Indiana Jones

Walecs

mtm wrote: »

Walecs wrote: »

DoctorNo wrote: »

Yeah, but a lot of it I think has to do with Kathleen Kennedy has no idea what she’s doing, so I don’t see those things happening... and if they did, it would be with the goal of making it more female centric, so it’s probably best that it hasn’t happened.

I’ve no doubt that it one day will happen because Disney sees the $$ and will want to completely reboot it. But they’re probably waiting out of respect for Spielberg, who now no longer cares, and Ford, who does still care and wants to play the part.

Indiana Jones had a daughter in the Young Indiana Jones series, watch Kennedy make the fifth movie about her.

Univex wrote: »

Just to put this out there, but I'm not in the slightest interested to see another Indiana Jones film that doesn't star Harrison Ford. Same goes for Han Solo, although that ship has sailed and sunk. Spielberg should direct his attentions to original quality material, and stop making bad cinema. It's embarrassing to see a genius do things like RP1 or The BFG

+1

Did he? Was that in the elderly Indy bits?
I always hated that series as a kid: it just had nothing to do with Indy. Neither the subject matter nor the tone came anywhere near to the movies. At least the Young Bond books feel like Bond.

Yes.
Same, I tried to enjoy it but I just couldn't. It's got literally nothing in common with the movies (besides the characters' names, even Indy's personality looks different). I must say I had some problems with the Indiana Jones novels too, they're closer to the movies than the show but still feel too different.

mtm

Walecs wrote: »

mtm wrote: »

Walecs wrote: »

DoctorNo wrote: »

Yeah, but a lot of it I think has to do with Kathleen Kennedy has no idea what she’s doing, so I don’t see those things happening... and if they did, it would be with the goal of making it more female centric, so it’s probably best that it hasn’t happened.

I’ve no doubt that it one day will happen because Disney sees the $$ and will want to completely reboot it. But they’re probably waiting out of respect for Spielberg, who now no longer cares, and Ford, who does still care and wants to play the part.

Indiana Jones had a daughter in the Young Indiana Jones series, watch Kennedy make the fifth movie about her.

Univex wrote: »

Just to put this out there, but I'm not in the slightest interested to see another Indiana Jones film that doesn't star Harrison Ford. Same goes for Han Solo, although that ship has sailed and sunk. Spielberg should direct his attentions to original quality material, and stop making bad cinema. It's embarrassing to see a genius do things like RP1 or The BFG

+1

Did he? Was that in the elderly Indy bits?
I always hated that series as a kid: it just had nothing to do with Indy. Neither the subject matter nor the tone came anywhere near to the movies. At least the Young Bond books feel like Bond.

Yes.
Same, I tried to enjoy it but I just couldn't. It's got literally nothing in common with the movies (besides the characters' names, even Indy's personality looks different). I must say I had some problems with the Indiana Jones novels too, they're closer to the movies than the show but still feels too different.

It didn't even have the bloody theme tune! I felt so robbed.

What was really annoying was that episode where Harrison Ford turned up: they actually gave him a bit of fun action to do, an old artefact to protect and played the Williams music. So it's not as if they couldn't do it, they actually chose to be really boring every week instead!!
:D

Come on Disney+, make an Indy series like you made Mandalorian- do it properly!

I know what you mean about the novels. The problem is, to do that lightness of touch well you need to be really good- and the writers they got were never good enough. Indy needs to be funny as much as it's exciting, and I'd imagine that's really important in prose when you haven't got the visual wit of Spielberg. I think it could be done, but you need someone good who really loves it.

Walecs

mtm wrote: »

Walecs wrote: »

mtm wrote: »

Walecs wrote: »

DoctorNo wrote: »

Yeah, but a lot of it I think has to do with Kathleen Kennedy has no idea what she’s doing, so I don’t see those things happening... and if they did, it would be with the goal of making it more female centric, so it’s probably best that it hasn’t happened.

I’ve no doubt that it one day will happen because Disney sees the $$ and will want to completely reboot it. But they’re probably waiting out of respect for Spielberg, who now no longer cares, and Ford, who does still care and wants to play the part.

Indiana Jones had a daughter in the Young Indiana Jones series, watch Kennedy make the fifth movie about her.

