SirHenryLeeChaChing's For Original Fans - Favorite Moments In NTTD (spoilers)

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  • edited February 2014 Posts: 2,341
    A word on the dubbing. It is prevalent in the early Bonds.
    Ursula Andress (Austrian) was dubbed in DN
    Diniela Bianchi (Italiana) was dubbed in FRWL (guess it was too much of a stretch to get this Italian beauty contestant to do a Russkaya accent)
    Gert Frobe (German) was dubbed in GF. He did speak English, but his Teutonic accent was so friggin thick that he had to be dubbed.
    Adolfo Celi and Claudine Auger (Italian and French respectively) were dubbed for TB.
    I think the last dubbing we find is when Hunt decided to loop Baker's voice over Lazenby when he was posing as Sir Hilary (never understood his reasoning but personally I don't think it was necessary)

    Thats my two cents...
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    A word on the dubbing. It is prevalent in the early Bonds.
    Ursula Andress (Austrian) was dubbed in DN
    Diniela Bianchi (Italiana) was dubbed in FRWL (guess it was too much of a stretch to get this Italian beauty contestant to do a Russkaya accent)
    Gert Frobe (German) was dubbed in GF. He did speak English, but his Teutonic accent was so friggin thick that he had to be dubbed.
    Adolfo Celi and Claudine Auger (Italian and French respectively) were dubbed for TB.
    I think the last dubbing we find is when Hunt decided to loop Baker's voice over Lazenby when he was posing as Sir Hilary (never understood his reasoning but personally I don't think it was necessary)

    Thats my two cents...

    Actually you could say the last dubbing was used in DAF.

    Cai...Cai...CAIRO!

    And the times Blofeld was pretending to be Willard Whyte and Bond pretending to be Burt Saxby.
  • BAIN123 wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    And yes, I even liked the winking fish.

    Aaah how can you like that @chrisisall ?!

    #-o

    I've never been too bothered by the winking fish. More Felix's unusual happiness and the fact that Bond seems to quickly be offered his job back by M after going rogue.



    My sentiments exactly!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    And yes, I even liked the winking fish.
    Aaah how can you like that @chrisisall ?!
    #-o
    I've never been too bothered by the winking fish. More Felix's unusual happiness and the fact that Bond seems to quickly be offered his job back by M after going rogue.
    My sentiments exactly!
    More money & production time could have corrected this, but as B-Bonds go, it was near perfection anyway IMO.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Birdleson wrote:
    I thought that we weren't supposed to be ragging on people's picks on this thread.
    Yeah, just the positives.
    I love 'em all to different degrees.
    Even MR.... to the smallest degree... still some love there for Barry & Moore...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Indeed. I know it is nearly impossible not to comment on the winking fish or happy, cheerful Felix at the end of LTK ... but yeah, let's not turn this into a film critique time. I can find fault with every single Bond film, but I do find redeemable things in all of them, too (yes, even DAD). The purpose is not to examine the film, just share what we like about it and why it is our favorite. It's interesting to read about what people really enjoy and get out of their favorite Bond films.

    So ...mostly, I want us to share what we love about a film and others can comment as they like, but try to keep it away from bringing up faults in a film or telling the poster you have no idea why on earth they would feel that way about that film, etc.

    So far, we are okay. Keep 'em coming, please! I really enjoy reading about your favorite Bond films. Thanks!! :)>-
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,480
    Interesting mention about the dubbing, too, @OHMSS69. Yes, the earlier films did it often enough. They didn't think twice about dubbing someone.

  • Posts: 2,341
    I couldn't agree more with the reminders that we are not here to bash a film. If there is a particular film that someone says is their favorite, then I do not make any comments on that film.
    I will applaud and comment on peoples choices that I like. I will keep my crude comments
    that knock someone's choice to myself.
    Clue: If I do not comment then that is the red flag that I did not care for that particular film. There are other places where we can slam this film or that film.
    That being said, I sign out for today...
    You're all beautiful.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Cheers, @OHMSS69!

    I can still find something to say about films I don't much care for (see my mention of the wonderful Diana Rigg in OHMSS or Pam in LTK being one of my fav Bond girls), but it takes a moment or two. Or I will, at the very least, be happy to read everyone else's favorites, even when I don't agree with them on everything about those films.

    We will do more critique style posts another time. Please join in and share your favorite Bond films. And I will get my 3rd one done late today.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I want to thank you, @Birdleson, for giving us this glimpse of your life with Bond, how you felt about the films as they came out, your take (in general) of Bond. This was great to read - and it made me go back to my ups and downs with my favorite British spy. Yes, it was at times a long, strange trip for me ... but I'm glad I kept the faith. You are 100% right about Casino Royale revitalizing the series, getting many (so many!) of us truly excited about Bond films again. What a great ending it was, with the perfectly placed Bond theme music. I felt my adrenaline surge right through the theatre roof. Now that's Bond! As for Craig, he blew me away. I didn't know him before the film, and I tried to have an open mind (he did not look like my typical Bond!). Well it didn't take long. The man can act. As I mentioned in my quite lengthy review on this thread), Craig had me at "I know where you keep your gun." B-) I think plenty of members here could chime in with high marks for Casino Royale.

