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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    As a non-Original born in '80 I can of course not vote, but I do agree on the status GE has had for me, and I guess those of my generation, as the final return of Bond. I was increadably excited to see it in the cinema (night viewing with my brother and father, the dayviewings were allready stacked) in a room that hadn't been cleaned since the first of six that day. But it didn't matter, Bond was back in a big way, and here to stay! It has many flaws, but even the terrible score couldn't take it down. I had that same feeling when seeing Casino.
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
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    My suggestion for how the voting should proceed: we should pick a date, say a week from now and proceed. someone like 4EverBonded (being a teacher and all can do the tallies
    1. We all submit our lists (if not already)
    2. Based on the number of times a particular film shows up on several lists then that film will be added to the final list
    3. In the end we should have how many on the list? five? Seven?
    I'm open to suggestions :) 8-|
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Just count which films a majority of the originals rate as classic.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
    edited August 2016 Posts: 3,566
    I have to say I'm not quite comfortable with the notion that only the opinions of "Originals" count in this discussion. My perception of SirHenry's intent was that the Originals were the only ones whose rankings were tabulated in the scoring of the Bond films done way back in the early pages of this thread -- but that the opinions of all who cared and were willing conduct themselves with a certain level of respect for all posters to this thread were welcome in all our other various discussions. Subtle distinction I suppose... but still, I'm very interested in whatever @CommanderRoss, @Thunderfinger, and the rest of you have to say on this topic. @OHMSS69 raises a very valid issue in his point #3: do we want to limit the number of films on the Classic list to any particular number? I'd say no, not really -- but I have trimmed my own list slightly in deference to this issue. Still, if we HAD to limit the list to an arbitrarily chosen number, I would suggest that the number of course be: 007.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    SirHenry wanted the Originals for the first rankings of the entire film series (and ongoing for each new film). Indeed, that now includes Spectre. He wanted thoughtful and lively discussion from all members, though - and for others to include their reviews and rankings if they chose to do so (their rankings simply would not count for the tally, unless the person was an Original). This is a special thread for Originals, and SirHenry thought of it as a place for us to hang out - but also discuss with other members who don't meet the criteria of being an Original. He wanted plenty of good, mature yet fun posts (no name calling, high sarcasm, or snide remarks directed to other members, for example). Respect for each other's opinions but feel free to argue or disagree in a friendly way.

    For this look at what makes a "classic" film, I want personally want both. I do not think we will ever all agree on what exactly makes a classic Bond film. That's fine with me and does not bother me. But we can share our reasons and have fun with this, and I think that is illuminating and a worthwhile endeavor.

    Therefore, I want two lists: One of classic Bond films as determined by only Originals, and a fuller list that includes them along with everyone else.

    I think there should be no problem with 2 lists. I am personally interested in the Originals of course, but I do want a complete list with everyone else, too. I really want to see what everybody else thinks is a classic Bond film, especially those who have all along participated nicely here (some @BeatlesSansEarmuffs mentioned, but other members, too; folks who are not on here regularly but want to put together a well thought out list).

    At the moment, I am not limiting the number of films to be considered classic (say 8 or 10). I don't want that pinned down. I want us to look at all the lists people give us first. then decide if it should be 8 or 10 or 12, whatever.

    So ... let's take 3 more days to get our "final" call, our final list of classic Bond films posted here. That gives people time to get back on the forum if they are busy, and I want to ask other Originals to participate, too. So let's say 3 more days.

    That's the way I'd like us to proceed. And I'll get you my list soon, but I don't think I am trimming it. ;)

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    Here is my list of films I consider to be truly classic Bond films.

    Dr. No
    From Russia With Love
    Goldfinger
    Thunderball
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    For Your Eyes Only
    The Living Daylights
    Goldeneye
    Casino Royale
    Skyfall

    I cannot include OHMSS, though others certainly will. It has been appreciated more over time, I know that. But it falls so far short for me, and I do not consider it to be a great film at all (no matter how much I like Diana Rigg in it). So personally, I simply cannot include it and I won't.