Univex wrote: »

Just to put this out there, but I'm not in the slightest interested to see another Indiana Jones film that doesn't star Harrison Ford. Same goes for Han Solo, although that ship has sailed and sunk. Spielberg should direct his attentions to original quality material, and stop making bad cinema. It's embarrassing to see a genius do things like RP1 or The BFG

+1

Did he? Was that in the elderly Indy bits?
I always hated that series as a kid: it just had nothing to do with Indy. Neither the subject matter nor the tone came anywhere near to the movies. At least the Young Bond books feel like Bond.

Yes.
Same, I tried to enjoy it but I just couldn't. It's got literally nothing in common with the movies (besides the characters' names, even Indy's personality looks different). I must say I had some problems with the Indiana Jones novels too, they're closer to the movies than the show but still feels too different.

It didn't even have the bloody theme tune! I felt so robbed.

What was really annoying was that episode where Harrison Ford turned up: they actually gave him a bit of fun action to do, an old artefact to protect and played the Williams music. So it's not as if they couldn't do it, they actually chose to be really boring every week instead!!
:D

Come on Disney+, make an Indy series like you made Mandalorian- do it properly!

I know what you mean about the novels. The problem is, to do that lightness of touch well you need to be really good- and the writers they got were never good enough. Indy needs to be funny as much as it's exciting, and I'd imagine that's really important in prose when you haven't got the visual wit of Spielberg. I think it could be done, but you need someone good who really loves it.

Yep, well said about the prose.

As for a show, oh my, I'd kill for an Indy series akin to The Mandalorian. Either that or an animated show à la The Clone Wars, which was amazing, with episodes set after The Last Crusade or before the Temple of Doom. I'm not gonna lie, I'd be more excited about that then I'd be for a fifth movie.

mtm

I'm sure you saw that cartoon teaser someone made as a fan project a few years back? It just seems a bit of a no-brainer.



But yeah, a Mandalorian series would be a bit of a dream. 25-min episodes, different location every week, a thrilling big action scene, all piecing together into an exciting serial.

mattjoes

I remember enjoying Young Indiana Jones. As it has been said, it's not really like the films, but it's good (with the possible exception of that vampire episode, but to be honest I don't remember much about it). I love the high production values of the show, as well as the diverse settings and stories, which are not all action-oriented and often intertwine with major historical events such as WW1. It's a shame that the show was canceled when it was about to get deeper into the Jones lore, by introducing Belloq and Abner Ravenwood. But I'm happy it exists.

I must clarify I never watched the one-hour episodes, but the later two-hour TV movie reedits. Not too long ago I revisited Treasure of the Peacock's Eye. Good fun.

mtm

Hasn’t it been retconnned that the Peacock’s Eye is the jewel he’s bargaining to get from Lao Che at the beginning of Temple of Doom?

mattjoes

I believe that's correct.

Walecs

mtm wrote: »

I'm sure you saw that cartoon teaser someone made as a fan project a few years back? It just seems a bit of a no-brainer.



But yeah, a Mandalorian series would be a bit of a dream. 25-min episodes, different location every week, a thrilling big action scene, all piecing together into an exciting serial.

Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind when I suggested an animated Indy show :D That short is amazing!

mtm wrote: »

Hasn’t it been retconnned that the Peacock’s Eye is the jewel he’s bargaining to get from Lao Che at the beginning of Temple of Doom?

Yep, I think it was confirmed in the Indiana Jones: The ultimate guide and it is suggested in the The Lost Journal of Indiana Jones as Short Round writes a letter to Indy and says he's been tracing the Peacock's Eye for a while.

Risico007

mtm wrote: »

I'm sure you saw that cartoon teaser someone made as a fan project a few years back? It just seems a bit of a no-brainer.



But yeah, a Mandalorian series would be a bit of a dream. 25-min episodes, different location every week, a thrilling big action scene, all piecing together into an exciting serial.

that looks amazing!

mtm

Yes it just seems perfect for it, doesn't it?

