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I don't care for any of Brosnan's. I think the GE music is the coolest but Brosnan's stiff walk and his stiff stand, so "off" and the CGI...in a word: SUCKED
I like OHMSS and DAF with the spectrum look to the gunbarrell
GL - OHMSS
RM - LALD
TD - LTK
PB - GE
DC - SPECTRE
GL - OHMSS
RM - LALD
TD - LTK
PB - TWINE
DC - SPECTRE
The GB and tank chase are the only parts of the GE score I like. The GB is cool, that's why I like it.
"Pan with a wooden spoon" comment made me laugh! I get what you mean. But the rest of the PB GB's don't erupt into the proper Bond theme anyhow, so they are all floored. LTK was the last example of this.
Agreed but still better than Serra's din if you really have to pick a Brosnan one.
Disagreed. The start is just noise before the Bond theme kicks in half way through.
TLD the last one for me that wasnt flawed in one way or another.
The QOS one is sped up too much.
The close-up of his eyes in SF is good but the way he walks towards the camera reminds me too much of Robert Patrick in T2.
During the SP one his arm sticks out really awkwardly.
I confess to liking the GE one.
Agreed. Oddly enough Craig has filmed more gunbarrels than any other Bond to date, but has yet to have a proper gunbarrel. SP being the closest but marred.
Dan has filmed a new one each time hasn't he? And apart from CR (which is an exception and doesn't really count) they've all been pretty awful. I don't understand why it's so hard to get right?
1. Put it at the beginning.
2. Use the updated CGI Binder design of the Brosnan era.
3. Use the music from the FRWL GB.
4. Keep doing retakes until Dan doesn't walk like a dick.
It's really not that difficult.
'Getting better'. Says it all. He's only been Bond 10 years. If he does another 5 films they might nail it by the last one.
Just watched this:
and it struck me that the up until TLD I like them all but TLD is the last one I am totally happy with*. From there on I have issues with some aspect or another on every one.
* CR gets a free pass because it rocks.
I'm not disagreeing with you @TheWizardOfIce. They should have got it right first time in Casino Royale. All they had to do, is open CR with the Brosnan era gun barrel, with Craig and a new theme. Why it has taken them 4 films (and it's still not 100%) to get 20 seconds right, is beyond me.
I have like a couple of them since TLD, such as LTK, GE, TND, TWINE, DAD and SP.
I never noticed the gun in his hand, I will go back and watch it again.
I agree with you about QoS. It was the most screwed up one of Craig's.
SP we all love because the gunbarrel has the classic look instead of the funky one we were treated to since DAD
4 might be...
Agreed that TLD GB music is perfect. But the LTK GB (noise before the Bond theme) really suits the 'mood' of the film and puts Kamens individual stamp on the sequence.
LTK and that change in the music gives the feeling that this movie is going to pull out all the stops and so hang on to your seats...
I was always curious about how the first three films (DN thru GF) the red wash looks diluted and it was not until TB and beyond that we get the heavy blood red wash that just shrouds everything. This was not the case in the first three films. Anyone have a comment on this or why?
Maybe iron was more expensive back then. It is iron that gives blood the deep red colour.
CR was superb, but it was just a turn to camera and shoot, and was cleverly done for the film! QOS was way too fast! SP was much improved, i still dont know why Mendes didn't use one at the start of SF. His excuse that it was too similar to Bonds entrance didn't wash with me!
Goldfinger, I suppose is my favorite in terms of classic Bondian music, the pose and so forth. Also Bob Simmons was filmed with a real gunbarrel and pinhole camera. No fake CGI here.
For Sean himself, I'll go with Diamonds. The music completely suits the film, the design has that cool rippling effect, and I actually don't mind The Connery Stumble.
George- a GREAT gunbarrel sequence.
For Roger, LALD with OP second. I think I'm one of the few fans who prefer the somewhat same-ish John Barry music for the GB as opposed to mixing it up as per TND.
Tim- TLD for the same reason. The traditional Barry GB sound.
Pierce- DAD- get rid of the bullet and repeat the guitar riff a second time and you'd have the closest thing to a classic Bond gunbarrel since Daylights.
Daniel- none of them.
Agree with you there. FRWL and GF are very close but I think the twang of the guitar is just a bit off timing wise in FRWL. It should start as Bond fires. Bob does have a good pose but has to lose marks for sticking his foot out the side of the GB.