    I was trying to decide on my 3rd Bond film and I was leaning towards Casino Royale or Skyfall. Both are great, great Bond films in my opinion. However, I am going to detour and list another genuine favorite of mine: Tomorrow Never Dies. Which is sure to have some folks biting their tongues - but hey, thank you for that courtesy. :D My appreciation for what I consider to be Brosnan's best Bond is coming up shortly.

    Anyone list Casino Royale as one of your favorites? Please do tell.

    Cheers!
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    I rank Casino Royale very high on my list. The opening PTS shot in glorious black and white (no gun barrel kinda threw me at first) then the opening credits. With those bright colors and that kick ass song blaring thru the speakers. I just thought: "Wow" I loved those cardboard cutouts dancing across the screen. No nude women like we had grown accustomed to with Bond credits. It's an interesting take and I liked it.

    Notice how the opening credits for QoS and SF are gritty and use a lot of drab colors while CR just assaults the senses with those bright reds, yellows, oranges. Maybe it's just me.

    CR is a damned good movie. Updated from the novel with Texas hold em replacing baccarat. A game most laymen do not understand or know how to play but we can relate to poker! I think the cast is top notch. Not since LTK has a film been so meticulously cast.

    And of course, Daniel Craig. When I first heard the announcement that he would be the new Bond I had mixed feelings. I was happy that Brosnan had been shit canned but I was not thrilled with Craig's physical appearance. Blond and too short! But the MAN CAN ACT. I was sold after the PTS and I have been tooting his horn since.
  • The top tier, for me, is Goldfinger, From Russia With Love, Casino Royale, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, GoldenEye, Skyfall, Dr. No, and The Spy Who Loved Me.

    Goldfinger is the greatest of all of these because it is the template for all future Bond movies and the launching point of Bondamania. Without it, the series might not still exist. It possesses the greatest villain, the greatest henchman, the greatest PTS, the greatest theme song, and one of the best plots and Bond girls. Connery's performance throughout the movie is a brilliant combination of Bond's intelligence, strength, suavity, and even his humanity, as he is powerless against Goldfinger's plot for most of the movie, and is forced to use his wits to strike at critical moments.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 2,341
    I never rank the films 1-23, best to worst. I can name my favorite 3-4 and my bottom 3-4 and the rest just fall in the middle.

    As for Soundofthesinners and Birdleson comments regarding GF
    This is the definitive Bond film. It was here where the formula becomes established and will show up in the rest of the franchise. There are a few exceptions but for the majority of the time the films have stuck to this formula.

    That theme song and instrumentals of that tune are the most recognizable of Bond music 2nd only to the James Bond theme itself. It is funny to hear that Harry Salzman hated the song and demanded that Barry change it.

    Yes, GoldFinger had it all and to top it off: Sir Sean was in his prime.

    Forgive the double post, I hit the post button twice.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,480
    My 3rd mention of one of my favorite Bond films:
    Tomorrow Never Dies

    I enjoy this film a lot because I find Pierce to be in best form, and I think this is his finest Bond (though I do enjoy the older Pierce in much of DAD, too). 8->
    And may I say, although I found Carver to be a bit weak, Paris not up to par, and some of the action overdone towards the end ... the good points far outweigh the negatives in this Bond film for me. Great PTS. The music is better, too! This film was, and is, a great adventure: fun, exciting, has Michelle Yeoh in a great kick-ass role and nicely partnered with Bond, and gives me a strong and memorable Bond from Pierce Brosnan. Indeed, he is the main reason why I rate this film so highly. The story line was contemporary and yet had a retro feel. I still enjoy it to this day, and I think I always will.

    Shamelessly borrowing from my earlier review on this thread, here some of my reasons why TND is one of my favorite Bond films -

    Pierce Brosnan as Bond - Stronger, more well rounded than in Goldeneye. Pierce finds his own take on Bond - and he is in grand form indeed. Elegant yet rougher, definitely tougher, and a more fully well rounded Bond. Brosnan is clearly more comfortable as James Bond, and he shows us several facets of Bond's character, including a moving glimpse of the pain and emotional core that is buried deep inside. Pierce's moments as Bond in his hotel room, with Paris lying there dead, were simultaneously touching, achingly real, and very Bond. One of my favorite scenes of Brosnan's, ever. His give and take with the truly twisted (and oddly humorous in this otherwise grim and dramatic setting) Dr. Kaufman was, I thought, absolutely perfect. You could see Bond seizing up inside, solidifying his cold determination to kill Kaufman for what he did to Paris, and at the same time he is connected to her with genuine love and regret. Indeed, even just the brief scene of him waiting in his hotel room, downing vodka, and Paris shows up; that was well done, too. The rest of the film showed Brosnan in control, very good during the action scenes, and with excellent rapport with Q and Wai Lin, in particular. He handled the one liners with more ease, too. Overall, very satisfying and a Bond I love to watch again and again.