    NOTE: There have been some very good statements as to what comprises a "classic" Bond film, why a film should be looked upon as a classic. There is no one set definition.

    Please do join us and give us our list of Bond films you consider to be truly classic. We will wrap this part (people giving their list of classic Bonds) in 3 days, August 29th.

    We will then put together a list of classics as chosen by Originals and a list of classics by everyone pooled together (Originals and nonOriginals). I greatly appreciate @BeatlesSansEarmuffs for helping with the recordkeeping. Cheers!
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Ok my first Classic official list.
    Ive made a few but this my final list. No more changes

    Dr No
    Goldfinger
    From Russia with love
    On her Majesty's secret service
    The Spy who loved me
    Licence to kill
    Goldeneye
    Tomorrow never dies- The appreciation thread for this film has made realize how many icoic moments it has and all those moments make a great case to consider this film a classic.
    Casino Royale
    Skyfall





  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,250
    I've taken to ask my FB 'friends' (some I do like, don't worry!) to come up with what they consider the classics. I have three responses now, with, let's say, interesting results. As soon as I've got about five or so I'll tally it up and tell you all.
  • vzokvzok
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    When we post our lists of what we feel are classics, are we to include films that we think meet the classic criteria even if we don't like them too much ourselves?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    My unoriginal vote: DN, FRWL, GF, OHMSS, FYEO, CR, SF, SP.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    Thanks to everybody responding here as we put forth our final list of Classic Bond Films.

    There is no very firm clear path to "classic" (though excellent discussion on previous pages helps clarify how we all feel about what makes a 'classic') - but I ask all to really give thought to this and not only list favorites or a hugely popular film. Granted, favorites and classics may go hand in hand majority of time. So do make this a serious list, take some time and thought for it. From what I can see, I think everyone who has responded in this thread on this topic (not just recently) are trying to do just that. Thank you! :-bd

    Yes, @vzok - include if you feel it is actually a classic Bond film.
    I am personally not overly fond of Thunderball, but it is on my list.
    OHMSS is not because, for me, I have to consider the film to be an overall great Bond film and I do not feel that way about OHMSS. I will probably be the only one not counting it as classic, but I just cannot. I can live with that.

    @Szonana, I love TND and wanted it on my classic list. It is Pierce's best Bond, in my opinion, and one of my favorite Bond films. I felt Goldeneye overall had the edge, is widely respected, and also helped recharge the franchise, so I went with just that one for Pierce. Of course, your list may vary from others' lists. I do have four of Sean's on my classic list.

    I appreciate the extra info, @CommanderRoss, and do look forward to hearing their opinions. Thanks! Should be interesting, for sure. :-?

    Thanks for your list, @Thunderfinger. I like your list, though we differ a little. Nice to see Spectre on it. I do enjoy that film. Flak probably coming your way for that, but who cares? Tell them to hop on Little Nelly & go finish their own list. ;)
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,130
    @4everbonded
    I added Tomorrow never dies at last minute because i relized it has the elements of a classic at lewts some which is a good cuople of iconic and well remembered moments.

    Maybe its not as highly rated as the others but fans seem to like it and has its very unforgettable moments. Believe me im trying to be as objective as possible if was just my favorites The world is not enough would have been the first on my list but i know its not so well loved.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    I know you are, @Szonana, and I'm happy TND is on your list. I love TND. It has many wonderful, pure Bondian scenes.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited August 2016 Posts: 7,113
    Forget my previous list, this is my new "classic" list (not necessarily my absolute favourites though I like them all):

    DN
    FRWL
    GF
    OHMSS
    TSWLM
    TLD
    GE
    CR
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Thanks, @GoldenGun. :)
    Some films seem to be a staple for us. This will shape up very interesting.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    So far, DN, FRWL, GF, TSWLM, and CR seem like shoo-ins. The rest of @GoldenGun's list also look like strong contenders. Just for the record, I'm adding FYEO back to my list. Vote early and often! (Hmm -- am I suddenly back in the Next American President thread?
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Listing classics...well you have the public conception of it and a real Bond of 40 years like me ..which one is required for this thread ?
    Anyway,the public can bog off..my own personal 'classic Bonds' are :

    FRWL.....TB...OHMSS...TSWLM..OP....CR....seriously,thats it...i deem these as my classic Bond films for me.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    I am glad you added FYEO back in, @Beatles.