Well Sean's pose is horrendous and having just watched them all back to back I just noticed something else. What is he doing with his left arm about half a second before he shoots? It's only a split second but he flaps it about all over the place. Strange the things you see on a big telly. Add in the stumble and the wobble and I think Sean must have spent the morning before the shoot wandering 'round the wildfowl park in Pepperstock, with a bottle of Scotch'. But, Sean's drunken antics aside, all of his three GBs are very good with YOLT and DAF having a very tight tussle for coolest music.
George's nonchalance is uber cool as is the one knee pose. But personally never really liked the arrangement Barry uses here and of course there's the mistake with the blood washing him away.
I don't think there's a single Rog one I dislike either visually or musically. You're not alone there. How I miss the sections of the Bond theme used in pretty much every GB from 62-87.
Tim's walk and pose is class and the TLD music is the last classic arrangement (and Barry's last). Thank Christ they went with that one rather than this where he looks like he's been tasered:
Spot on. Do I detect influences of the YOLT musical arrangement at the start too?
As I stated before I'll let CR off as the turn and fire is possibly the best of all and the opening bars of YKMN are the bollocks. Totally agree that his others are poor. QOS the nadir and they get ever so slightly better with each passing film.
Also I see people criticising the SP one for him showing the gun in his hand but I just noticed he actually does this slightly in SF as well.
Poor old Dan just doesn't seem able to nail it. I wonder if it's because he's an actor and needs to be in the scene? The CR one he nails, as he does the turn and shot hanging off the rope in QOS but filming a GB is more like modelling than acting and its noticeable George smashes it out of the park on his only attempt. Dan has had 3 cracks at it now and looks awkward and stilted in every one.
Still, @ToTheRight, good summary and appropriately, for a discussion about GBs, you are largely bang on with your points.
Thanks! One trend I'm noticing with the recent Dan GB sequences- the lack of the post fire wobble. His gunbarrels just fade out. That limits the composer a bit from performing the guitar/string melody twice hence maybe why the music isn't so traditional.
Also on SP, the image dims a bit before the blood falls. In addition, it would seem as if Newman wasn't certain which style of GB music to use so decided to combine them. To me it didn't quite work. I will give kudos, though for returning it to the beginning, and on SP the hue of the blood is improved.
Speaking of the blood, in 35mm prints of the earlier films when viewed on the big screen, Binders blood is consistently a rich, thick primary red. Especially from TB-LTK.
I saw a crappy print of TB once and yet the blood was consistent. It looked great. Some of the DVDs tend to look a bit orange. The blu rays do come close, but not quite.
Meh.
I don't know what it is about Dan's turn and shot (particularly QOS - but the other two aren't much better) but it's almost like it's done in CGI. Just doesn't look natural at all. It seems like all his muscles are too tense. Compare Dan's robotic walk with Laz's swaggering effortlessness.
Obviously the QOS one is appalling from start to finish but with SF the dismal barrel design is not only aesthetically awful but defies all known logic when seconds afterwards they have the '50 years of Bond graphic' using the original Binder design. So the iconic Binder design is what you use when you want to plug the 50th anniversary but for the actual 50th anniversary film you throw it out the window and go with something completely different (and considerably shitter)? As bizarre as it is wrong.
SP a small step in that we get the Binder design back (although it's still a backward step compared to the Broz era design) but I can't really ignore the laughably pretentious 'dead are alive' bollocks as easily as some. After all the criticism last time you'd think Mendes would have said to himself 'I'd better not piss around with it this time' but the guy just couldn't help himself.
Well the reason for no wobble is that there is nothing to fade into. Due to the idiotic placement of the first two you've only got the end titles - despite the sensational opening shot in QOS being perfect for a GB to open up on.
With SP it's in the right place and again we have a nice exotic opening shot to open it up on but no - Mendes' wanky student symbolism about life and death being rammed down our throat is more important than just doing his job competently.
Unlike you I will not give kudos to SP for returning it to the beginning. You get kudos for doing something good not for taking a massive, runny, Vindaloo fuelled shit all over my white carpet but then generously arranging to have it steam cleaned.
As for the blood it's awful throughout the Craig era; unless since 2002 there was some cosmic disturbance Brian Cox never told us about that has increased the earth's gravity threefold and makes everything fall at an accelerated rate in which case it's perfectly fine.
YOLT and DAF, from Barry's most glorious period, are also terrific and hard-edged. Afterward, Barry's gunbarrels became quieter, with the guitar replaced by strings. I like Conti's garish, more-cowbell arrangement in FYEO because it restores some of the Bond bombast. LTK makes some interesting but mild experiments. GE is dull, both in terms of music and Brosnan's position. Craig's gun barrels sound phoned-in.
My personal favorite is a toss up between FYEO & LTK
He also must have loved those 60's films I guess.