    Yes, I adore Sean, I love Roger and Timothy, I admire and enjoy Daniel tremendously, but also please give me Pierce Brosnan as Bond any day. The Bond from Goldeneye and TND, with a smidgeon from DAD thrown in. (TWINE was up and down for me mostly.) One of my favorite Bond films, and one that will stay towards the top half of my list I am sure. :-bd
    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
    Oh and thank you for putting your knives away.
    You can share what you like about TND - you can even disagree with me, but no major critiques, ok?

    And I hope to hear from more of you - please share your favorite Bond films and why you love them.

    Cheers! Onwards to a great weekend for all, I hope ~
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2014 Posts: 12,480
    As for Goldfinger - iconic is the word!
    Fantastic, best ever theme song; Shirley painted in gold; Sean in fine form. A very good Bond film indeed.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Thank you for that positive. :)

    I think others find plenty of fault with TND but there are portions of it that many enjoy, too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I enjoy this film a lot because I find Pierce to be in best form, and I think this is his finest Bond
    Well, you know I'm in total agreement here as it is my 3rd favourite Bond movie. =D>
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 2,341
    Pierce had a better haircut and he seemed more comfortable this time around. The scene in the hotel room with Dr. Kaufman is one my all time favorites during the Brosnan age.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, I love that scene! Vincent S. was perfect as Dr. Kaufman! Very memorable.

    Haircut - yes, he looks best (for me) in TND. I did not like his haircut in TWINE. He also gained muscle for TND; he was a good deal lighter in Goldeneye.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    He also gained muscle for TND; he was a good deal lighter in Goldeneye.

    A girl tends to notice little things like that. ;)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Sometimes ... yes. :)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Sometimes ... yes. :)
    Were I a female, I'd say Pierce looked his absolute most alluring in After The Sunset. I know I wish I looked like that NOW (and I'm younger). B-)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Oh I liked After the Sunset for sure. But gimme Pierce in The Thomas Crown Affair or Tomorrow Never Dies or, well, even the last photo I just saw of him. Oh yeah. ;)
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    I just want to say after watching it Quantum of Solace is just incredibly underrated. I like it so much; there's so much good about it people just seemed to miss. It's not flawless, but so much better than almost anyone sees it for. Casino Royale is my all-time favorite Bond film, but QoS is in my Top 10 too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Oh I liked After the Sunset for sure. But gimme Pierce in The Thomas Crown Affair or Tomorrow Never Dies or, well, even the last photo I just saw of him. Oh yeah. ;)
    He's as attractive as Jane Seymour from a male perspective... HEY! I'd LOVE to see the both of them in a movie today! What do you think @4EverBonded?
    Can we start an Internet petition?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Jane and Pierce would be awesome! As awesome as Pierce and Salma, I think. Or Pierce and Rene - they were so great together in TTCA. AND get him with Monica Belluci in a film, still! That would be oh so good.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Jane and Pierce would be awesome! As awesome as Pierce and Salma, I think. Or Pierce and Rene - they were so great together in TTCA. AND get him with Monica Belluci in a film, still! That would be oh so good.
    We think too alike here... romantics where your favourite (& my 2nd favourite) Bond actor is concerned.
    :x
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    FoxRox wrote:
    I just want to say after watching it Quantum of Solace is just incredibly underrated. I like it so much; there's so much good about it people just seemed to miss. It's not flawless, but so much better than almost anyone sees it for. Casino Royale is my all-time favorite Bond film, but QoS is in my Top 10 too.

    Thanks for joining in, @FoxRox. I think QOA will be, and is starting to be, more appreciated over time (even with flaws). What are your favorite scenes? Or what makes it most memorable for you? I do love the entire Opera sequence and the very excellent ending.


  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Have to say @4EverBonded that TND is my favourite Brosnan Bond, it is the one of his that I most watch.
  • Posts: 12,522
    FoxRox wrote:
    I just want to say after watching it Quantum of Solace is just incredibly underrated. I like it so much; there's so much good about it people just seemed to miss. It's not flawless, but so much better than almost anyone sees it for. Casino Royale is my all-time favorite Bond film, but QoS is in my Top 10 too.

    Thanks for joining in, @FoxRox. I think QOA will be, and is starting to be, more appreciated over time (even with flaws). What are your favorite scenes? Or what makes it most memorable for you? I do love the entire Opera sequence and the very excellent ending.

    I love the pre-title sequence, opera house scene, climax at the Bolivian hotel, and last scenes in Russia the most. It was memorable for me because it was the only really direct sequel in the series, and I thought the Quantum organization was a great idea. I also like how it's not afraid to be one of the darkest and most serious Bond films.
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