A question to those who care not for Brosnan's Bond

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I absolutely loathe the criticism of Brosnan’s Bond not being original, not only because it’s completely incorrect, but because that implies all the other actors haven’t done the same thing Pierce did. Connery became a pastiche of himself, Lazenby was accused of copying Connery in some circles, Moore started out harder edged, but became an overt parody of the Bond that Connery played (and I say that as a Moore fanboy), Dalton went to the books while emulating that ruthless danger that Connery had, and Craig’s portrayal is essentially an amalgamation of Connery’s, Lazenby’s, and Dalton’s. But hey, Pierce must be the only one who brought nothing new to the role...

    The fact that there’s a good chunk of Bond fans calling him a “Greatest Hits” Bond is no accident. Brosnan himself has been saying in interviews for the past 20 years that he felt he never nailed the part and made the role his own, and that he had simply blended Connery and Moore’s approaches. I can’t disagree with him there. He was obviously craving for something that was never quite satiated.

    But regardless of his dismissal of Bond, he seemed to have imprinted on a whole generation of Millennial Bond fans who to this day still revere him as their childhood Bond. No one can take that away.
  • I absolutely loathe the criticism of Brosnan’s Bond not being original, not only because it’s completely incorrect, but because that implies all the other actors haven’t done the same thing Pierce did. Connery became a pastiche of himself, Lazenby was accused of copying Connery in some circles, Moore started out harder edged, but became an overt parody of the Bond that Connery played (and I say that as a Moore fanboy), Dalton went to the books while emulating that ruthless danger that Connery had, and Craig’s portrayal is essentially an amalgamation of Connery’s, Lazenby’s, and Dalton’s. But hey, Pierce must be the only one who brought nothing new to the role...

    The fact that there’s a good chunk of Bond fans calling him a “Greatest Hits” Bond is no accident. Brosnan himself has been saying in interviews for the past 20 years that he felt he never nailed the part and made the role his own, and that he had simply blended Connery and Moore’s approaches. I can’t disagree with him there. He was obviously craving for something that was never quite satiated.

    But regardless of his dismissal of Bond, he seemed to have imprinted on a whole generation of Millennial Bond fans who to this day still revere him as their childhood Bond. No one can take that away.


    But that brings me back to my original point though, the “Greatest Hits Bond” is an incredibly weak argument when it’s held to scrutiny. If Brosnan combines elements of Connery/Moore to such heavy scrutiny from the fan base, then why isn’t that same logic applied to Daniel Craig, who has combined elements of Connery/Lazenby/Dalton as well to less scrutiny? Because it’s not true, and thats the same answer for Brosnan.

    You see why I think it’s a lazy argument? Because it’s diminishing an actors abilities to “oh he just copied people who did it better beforehand” while completely ignoring the actors own traits, quirks, and personality that they bring to the role out of sheer ignorance. It’s the most straw grasping/basic argument made commonly against Brosnan, and I’ve seen that same type of lazy criticism lodged against Daniel Craig in some circles, and it’s tiring and inaccurate.

    You mention the generation of Bond fans who grew up with Brosnan, and I consider myself part of that generation, we don’t revere Brosnan because we thought he was exactly like Connery/Moore, we revere him for what he brought to the role, for the type of Bond he was, CGI Kite surfing be damned. As for Brosnan’s comments, those are simply humble words, much like how Moore ranked himself behind Lazenby before. It just think it’s a weak argument that deserves to be debated and held to scrutiny.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    You can call the argument weak, but I’m not really seeing a good counter-argument from you. I’m not convinced Brosnan was just being “humble” about his thoughts, he seemed genuinely disappointed by how his run ultimately turned out. Whereas Moore always had a self-deprecating sense of humor about himself and career with Bond and beyond. I only brought up the Connery/Moore thing because that’s exactly what Brosnan himself said about the approach he ultimately took, which he wasn’t fully satisfied with.
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    You can call the argument weak, but I’m not really seeing a good counter-argument from you. I’m not convinced Brosnan was just being “humble” about his thoughts, he seemed genuinely disappointed by how his run ultimately turned out. Whereas Moore always had a self-deprecating sense of humor about himself and career with Bond and beyond. I only brought up the Connery/Moore thing because that’s exactly what Brosnan himself said about the approach he ultimately took, which he wasn’t fully satisfied with.

