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Yet ... I keep in mind that making Bond films is a coordinated effort by a group of people, headed by Cubby's family still but in an even crazier, perhaps more contentious and difficult time for making seamless films within a 2 year frame (squeezing in actors' schedules and writers and God knows what else) compared to past decades. I don't know; I just think that may be so. As I've mentioned, I'd be quite happy with only a 3 year gap. I think EON would be, too (don't scream at me now ...) ;)
Also, I bear in mind that some of my favorite Bond films were followed immediately by ones I was disappointed in (at that time, in the theater and also for today):
The Spy Who Loved Me - superb; followed by Moonraker (some love it, sure; but for me a definite drop down)
Live and Let Die - great intro to Moore's Bond, score that rocks, I love it; followed by The Man With The Golden Gun (a definite disappointment for me)
Casino Royale - stunningly good, I was thrilled, it was lauded universally; followed by the uneven Quantum of Solace (has its moments, for sure; overall, I was disappointed)
The Living Daylights - lovely intro to Dalton's Bond, I still enjoy it; followed by License To Kill (I disliked a lot of it, quite a bit, though I enjoyed Dalton's intensity; a real disappointment for me over all).
Your lists will vary. That's natural. My point is: quality is important, yet so darn hard to get consistently and consecutively in filmmaking and not everyone will agree on what makes a film "quality" entertainment. Did EON try too hard with Spectre? Overreact to the leaks? Make a mess from a bad original script (I really disliked it) - I have no definitive answers and honestly never got into the arguments on it. I just watch the film and take my gut reaction from it, in spite of all the back story. This film is divided in fans' opinions. I enjoyed Spectre overall but do not revisit it or consider it a great Bond film. The general public made it a hit. Longtime Bond fans are not the general public.
I do think EON wants quality every time. They want to hit it out of the ballpark. I don't think they take their legacy for granted. I do have a very good feeling about Bond 25, and so I remain in that frame of mind. B-)
Looking forward to BOND 25.
Interesting. Why those thoughts on CS? For me it feels like a deliberate attempt to strip Bond back down to Fleming after the excesses of the mid-'60s films and general Bondmania...if anything, it anticipates OHMSS, FYEO, and TLD.
I guess it is, but the premesis of M beeing kidnapped doesn't work for me. I find it increadable the head of MI6, supposedly one of the most secret and guarded figures in government, would be that easily kidnapped. It's another 'make it personal' angle we just don't need. Fleming never made such constructs, his stories stay close to what could be for real. And no Chinese Colonel woud be able to pull a stunt off like that without risking full war between China and the UK, which in those days the UK probably would've won.
It's fanboy stuff, a cheap thriller trick (how many thrillers don't have somebody close kidnapped by a sadistic villain?). It's just not Bond.
To a point. I accept more from the movie universe than from the literary world. Allthough I prefer the more 'realistic' films, they're also 1,5 to 2,5 hours of visual entertainment. Films, by their own medium, are lightr and can't delve into the story too much. But TWINE is definately not one of my favorites and Skyfall, allthough very well executed, doesn't bring the thrill like QoS does for me. Still it's a coherent story and the nods to previous films aren't overdone.
SP is worse, as the parts individually are better than the sum.
The books however take far longer to read, take you deeper into the story and thus such a mistake in storytelling jars far more than it would in the cinematic world. I think it's Carte Blanche where Bond goes to IRan, hardly knowing anything about the country, and wondering about the Ekranoplan from the Russians. That's just plain stupid as any spy would kno exactly what was going on in the world and by the books time setting the Ekranoplan was well known to Western Intelligence. I can't accept those basic mistakes in a book, and probably wouldn't accept them in the film either.
The M-abduction in TWINE at least is set-up in such a way (friend of the family) that it would make sense, sort of. But I don't like it and find the choice she makes there highly unprofessional.
Ah, just kiddin' with ya... Actually, I don't generally mind knowing that sort of thing. Or the title. But last time around, knowing who had been cast as Oberhauser DID kind of give away the Big Surprise Twist in the plot. Once bitten, twice shy. Oh, you say THAT'S the movie's title? Geeze, it's getting harder & harder to go spoiler-free these days...
As I've mentioned before, I do like to know some things - but not the plot. I didn't watch the reveal; I was sleeping. I do want to know more about the cast; so I have a little info now and am happy. But I won't be putting any of that on this thread.
And I think Madeline snuffs it in the PTS as the actress hardly said Jack-shit in the reveal.
MOD EDIT: Why would this be shared here with no spoiler tags? That didn't last long.
I'm still trying to convince myself that I won't even watch the trailers before seeing the film, but I feel like I'll immediately cave when the time does come.
So to all regular members who enjoy this Originals thread and come here to NOT have spoilers about Bond 25, please do not click into the spoiler tag for Barry's above comment. Thanks.
Now onward we go.
Why would they give away parts of the story already anyway? I just don't get that. Are they afraid of hackers so much they just open up the doors?
Anyway, it'll be very difficult from no on, that's for sure.
Folks, when we put a spoiler tag on THIS thread, it's best to ignore it, simply because it is the general consensus here not to chat about speculation or confirmed news on Bond 25.
You can see the scene here (although this video is clips from several scenes):
You welcome! Not an "Original Fan" myself, but dropped in to comment re. CR67. I watched the film earlier this year, and have a little bit of a soft spot it, despite its many flaws. I also recommend watching this interview with director Joseph McGrath, as you get to learn quite a bit about the (troubled) production:
CR67 can be quite enjoyable if approached correctly, as @Birdleson put it. Worth the watch if you're in the mood for a David Niven/Peter Sellers comedy!