RogueAgent

Since62 wrote: »

I had read so much about new Indy films, starring Chris Pratt, that it seemed rather a done deal. However, the newest news was all about the original folks, and how they're backing out. Were there to be another film with Harrison Ford, would they get to the part where Indy loses an eye, to match up with the TV show ? Or was he supposed to be wearing the patch for another reason -- such as poor vision from that eye, a temporary injury, a recent visit to the eye doc, etc. ? For an action character, it sure seemed that it was supposed to have occurred in the midst of some adventure. As for any "passing of the torch" to Shia L., that sure seems unlikely. His career ain't what it used to be, and, even as of the time that KOTCS was released, he was not widely regarded as a young hearthrob or budding leading man.
So...time for a new Indy ? Set the stories in period, with just a different actor playing the same H Ford Indy ? Set them modern-day with -- yet another -- Indy son ? He could even be -- simply going with another actor -- playing the same son. That would bring them up to late 50s, early 60s.

Now i may well be in the minority here? Don't get me wrong either as I love Harrison Ford, But? If you were to recast Indy? I would have Pratt top of my list as he proven he can do humour and action!

Walecs

I just can't see Pratt as a teacher.

mtm

I think he could probably do it although I do kind of think he wasn't as strong in the Jurassic films as he was in Guardians.

To be honest, although obviously Ford has been incredible, there's a bit of me which would've liked to have seen the Selleck version as well, because I think he'd have been really good. Maybe not quite up to Ford, but it still would've been a massive hit with him in the lead I'm sure.

mattjoes

Walecs wrote: »

I just can't see Pratt as a teacher.

I can see him as a gym teacher. A little something to shake things up in the reboot.
"Marcus, I found them. The adjustable dumbbells."
"Yes, the school gym will buy them as usual, no questions asked."

mtm wrote: »

I think he could probably do it although I do kind of think he wasn't as strong in the Jurassic films as he was in Guardians.

To be honest, although obviously Ford has been incredible, there's a bit of me which would've liked to have seen the Selleck version as well, because I think he'd have been really good. Maybe not quite up to Ford, but it still would've been a massive hit with him in the lead I'm sure.

Tom Selleck is great. Talented, versatile and with great presence. I would've loved to have seen him as Indiana Jones. Edit: Incidentally, I can see him as a teacher.

mtm

Yeah, Magnum was really quite similar in character to Indy, it's very easy to imagine him doing it (even without that slightly cruel episode where they made him dress up as Dr Jones!).
A shame his movie career never really lifted off: he didn't get the luck with the roles.

mattjoes

He was great in Quigley Down Under, a terrific western co-starring Alan Rickman. Same with his supporting role in In & Out. I also very much want to watch An Innocent Man, and have some curiosity about Runaway. Lately, I've been watching his Jesse Stone TV movies. Stone is a very serious, conflicted guy. I can see a lesser actor turning the role into a bore. In Selleck's hands, it works very well.

mtm

I really enjoyed Runaway as a kid, but I think it wasn't exactly a classic. There are evil robot spiders in it which is always fun!

I've been wanting to catch 'Lassiter' for ages as it sounds like good, Indy-ish fun. Selleck as a cat burglar in 1930's London who gets recruited to steal from some Nazis. But it seems to have disappeared from everywhere.

Walecs

mtm wrote: »

To be honest, although obviously Ford has been incredible, there's a bit of me which would've liked to have seen the Selleck version as well, because I think he'd have been really good. Maybe not quite up to Ford, but it still would've been a massive hit with him in the lead I'm sure.

Same. I'm glad we got Ford because I like him better but Selleck would have been amazing as well.

mtm

I'm still surprised he did this, you'd imagine it would have been a bit of an open wound for him!



And they even shot Raiders in Hawaii too...

ToTheRight

mtm wrote: »

I really enjoyed Runaway as a kid, but I think it wasn't exactly a classic. There are evil robot spiders in it which is always fun!

I've been wanting to catch 'Lassiter' for ages as it sounds like good, Indy-ish fun. Selleck as a cat burglar in 1930's London who gets recruited to steal from some Nazis. But it seems to have disappeared from everywhere.

LASSITER is one I've always liked. I saw it in the cinema in '84. Worth catching. Fun, if not great.

MaxCasino

Walecs wrote: »

I just can't see Pratt as a teacher.

Chris Pratt isn’t much of an actor to me. As Reddit says, any actor can do what he does. If they recast Indiana Jones, it should be an unknown. That would make it more interesting.