    I’ve stated my counter arguments at least twice in this thread lol. If you disagree, then it’s simply down to your opinion, not my arguments. It’s his own personality, traits, and quirks that he brings to the role, just the same as any other actor. That’s part of what “making the role your own” means isn’t it? I can also go through each of his films like a fine tooth comb and pluck out all the examples, but that means I’d have to sit through Die Another Day again. I’ve also stated the blatant hypocrisy of calling Brosnan a “Greatest Hits” Bond while ignoring the same argument can literally be made about any of the other actors after Connery. You obviously interpret Brosnan’s comments as that because that’s how you view the performance is it not? I see it as the man being modest, stating his own influences and dismissing his own legacy as Bond, ignoring the poor scripts he was given, and the impact he’s had on millions. If you disagree with my opinions then that’s fine, but it’s not because of any lack of solid arguments on my end, it’s because you simply don’t agree, and I think saying that is much more honest and respectful than regurgitating the same common (and weak) argument against Brosnan, while ignoring my arguments, plus I can and I have made a pretty solid and sound argument against that criticism lodged at Brosnan plenty of times in the past on this forum, and I can make more arguments backing up my views. I just think that it’s time to stop critiquing Brosnan’s Bond for not being allowed to flesh out and expand when that’s more of a problem with the producers/writers/directors post Goldeneye.
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    You can call the argument weak, but I’m not really seeing a good counter-argument from you. I’m not convinced Brosnan was just being “humble” about his thoughts, he seemed genuinely disappointed by how his run ultimately turned out. Whereas Moore always had a self-deprecating sense of humor about himself and career with Bond and beyond. I only brought up the Connery/Moore thing because that’s exactly what Brosnan himself said about the approach he ultimately took, which he wasn’t fully satisfied with.

    I’ve stated my counter arguments at least twice in this thread lol. If you disagree, then it’s simply down to your opinion, not my arguments. It’s his own personality, traits, and quirks that he brings to the role, just the same as any other actor. That’s part of what “making the role your own” means isn’t it? I can also go through each of his films like a fine tooth comb and pluck out all the examples, but that means I’d have to sit through Die Another Day again. I’ve also stated the blatant hypocrisy of calling Brosnan a “Greatest Hits” Bond while ignoring the same argument can literally be made about any of the other actors after Connery. You obviously interpret Brosnan’s comments as that because that’s how you view the performance is it not? I see it as the man being modest, stating his own influences and dismissing his own legacy as Bond, ignoring the poor scripts he was given, and the impact he’s had on millions. If you disagree with my opinions then that’s fine, but it’s not because of any lack of solid arguments on my end, it’s because you simply don’t agree, and I think saying that is much more honest and respectful than regurgitating the same common (and weak) argument against Brosnan, while ignoring my arguments, plus I can and I have made a pretty solid and sound argument against that criticism lodged at Brosnan plenty of times in the past on this forum, and I can make more arguments backing up my views. I just think that it’s time to stop critiquing Brosnan’s Bond for not being allowed to flesh out and expand when that’s more of a problem with the producers/writers/directors post Goldeneye.

    I applaud your beliefs and defense of them. But answer me this: If you are describing Brosnan's Bond to someone who is a casual fan or didn't know of his take, what is your elevator speech, so to speak, that describes his portrayal? Not a drawn-out dissertation, just a couple sentences.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s definitely an issue with the films, like it was with Roger Moore where they didn’t quite know what to do with him until by TSWLM, where he settled with a largely tongue in cheek approach that suited his talents.

    With Brosnan it felt like they were always looking for his take but nothing stuck. I think his best was in DAD where there was more Fleming cynicism injected in the writing and Brosnan played up to it. It’s just too bad THAT ended up being his last film. But it’s at least a far better performance than his dreadful one in TWINE (which I put more on the director, since most actors didn’t look too good in that film).
  • BT3366 wrote: »
    You can call the argument weak, but I’m not really seeing a good counter-argument from you. I’m not convinced Brosnan was just being “humble” about his thoughts, he seemed genuinely disappointed by how his run ultimately turned out. Whereas Moore always had a self-deprecating sense of humor about himself and career with Bond and beyond. I only brought up the Connery/Moore thing because that’s exactly what Brosnan himself said about the approach he ultimately took, which he wasn’t fully satisfied with.

