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Huge news, and a total reboot is probably the best thing to do even though I like the last incarnations of Supes and Batman.
Cavil for Bond?
Despite the fact they had some solid casting in place, a total reboot probably is the smartest move for DC right now.
It’s hard to blame anyone, because it seemed to go all around. WB gave Snyder full creative control and he didn’t deliver. Joss Whedon was apparently being Joss Whedon. Ray Fisher had an ego problem. Patty Jenkins is hit and miss with her Wonder Woman entries. Ben Affleck needed to drop out (aside from cameos) for the sake of his mental health. Cavill doesn’t play ball. Ezra Miller is a psychopath. The guy from Discovery company took over and is burning everything to the ground beyond DC stuff.
What a wild timeline.
How do you mean? Not sure I’ve been following it very closely.
I am not the biggest Cavill fan, but from what I hear from ppl who have worked with him, he's the genuine article.
In fact, a very good friend of mine co-starred with Cavill in The Immortal and The Tudors and said he's the nicest actor he's worked with. To this day they've remained friends.
I actually feel for him: the studio did ask him to announce his return. He does so.
Then his agent was able to release him from a successful television series (which was lucrative for both Henry and his team).
Then new bosses come in.
Then...he's fired.
It's all part of the biz and it's very cold.
But as far as Cavill is concerned, anecdotally, the guy is a team player and seemingly a genuine person in a very disingenuous business.
That's actually pleasant to read. Cavill always looks committed and nice from behind-the-scenes material that I've seen. Then again, actors don't necessarily stop acting behind the scenes, so there's always a mild level of distrust involved as well. ;-)
Is your friend's name Alan? :)
As McClane said to Argyl: you’re very fast @mtm …
I know I am not representing the majority opinion, but I felt that Snyder had some great ideas. Dark? Yes. Typical fun-for-the-whole-family entertainment? No. But good stuff, nevertheless. He stepped out too soon for me; I wanted to keep peeling that onion a bit longer. But now it seems that pretty much everything in the DCEU is fizzeling out. I regret that, especially because of the cast. But fine, they can start anew. The only thing I don't want is a blatant copy of the happy MCU. Since these films cost colossal amounts of money, however, another dark series is most likely out of the question.
It didn’t go down exactly like that.
I think the best model would be Bruce Tim’s DCAU, where the projects can take place in the same universe but largely remain separate (aside from an occasional crossover) without any gimmicky hooks for other projects. BATMAN, SUPERMAN, BATMAN BEYOND, and JUSTICE LEAGUE all felt like very distinct shows but were still cohesive.
Theoretically, THE BATMAN series with Pattinson will remain their own thing without cramming in stuff from other films, and then maybe they can do a JUSTICE LEAGUE film with whoever the new Superman, Wonder Woman, etc will be, but that will remain exclusive to the JL films so they’ll more special that way.
Having watched WAKANDA FOREVER, I liked it but thought it could have done away with the the extra characters that were inserted to promote other MCU stuff like IRON HEART, not feeling integral to the main story. That’s the kind of over-saturation a new DCU should avoid.
No, he didn't. From what I heard, it seemed like his departure from The Witcher had a lot more to do with creative issues than anything to do with WB, shown largely by the fact that he didn't have a Superman contract when he decided to quit the role in the Netflix show.
Absolutely…
If they're starting from scratch again, I fear it's too late for any sort of major impact to be made. Superhero movies feel like ten-a-penny westerns now, just with massively inflated costs and therefore inflated risks. Standing out is going to be difficult, even for a new Superman.
It's why I thought just making standalone films with the current cast would have been the better option, for now.
So he quit rather than stick around. Doesn’t sound so loyal. Eon wouldn’t like that.
Not pursuing a project that they love because someone is changing it beyond recognition is not something I'd hold against an individual, personally.
I adore Bruce Timm's DCAU but we may be overestimating its potential as a template for a live-action series that is supposed to lure the big masses. Don't get me wrong, to go there might be the spark of genius we've been waiting for since Nolan wrapped up his trilogy (and some even before that.) I'm just not sure how many people besides us, Timm & Dini cultists, would be interested in that specific iteration of the DC universe. They can certainly try -- and I'd be all for it. The Arkham games did well, so who knows...
There were many moving parts, @MakeshiftPython and I think you’re giving too much credit to an actor having this must clout that he could quit his contractual obligations and not get sued. Cavill has a team of advisors, and yes there was an opportunity for them to leave The Witcher. Unfortunately for the actor, he and his advisors were somewhat blindsided by the changes at WB. But if Cavill was the spoilt brute who just quit a series while under contract, then the producers of The Witcher could sue him. But from what I heard, the executives on The Witcher made the separation amicable (as in he had the possibility of returning to the SM character and they didn’t put up obstacles (as another network did to Pierce Brosnan way back in ‘86/87)).
Did he though? There was never an actual film down for production, was there? I guess that's as far as we know, anyway. And I guess The Witcher people need plenty of notice, but it seems a bit odd to drop a job for one which has no director or script, let alone shooting dates.
I’m thinking with a producer’s mindset. What reasons are there to not hire Cavill? It’s not fair, but we see how Hollywood works.
Even without all that, Cavill has already done too many high profile blockbuster films to be considered for Bond.
=))
It was revenge for Cavill leaving The Witcher, and a lot of other things. And there was nothing that we could do about it. The Witcher was a made man, and Cavill wasn't. And we had to sit still and take it. It was real Hollywood backstabbing. They even had Cavill shoot a cameo in Black Adam and announce a new Superman film so that his mother wouldn't go to his next premiere out of sheer embarrassment.
I see what you mean, but I think of all of them Superman is still the one which may have the clout to rise above; he is the daddy, after all. I think there's something special about Superman, still.
Batman did have that, but I feel like he's been done to death now, sadly.