal Khan and Sanchez come to mind for this. Each of them have different goals and ways they conduct themselves but they live their lives with such charm and style that you like to know more about them.

    A good, memorable music score. For me personally, one of the biggest ingredients that make a Bond film, a classic Bond film is it's score. The Bond sound is legendary with how great and stylish it is. John Barry is 100% responsible for it and the music he contributed for the Bond franchise has been phenomenal. Though he wasn't the only composer to bring greatness to Bond music. A Bond score that uses the Bond theme to maximum perfection along with bringing in new and unique themes to the film is also important. And I don't me using the Bond theme over and over for the sake of it, but for when it's necessary and needed when Bond is at the top of his game or during an intense action scene. In a score where the Bond theme is barely used or just exclusively used for the end credits, then I consider that a failure. The music of Bond is a character in itself that movies along with Bond during his adventure and should always be treated as such. When it's treated as just background decoration or wallpaper, then the point is lost and so is the impact. Bond music needs to be as Bold and Brash as Bond himself. It shouldn't be anything less than him.

    And lastly. Unique set design, a good splash of humor and something that doesn't take itself too seriously. Those are the best kinds of Bond films and the ones I find to be classic.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Dr No
    From Russia with Love
    Goldfinger
    On her Majesty's secret Service
    The spy who loved me
    Licence to kill
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale

    That would be pretty much it, but I'd remove LTK, general audiences did and do not like it. Unlike OHMSS, aside from the fans, it never received critical reassessment.
    I'd also add SKYFALL, and probably THUNDERBALL and YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE.

    In place of LTK I'd put The Living Daylights. Great use of a Fleming short story fleshed out nicely by the screenwriters. And Dalton really needs to make an appearance for our mythical newbie!

    That's exactly why I included Dalton hehe.
    Any new person who would get into Bond needs to know the 6 actors with the film which succeded the most or Represents him the best.

    I think Licence to kill represents Dalton much better than The living daylights Licence to kill its much more his acting style.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Good comments from everybody here. Thanks. :-bd

    Yes, I don't know why I forgot Mathis. He's so excellent. And I think many Bond fans would have liked him to return.

    I included TLD for those reasons, @BeatlesSansEarmuffs. :) And the way they introduced Dalton, on that cliff, with the follow up - just excellent.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    @Murdock's post got me thinking. Actually it's amazing how much talent was acquired over the years, but from the start as well.

    The music indeed is very important. I remember driving with my then girlfriend past a lake in Italy with a drowned town it it, only the church tower rises above the water. I had the CD-player on but, as it was one with 5 CD's, wasn't quite sure which would come up next. It was 'The best of Bond', with the Bond-rendition from Dr. No as the first track. Just for a moment we both just looked around to see where the action was. As if you can actually drive into a Bond-adventure! Perhaps that's why SPECTRE isn't working that well: the music is more background, it's not part of the narrative. Where it should've made the car chase exciting it makes it artistic instead. At the same time, even though it's got a rotten title track QoS has sublime moments also due to the music. The Tosca scene beeing the most obvious.



  • You're right, @CommanderRoss. The Tosca scene is definitely one of the high points of QoS.
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    Question: How come people refer to the Bond villains as trying to "take over the world"? How many really did try and do that? U.N.C.L.E.'s adversary Thrush was keen on doing that but it seems to me that few of the 007 villains ever tried to do that.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    I guess it's a short way of defining the aspirations of the bad guys. They never wanted to 'take over' the world, but it starts with Dr. No wanting to hold the world at ransom, something the different incarnations of Blofeld have tried as well (especially in TB and DAF).
    In the Roger Moore era the plots became more outlandish. Stromberg starting anew under the sea (basically destroying and then taking over the world), whereas Drax had the same idea, but then from space. Those two are, I think, the only ones that really fall into the 'take over the world' category. Or maybe Carver, who's power as media mogul would come very close to that.

    But I guess Austin Powers had more to do with that idea then Bondfilms themselves.
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