    I’ve stated my counter arguments at least twice in this thread lol. If you disagree, then it’s simply down to your opinion, not my arguments. It’s his own personality, traits, and quirks that he brings to the role, just the same as any other actor. That’s part of what “making the role your own” means isn’t it? I can also go through each of his films like a fine tooth comb and pluck out all the examples, but that means I’d have to sit through Die Another Day again. I’ve also stated the blatant hypocrisy of calling Brosnan a “Greatest Hits” Bond while ignoring the same argument can literally be made about any of the other actors after Connery. You obviously interpret Brosnan’s comments as that because that’s how you view the performance is it not? I see it as the man being modest, stating his own influences and dismissing his own legacy as Bond, ignoring the poor scripts he was given, and the impact he’s had on millions. If you disagree with my opinions then that’s fine, but it’s not because of any lack of solid arguments on my end, it’s because you simply don’t agree, and I think saying that is much more honest and respectful than regurgitating the same common (and weak) argument against Brosnan, while ignoring my arguments, plus I can and I have made a pretty solid and sound argument against that criticism lodged at Brosnan plenty of times in the past on this forum, and I can make more arguments backing up my views. I just think that it’s time to stop critiquing Brosnan’s Bond for not being allowed to flesh out and expand when that’s more of a problem with the producers/writers/directors post Goldeneye.

    I applaud your beliefs and defense of them. But answer me this: If you are describing Brosnan's Bond to someone who is a casual fan or didn't know of his take, what is your elevator speech, so to speak, that describes his portrayal? Not a drawn-out dissertation, just a couple sentences.

    I’d describe Brosnan’s Bond as the out of touch/old fashioned Cold War Agent who still remains completely certain in his beliefs/methods no matter how much the world around him changes. I’ll admit that’s all driven by how he’s portrayed in Goldeneye, but that’s enough for me to disassociate him from Connery/Moore. I don’t disagree that he’s taken other elements from previous Bonds, I just disagree with the notion that he’s portrayal is nothing else but an amalgamation.
    It’s definitely an issue with the films, like it was with Roger Moore where they didn’t quite know what to do with him until by TSWLM, where he settled with a largely tongue in cheek approach that suited his talents.

    With Brosnan it felt like they were always looking for his take but nothing stuck. I think his best was in DAD where there was more Fleming cynicism injected in the writing and Brosnan played up to it. It’s just too bad THAT ended up being his last film. But it’s at least a far better performance than his dreadful one in TWINE (which I put more on the director, since most actors didn’t look too good in that film).

    I think the biggest crime of the handling of Brosnan’s Bond was not giving him enough Fleming, and to be honest I’m sure that if he had actually read more of Fleming (my understanding is he hasn’t read any of Fleming), and if the filmmakers were willing to commit to a more serious tone instead of falling for the repeated trap of over-escalation that EON finds themselves in, it’d be less of an uphill battle for me defending Brosnan. I just defend his take because I don’t see the problems with it, and I’m also very nostalgic.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    IIRC it was reported that Brosnan was carrying a paperback of Goldfinger on the set of GE. I dunno if that’s just PR or whatever.
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    IIRC it was reported that Brosnan was carrying a paperback of Goldfinger on the set of GE. I dunno if that’s just PR or whatever.

    Brosnan once claimed that DN was the first ever Bond novel. He probably thought it was the film they were adapting based on the word 'gold' in the title.

    In all seriousness though that would actually make sense. I always got 'Reflections in a Double Bourbon' vibes during the beach scene in that film.
  • IIRC it was reported that Brosnan was carrying a paperback of Goldfinger on the set of GE. I dunno if that’s just PR or whatever.

    That seems to me more PR than anything else, but that’s just me
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    IIRC it was reported that Brosnan was carrying a paperback of Goldfinger on the set of GE. I dunno if that’s just PR or whatever.

    That seems to me more PR than anything else, but that’s just me

    - Hey Pierce!
    - Bruce Feirstein, good to see you!
    - Listen, my hands are a little full carrying all these drafts of the GoldenEye script. Do you think you could hold on to my copy of the Goldfinger novel for a few minutes?
    - Sure, no probs.
    (Pierce grabs the novel. On-set photographer notices what's happening.)
    - Pierce, could you turn here for a second!
    (Photographer takes the picture.)
    - Thank you, Pierce, you're a pierce-- I mean, a prince!
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    IIRC it was reported that Brosnan was carrying a paperback of Goldfinger on the set of GE. I dunno if that’s just PR or whatever.