    @barryt007 - our previous pages discussed different aspects that we consider important to make a Bond film classic .... but there is no set list of criteria. Our lists will vary. Happy to have you here; thanks for joining us.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    I could have listed OP as well....but I've just got a problem with Bond in a gorilla suit. Or Bond as a clown for that matter. But OP IS a lot of fun, so I'm glad to see it getting some respect. @barryt007: no GF? You're one of the few... not that there's anything wrong with that...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    I definitely would leave OP out, though it has its fun & serious moments. But this is also why it is interesting to see everybody's lists. I want to see @Benny on here with his list. ;) LALD is the only one just barely not making my list.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    It will look like that, @Birdleson, because many of our favorites are classics .... yet what one person's strongest criteria for what makes a classic will differ from others. There is no getting around that since we do not have a set rule for what makes a classic. And I don't believe we should try to force that; I don't think it's possible, as that really is up to the individual. I may see a film on someone's list that I would not have on my list, yet I enjoy it a lot. But when I see it on another person's list, I'm going to try not to think that the other person is merely listing favorites (because in my own mind, it would not be a classic but would be a favorite). So we will have to be tolerant with each other.

    Somebody lists 20 as classics; that's a different thing.

    But I do think these two lists, once finalized, should be very interesting to see. B-)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    I do appreciate LALD a lot and it was a great transitional Bond film, a real success introducing the new Bond actor. Great theme song and score ... it nearly is on my list as a classic and I'm unsure why I'm just not quite getting it there, to be honest. It's important in the franchise for sure. I remember seeing it in the theatre; I was thrilled with it. I accepted Moore as Bond with no problem and I liked him very much indeed, right from the first.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    That is why it is important historically, too. Moore cemented the series' success, guaranteed it would continue forward on solid ground. I remember how up in the air it all seemed after OHMSS and then DAF was fun ... but, we knew it was Sean's last one and it felt like a cliff was looming ... so yes, I think LALD is really important.

    In my world, Roger Moore was very popular as the Saint and was looked upon favorably as the next Bond, before people even saw him on the screen. But he put his own style and charm into the role and it did feel like a sigh of relief and a breath of fresh air - and onwards the Bond series went.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I know. And now I am struggling as to why it is not on my classic list. Personally, my only quibble with the film is Mr. Big's final demise.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I'll put in my own list of what I consider Bond classics.

    DN
    FRWL
    GF
    TB
    OHMSS
    TSWLM
    FYEO
    OP
    LTK
    GE
    CR
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    Thanks, @Murdock. Good list there. And Benny will be pleased with you. ;)

    No, LALD is mostly spot on, @Birdleson. And the humor was silly, yes, but perfect for Moore. A good sign of things to come.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,113
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It still seems like most of us are simply making a favorites list.

    Therefore I changed my list. Left out a few favourites like LTK and YOLT.

    While I consider both TSWLM and DN undisputable classics, they just miss out on my top 10.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    I know you are, @Szonana, and I'm happy TND is on your list. I love TND. It has many wonderful, pure Bondian scenes.

    Yes it does have some very Bondian moments and well I clarified on how objective im trying to be here since im often very Pro Brosnan but this thread required to be much more objective hehe.

  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    You could probably make an argument that all of the 60's films deserve to be given classic status. Other than that, TSWLM, GE and CR would be the only ones that I'm sure about. Those on the bubble would include LALD, TLD and SF. With SF, I just feel that not enough time has passed to be able to make that judgement call. Only time will tell.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    BeatlesSansEarmuffs wrote: »
    I could have listed OP as well....but I've just got a problem with Bond in a gorilla suit. Or Bond as a clown for that matter. But OP IS a lot of fun, so I'm glad to see it getting some respect. @barryt007: no GF? You're one of the few... not that there's anything wrong with that...

    Have a look at my GF thread ,a classic maybe,but not a classic to me....close,but no cigar ;)

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