DoctorNo

Spielberg said he would have cast Humphrey Bogart as Indiana Jones in another era... that’s the correct choice. They need to cast the role from the inside out, not the other way around.... then you end up a Chris Pratt.

mattjoes

mtm wrote: »

I really enjoyed Runaway as a kid, but I think it wasn't exactly a classic. There are evil robot spiders in it which is always fun!

I've been wanting to catch 'Lassiter' for ages as it sounds like good, Indy-ish fun. Selleck as a cat burglar in 1930's London who gets recruited to steal from some Nazis. But it seems to have disappeared from everywhere.

Jane Seymour and Bob Hoskins are in the cast. Pretty cool, I'll keep my eye on it.

Since62

Quite agreed. In fact, the bottom line is that the lady lead's appearance is superb and memorable.

Since62

@DoctorNo Excellent re: case from the inside out. So true ! For example -- Fassbender looks less like Apple co-founder Steve Jobs than does Ashton Kutcher, but Fassbender was superb. Fassbender has a better script, too, sure, but -- superb. So. From the inside out. In doing so, though, would someone be portraying the same Indy, in adventures which fit in before, after, and in-between the ones we've seen with H Ford playing the part ? Or go to a non-Shia LaBeouf son ? Or a daughter ? A nephew or niece ? Student inspired by Indy ? Oy, this is tough. If it is brought to our present timeline, wouldn't it lose some of its charm and fun ? If you put Ford in the film, for a passing of the torch dynamic, will he insist on his character dying, a la that other well-known character ? That would not match up with having a pretty darn old Indy with an eye-patch we saw in the short-lived TV show.

Methinks -- new actor.

Playing Indy.

Within and just after the timeframe we've seen. If any eyes get popped, it happens during this actor's run. Not everyone saw the TV show, so there still might be some genuineness to threats to Indy's life. (Everyone expects him to survive, anyway. And the eye thing would surprise those who never saw the TV show.)

Indy served in WWI and WWII. He was born in 1899. Unless you want a significantly older Indy in post-KOTCS stories, you'll have to slip him back into stories occurring before and between the adventures we've seen. He was born in 1899, so in 1957 he was 58. H Ford was 66 in the 2008 year of release, but he's fit and handsome and, I think, was credible for playing the part of a 58 year old man at the time.

So. Everyone involved recently walked away from an Indy 5. All these years gone by -- they ought to have a SLEW of great scripts from which to choose, but it seems they do not ! The time is right for a new Indy, playing the same guy, in stories "inserted" into the existing timeline.

Just make a new Indy, in OUR timeline ? I think not...it would end quickly once he gets arrested for stealing artifacts. He said the Cross of Coronado belonged in a museum. True ! He just didn't say which one.

AKillToAView

"A fifth installment of the Indiana Jones franchise has been in development for quite some time, going through multiple writers and directors. Well, now Lucasfilm will look to get the film in front of cameras next year.

The studio has set an August 2021 production start for the Harrison Ford-led film. The newest Indiana Jones feature will shoot at Pinewood Studios in the United Kingdom. The film was originally expected to start filming earlier this year until the coronavirus halted those plans, causing the studio to pump the breaks."

https://thedisinsider.com/2020/11/16/indiana-jones-5-to-start-production-august-2021/

mtm

Yes, please just make it now! :) I don't even mind that Harrison is clearly too old, I'd just like to see what they do with it! August feels quite a long way away still.

talos7

mtm wrote: »

Yes, please just make it now! :) I don't even mind that Harrison is clearly too old, I'd just like to see what they do with it! August feels quite a long way away still.

I suspect a bit of mild de-aging will be used. That aside , for any age, he is in great shape

mtm

Yes I'm sure you're right; I think that sort of thing happens more than we're aware of. A mate of mine told me about a guy he worked with who had to go through an entire film erasing a famous actor's saggy under-chin! :)

I guess I'm more worried about Ford killing himself in another air-crash before then! :D

talos7

mtm wrote: »

Yes I'm sure you're right; I think that sort of thing happens more than we're aware of. A mate of mine told me about a guy he worked with who had to go through an entire film erasing a famous actor's saggy under-chin! :)

I guess I'm more worried about Ford killing himself in another air-crash before then! :D

Absolutely, special visual effects are a lifelong passion of mine; it is well known that quite a bit of “digital facelifts “ are done, often very subtle.