    That seems to me more PR than anything else, but that’s just me

    - Hey Pierce!
    - Bruce Feirstein, good to see you!
    - Listen, my hands are a little full carrying all these drafts of the GoldenEye script. Do you think you could hold on to my copy of the Goldfinger novel for a few minutes?
    - Sure, no probs.
    (Pierce grabs the novel. On-set photographer notices what's happening.)
    - Pierce, could you turn here for a second!
    (Photographer takes the picture.)
    - Thank you, Pierce, you're a pierce-- I mean, a prince!

    I’ll always defend Pierce, and admittedly my knowledge on Fleming is limited due to only reading a few of the novels, but I’ll always remember when Pierce did the Goldeneye Watch-along, he was saying how Casino Royale was the blueprint novel, but not much about the character of Bond stood out to him, or something along to that effect. Now Casino Royale being one of the few Fleming novels I’ve read, and thus far my favorite, I felt just about inclined to disagree with him about that point. Wish he would’ve explored the books a bit more if I’m being honest
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    If I were to sum up Brosnan-Bond in a single sentence I'd say that he was the Bond who lived for the action compared to other Bonds. He was most in his element when he was doing wild and extreme things like driving a tank through a Russian city or heli-skiing. With the other Bonds the action simply came with the job (and Moore-Bond didn't like the action at all, he was all about the wine and women) but with Brosnan it almost seemed like it was a sport. If Brosnan's Bond hadn't become a spy I bet he'd be some sort of racer, mercenary for hire, or extreme sports athlete.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    I don't think Pierce's Bond has much of a personality or character at all, unfortunately. He kind of just plays each individual scene to maximum effect, which may or may not be appealing for a viewer. He plays the comedy in a very comic way, seeming to me to be at least as self-aware about the humor as Roger was. And when there's a more dramatic scene, he really sinks his teeth in and sucks out all the pathos he can get from it. He doesn't smooth out the Bondian tonal shifts the way Roger did, and I would suggest there is no way to know what Brosnan Bond would do in any hypothetical situation, because there's no character there.

    He's an avatar, flitting from scene to scene to act out as intensely as possible whatever the script has him doing. And as has been mentioned, none of these four scripts is particularly strong.

    That said, he's still generally fun to watch.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Pierce had an unenviable task of releasing a film every 2 years as the sausage factory was still about getting a film to market in 2 years. So we have a tight turnaround. Especially when you add the special effects and other processes that modern film face.

    How does this impact Pierce, well the scripts were sometimes incomplete or being re-written as things were being filmed. In a recent podcast it was shared that Hopkins was set and excited to play the villain of TND. Judi Dench casually mentioned that the script wasn't finished yet and that shooting started soon. Sir Anthony quickly backed out.

    Craig has had large gaps between his films after the bungle of QOS.

    I think Pierce was a good James Bond. Might have been great for the sole fact he never got a decent script after GE. The producers seemed to be willing to try different things with his Bond. But they never nailed it, as such for me Brosnan's Bond is a great "what might have been." Imagine a TND with more polish and a finished script before shooting? Imagine a DAD that wasn't rushed in order to meet the 40th anniversary. Shoehorning in all that had come before.
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    thedove wrote: »
    How does this impact Pierce, well the scripts were sometimes incomplete or being re-written as things were being filmed. In a recent podcast it was shared that Hopkins was set and excited to play the villain of TND. Judi Dench casually mentioned that the script wasn't finished yet and that shooting started soon. Sir Anthony quickly backed out.

    I didn't know that. To be fair I'm actually glad we got Jonathan Pryce. Something about Sir Anthony's intensity would have felt a bit too dark and dramatic given the absurdity/megalomania of Carver's plan. It makes sense that he'd be this little man trying to play God.

