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Ever since the awful Episodes 1 through 3, I haven't cared about the future of Star Wars any more, and never watched any of those three again, nor any later prequels or spin-offs (but the original trilogy about ten times or so, albeit in the Lucas-sanitized form). I couldn't care less if Disney & Co are losing money big time on SW, and likewise on the last IJ film. It's that I have seen it and liked it what counts. I just hope they stick around until the Blu-ray and the soundtrack CD are available, so I can also own it for future viewings and listening.
Count me out on all of the (other) superhero franchises as well. At present, James Bond is the only franchise that I care about to be continued. And NTTD, I guess, wasn't that much of a bomb.
I have been trying to get my hands on Staff Of Kings for PS2, not an easy find these days. It's a shame that the in development Indy game will be a victim of Microsofts land grab of developers.
I guess we shouldn’t expect an Indy 6 anytime soon!
It is not a bad movie generally speaking, but it doesn’t feel like a true Indy film. It has the ingredients but lacks the DNA that Spielberg injected in it with his ability to fill almost every image with virtuosity and heart.
Did you even ever see KOTCS and DOD?
Tough luck.
Why is it tough luck?
I saw the majority of the films at the cinema, whats your point?
Some people tend to hate on things when they didn't even saw it on the first place, if you've actually seen them, then it is valid.
Tough luck because you're pretty alone here with that unequivocal (i.e. nonsensical) damnation, and most others here have at least a balanced opinion. But I also suppose you haven't even watched it, or you wouldn't write that kind of stuff without further explanations.
When I watched KOTCS at the cinema I got a lot more than I did from DOD, I love Indy though DOD was a film too far and I have issues with other aspects of the film.
One of my greatest ever cinema experiences was watching Last Crusade, I got the cinema poster also from the theater which I regret not preserving.
I was just thinking I've enjoyed all 5 Indy movies. Even the much-maligned Crystal Skull, which needed another script pass, is a film bursting with cool ideas and fun moments. I'm happy I feel this way about this film series.
What did you think of the
I loved it myself.
It is possible to dislike DoD without being a wackadoddle.
Of course. And I didn't call him that. But freedom of opinion doesn't mean everyone has to agree - in fact, quite the contrary. Outspoken opinions tend to trigger negative reactions as well, because the others (in this case, I believe, even the majority) have freedom of opinion as well. And that happens mostly when we get statements like "the recent film is insulting and I do not acknowledge it" without any further explanation. Most people here don't see anything insulting, and therefore don't care if a single poster "doesn't acknowledge" the film.
I immediately realized within the first few minutes that this was going to be a very different film once German characters started carrying dialogue in their native language, subtitled. Spielberg across all his films has avoided relying on subtitles, preferring to have characters speak in English. If they ever speak a different language it’s usually paraphrased by someone else in English or conveyed visually in a way that we can understand the context of what’s being said. For example, Indy and Short Round at one point start arguing in Chinese. Unless you speak it, you’ll never know what they’re saying exactly, but you understand the context of their argument.
That is just ONE of the many things that initially threw me off from the movie feeling like a piece of the series. I’ll get more into it later.
The twist in any other film would be OK, though I felt it was an anti climax in Indy film.
I am happy many enjoyed the film, I rather remember Indy in previous films.
I can see where you're coming from, but in what language should they talk? (Apart from the fact that not all of the German-sounding phrases are really German in this movie. Not as bad as in "Die Hard" where most is gibberish, but still.) I remember the discussion about "Stauffenberg" starring Tom Cruise, where people complained that "although it is in English, he should at least have used a German accent". That's complete nonsense, as normal English here takes the place of the German they really spoke. Germans don't speak English with a German accent with each other.
If you make a movie or a theatre production that plays in a foreign country (be it a performance of Hamlet in Denmark or an English production of Hitler's last days), your best bet is to use your own (English) language, with a minimum of accent, since it doesn't make sense. I live in a country that (IMO today, unfortunately) dubs almost any foreign movie in its own language before it gets into the cinemas. But what it taught us is that when John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart or Sean Connery seems to talk German, they really speak English. You get used to it and never question why the hell they speak German, because you know they really don't.
Now I hate dubbed movies and always watch the originals when possible. But in a setting where different languages are spoken, keeping the originals, combined with subtitles for the non-speakers of the foreign language make the most sense.
Some Indy related thingy i've found recently.
I've always wanted to see what a script doctor who knows about how to structure a plot and make character stories work would do with Crystal Skull. Because yeah: there's enough good stuff in there, it just doesn't all fit together. Sort out the motivations, put some themes in there.. it could work, and I'd love for someone to figure out how.
I don't worry any more about Crystal Skull. It is what it is, and it passed my personal scrutiny as good enough (it did from the beginning). And DOD is quite a bit better. So I can't see why so many people are still complaining. You won't get another IJ movie better than this either way.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about Skull and I like that we got it, and indeed there's much it had that I wish DOD had. I'm actually just more fascinated about how it could be made to work better, because I think it could.
That's fine, but on the level of myself repeatedly wondering how they could have re-edited QOS to make it a proper Bond film. Neither will happen.
He didn’t had any impact back then and a couple of Transformers movies after that he started a path that led to destroying his career, forcing Lucasfilm to keep his character away from the last chapter.
Ah, forgot to mention that I found Phoebe’s character extremely annoying.
Praying for EoN to keep her away from any future Bond project, in any form.
Not really making a suggestion @j_w_pepper, just more of an observation on one of many aspects of DoD that made it feel different from the other films. Another example is the lack of a title sequence that typically sets the mood for a film. Instead we just get the “Disney/LucasFilm Present”, title, and just jump straight into the movie. No subtitle establishing location and year.
And of course, the Paramount logo appears, but it’s modern and doesn’t dissolve into a mountain figure like in previous film. I suspect that was less of a conscious decision by Mangold and more Disney not wanting to give too much attention to a contractual company credit. It’s notable for being the only LucasFilm or even Marvel production to open with the Disney castle logo. I suspect that’s there for corporate egotism to let audiences know this is really their film and not Paramount’s.