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Good points everyone. Even George Lucas said that Indy 4 and the Prequels were too overhyped for everyone to enjoy.
The reviews have really dampened my enthusiasm for this film, I must admit (and I was really excited): but that might be exactly what I needed, funnily enough. I don't feel overhyped now, so maybe there's less risk of disappointment.
Look at all the big stars they have a flash, then they get ripped and then they get their comeback. Eddie Murphy springs to mind. Everything he touched turned to gold in the 80's and 90's. Then he goes into the wilderness for a bit. Lately we are hearing more good things about him. Who knows how Beverly Cop 4 will turn out I guarantee some will go out of their way to proclaim him a comedic genius again.
I thought DoD would receive this treatment. Somewhat surprised by the reviews and the scores. Although they are taking pains to single out Ford for a terrific performance and really isn't that what we all want?
It shall be interesting to see once the movie releases how it is received. I am going to watch it and will take my sons. I am sure we will enjoy it for what it is. I am not expecting Raiders or even Doom, or even Skull. I am expecting an entertaining popcorn movie with some good characters and story.
Tell that to Jake Lloyd.
https://deadline.com/2023/06/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-box-office-projection-1235412010/
Hey, that's what we want to hear.
https://gizmodo.com/indiana-jones-5-review-harrison-ford-dial-of-destiny-1850518708
Was surprised to learn that Doom was the lowest ranked Indy movie based on Rotten Tomatoes. Skull was actually ahead of it in RT score. I do remember when Doom came out everyone was expecting another Raiders. I applaud the creative team for attempting something different, one could argue too much different. I wasn't a fan as a kid, it has grown on me since.
Wow, I loathe the refrigerator scene to my core; it was the first warning sign that there was going to be trouble with the film.
100%. That refrigerator scene is such a throwaway moment compared to how absolutely horrible the entirety of the jungle sequence looks and how long it goes on for. Terrible stuff.
I actually think the refrigerator scene is one of the few "peak Indy" moments that the film has. It would fit in perfectly with the trilogies most escapist moments, like falling out of a plane in a dinghy!
The criticism of it as an individual moment has always confused me a bit. It's executed very well and the shot of Indy looking up at the mushroom cloud is superb.
The problems the film have for me are that there's no real story for the main characters (Indy and Mutt go from getting on pretty well to getting on pretty well), there's little motivation for Indy (why does he go on the trip? Some kid he doesn't know says that some guy he used to know but never really liked much has maybe gone missing whilst looking for something he doesn't believe exists- this is low stakes stuff), and just in general the film has a lack of peril or the heightened danger I want from an adventure movie. At the climax of ToD look how dangerous and extreme everything feels: they're barely staying alive, and then there's the extreme tension of the bridge etc. - it's hugely exciting. Compared to Skull where you never really feel they're in much danger.. it's all a bit gas mark 3 on a lower simmer, whereas the first three were all at boiling point.
As long as DOD gives Indy a damned good reason to go, and it feels like he's in real danger and peril and there are some good jokes, then I'll be happy.
Couldn't agree more. I'd say each film has one or two of those "impossible, ludicrous, yet awesome" moments, and the refrigerator scene is certainly one of those for me.
He most certainly is not Henry.
100%. Those are the moments that linger for me. Perhaps one of the reasons why people dislike it so much is because it didn't have the same emphasis on practical effects (not that it possibly could!).
This ties in with my confusion of people's criticism of DoD, and that Tuk-Tuk chase in particular. I don't see the bad effects that they are seeing. It looks like Mangold has tried very hard to be as practical as he could.
It genuinely feels like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" style scenario with many franchises now, not just Indy. People are so incensed by the potential for their heroes to not be done justice thematically, that they literally attack every single detail of the filmmaking.
Fair enough. I'd say there's quite a few in the film world who would disagree with you though! :)