    I know TND can feel a bit dated at certain points (it does resemble a 90s action flick at times) but I honestly think it's great. I actually think the scene where Bond meets Paris in the hotel room is well written, and because Brosnan plays it in this rather understated way he manages to sell it. I think if the rest of the Brosnan era had just leant into that sense of breeziness with healthy splashes of drama, Brosnan would have excelled. As entertaining as he was as Bond he's not an actor of Daniel Craig's level and simply wasn't able to convincingly adapt to some of the weightier character moments, especially in TWINE ("He knew about my shoulder, he knew where to HURT me?' ugh, very much Soap Opera level acting).
  • Posts: 1,078
    TND is probably one of my favourite post-Rog Bond films. I love the way he's with the Swedish girl, then he's getting his mission briefing in the car with a police escort, it's exciting and very cinema-Bondian. Pryce is the best villain of the Broz era, and the motorcycle handcuff thing was funny and thrilling.
    TND seems to get criticism for being too much like a James Bond film. I bloody love it!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I love the way he's with the Swedish girl,

    If my memory serves, she's Danish?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I don't think Pierce's Bond has much of a personality or character at all, unfortunately. He kind of just plays each individual scene to maximum effect, which may or may not be appealing for a viewer. He plays the comedy in a very comic way, seeming to me to be at least as self-aware about the humor as Roger was. And when there's a more dramatic scene, he really sinks his teeth in and sucks out all the pathos he can get from it. He doesn't smooth out the Bondian tonal shifts the way Roger did, and I would suggest there is no way to know what Brosnan Bond would do in any hypothetical situation, because there's no character there.

    He's an avatar, flitting from scene to scene to act out as intensely as possible whatever the script has him doing. And as has been mentioned, none of these four scripts is particularly strong.

    That said, he's still generally fun to watch.

    I like Pierce, but he's the second weakest Bond actor, by a pretty large margin. I don't think you could drop him into TLD or CR and have it end up nearly as good. (Yes, I know TLD was written for Moore and maybe Brosnan.)
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I love the way he's with the Swedish girl,

    If my memory serves, she's Danish?

    I'm sure you're right. Sorry I got Bond wrong.
  • echo wrote: »
    I don't think Pierce's Bond has much of a personality or character at all, unfortunately. He kind of just plays each individual scene to maximum effect, which may or may not be appealing for a viewer. He plays the comedy in a very comic way, seeming to me to be at least as self-aware about the humor as Roger was. And when there's a more dramatic scene, he really sinks his teeth in and sucks out all the pathos he can get from it. He doesn't smooth out the Bondian tonal shifts the way Roger did, and I would suggest there is no way to know what Brosnan Bond would do in any hypothetical situation, because there's no character there.

    He's an avatar, flitting from scene to scene to act out as intensely as possible whatever the script has him doing. And as has been mentioned, none of these four scripts is particularly strong.

    That said, he's still generally fun to watch.

    I like Pierce, but he's the second weakest Bond actor, by a pretty large margin. I don't think you could drop him into TLD or CR and have it end up nearly as good. (Yes, I know TLD was written for Moore and maybe Brosnan.)

    I agree, Brosnan’s my 2nd favorite Bond, but I do think there have been stronger actors to have played the part, but by no means is he a “bad actor”, just has his strengths and weaknesses. I think he may have managed TLD quite well, but definitely not CR. That film needed Craig or an actor of his caliber.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I love the way he's with the Swedish girl,

    If my memory serves, she's Danish?

    Yes, but she has a Swedish name, so easy mistake to make.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    I love the way he's with the Swedish girl,

    If my memory serves, she's Danish?

    Yes, but she has a Swedish name, so easy mistake to make.

    Seems to me like they just switched Stromberg's name around.
  • edited August 2022 Posts: 784
    I think Pierce is severely underrated. Placing him under Dalton is a stretch and I say this as a huge Dalton fan.

    He played the playboy better than anyone. He would have carried Spectre better than Craig and wouldn’t have been shabby in CR either (the film is so good that none of the 6 would have been miscast, even Lazenby).

    If Pierces films had had a more serious and realistic tone to them, he would have shined so much more.

    Despite Connery and Craig owning the role, Pierce was born to play it even if his films didn’t necessarily allow him to fully showcase it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    There’s actors who compelled audiences with their talent and then there’s movie stars that go by their looks and charisma. Brosnan is the latter. He’s fine as Bond when you only let him play up the qualities of Bond being a cool secret agent. But he never would have brought the kind of depth Craig did, or the other actors like Connery, Moore and Dalton.

    He’s better than Lazenby, though Lazenby is more convincing when it comes to the physicality.
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    You are right, but charisma is a huge part of the character.

    Dalton didn’t give it enough importance despite adding the most dimensionality to the role before Craig.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Brosnan was just also fine for me, but I couldn't still forgive his pain face in TWINE (even Craig's close up face in SPECTRE brain drilling scene was better). I also think he lacked the Masculinity, he comes off as too smooth for me, the way he spoke, it's whispery to me, he's too model-ish for me.
    Good looking yes, but he's not as suave and masculine as the other 5 actors.
    He's not the typical women's protector or Alpha Male as how we called it.

    It also doesn't help that yes the scripts, and I would also add some miscast supporting actors during his tenure like Jonathan Pryce, Robert Carlyle, and Teri Hatcher to name a few.
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    But he never would have brought the kind of depth Craig did, or the other actors like Connery, Moore and Dalton.

    Because he wasn’t allowed too. That’s more a problem with the producers, scriptwriters, and directors than Pierce himself. Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Craig wouldn’t have been able to navigate those post-Goldeneye films any better I’m afraid.
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Brosnan was just also fine for me, but I couldn't still forgive his pain face in TWINE (even Craig's close up face in SPECTRE brain drilling scene was better). I also think he lacked the Masculinity, he comes off as too smooth for me, the way he spoke, it's whispery to me, he's too model-ish for me.
    Good looking yes, but he's not as suave and masculine as the other 5 actors.
    He's not the typical women's protector or Alpha Male as how we called it.

    It also doesn't help that yes the scripts, and I would also add some miscast supporting actors during his tenure like Jonathan Pryce, Robert Carlyle, and Teri Hatcher to name a few.

    Craig’s pain face in SP was just as bad, as that whole sequence was 10x more cringeworthy than the TWINE scene, especially when you consider the plot points that try to cram into that scene, and the rather convoluted way in which Bond escapes that. I also disagree that Pierce lacked “Suaveness” and “Masculinity”, otherwise there’s no way in hell he would’ve landed the part. You also have to remember that going into the 90’s, those scenes of “Masculinity” exemplified by the likes of Connery was incredibly outdated. Pierce was an incredibly masculine and suave actor, in fact he was probably more suave than Lazenby, Dalton, and Craig that’s for sure.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    But he never would have brought the kind of depth Craig did, or the other actors like Connery, Moore and Dalton.

    Because he wasn’t allowed too. That’s more a problem with the producers, scriptwriters, and directors than Pierce himself. Connery, Moore, Dalton, and Craig wouldn’t have been able to navigate those post-Goldeneye films any better I’m afraid.
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Brosnan was just also fine for me, but I couldn't still forgive his pain face in TWINE (even Craig's close up face in SPECTRE brain drilling scene was better). I also think he lacked the Masculinity, he comes off as too smooth for me, the way he spoke, it's whispery to me, he's too model-ish for me.
    Good looking yes, but he's not as suave and masculine as the other 5 actors.
    He's not the typical women's protector or Alpha Male as how we called it.

    It also doesn't help that yes the scripts, and I would also add some miscast supporting actors during his tenure like Jonathan Pryce, Robert Carlyle, and Teri Hatcher to name a few.

    Craig’s pain face in SP was just as bad, as that whole sequence was 10x more cringeworthy than the TWINE scene, especially when you consider the plot points that try to cram into that scene, and the rather convoluted way in which Bond escapes that. I also disagree that Pierce lacked “Suaveness” and “Masculinity”, otherwise there’s no way in hell he would’ve landed the part. You also have to remember that going into the 90’s, those scenes of “Masculinity” exemplified by the likes of Connery was incredibly outdated. Pierce was an incredibly masculine and suave actor, in fact he was probably more suave than Lazenby, Dalton, and Craig that’s for sure.

    Yes, I get and understand where you're coming from, but Lazenby, Dalton, and Craig were more manly, I mean their deep voice, their hardness, the way they acted, how tough are they, and the way they interact with women, they're very manly.

    Brosnan comes off to me as too smooth and soft.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Brosnan was limited as an actor.

    Once producers hire an actor, they learn the limitations of each, and their strengths.

    Brosnan got the scripts he was best suited for.

    I agree with @mtm that he feels Moore may've been better suited in OHMSS than Connery because, I feel, Connery, a great actor and mega-star, had limitations when it came to being tender and vulnerable (case in point, in the film Outland, he sounds like he's about to laugh when he tells his wife that he loves her too); Brosnan was, and is, limited as an actor. I wouldn't want to see him dropped in any of the Craig films. He didn't and doesn't have the chops, IMO.

    Although I will whole heartedly agree he was certainly the right actor to re-introduce James Bond after a six year hiatus.
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