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My view is, there is nothing that is remotely perfect regarding DAD. Not even the first thirty minutes.
Though I remember vividly that, upon first viewing in a cinema, I came to the conclusion that the first half (which includes the first thirty minutes) was infinitely better than the mess that TWINE was. And then disaster struck, starting about with the invisible car/Q scene, and DAD ended up where it still is, at my number 24 (25 if you count NSNA) of the entire series.
Let's face it, the movie is (just in comparison with other Bond films, not all movies ever made) the ultimate POS, and no other failure (among those that are failures) is quite as dramatic as this one. To even discuss perfection in connection with a single minute of it is ludicrous. They simply goofed the entire thing totally, though they may have been off to a somewhat promising start...at least comparing it to TWINE, which now is only the second-worst Bond film in my book.
I feel like you do this strawman thing a lot. Literally nobody said nothing stupid happens in Spectre.
Of course stupid things happen in Spectre. That doesn't mean it doesn't also have great moments.
I'm just about to rewatch Die Another Day as part of my marathan so I'll pay double attention to the first 30 minutes. I have vague memories of the North Korea segment being good, but perfect? We'll see...
And if it did come across as a straw man, I apologise. But I was getting a lot of my own arguments twisted into straw men and so maybe I was just trying to fit in.
Just saw another thread started that begins with the classic strawman argument that people raise to counter any slight reservation or criticism of Daniel Craig's time as Bond. So it happens alot round here and I am not the only offender!
Yes he had to claim that I thought Craig "was the messiah" yesterday. (:|
Sarcasm dear boy. But since you've dived into this when nobody asked, and also started another separate thread that begins with the classic strawman that people don't like any sort of personal mission, I would say that it was a fair comment to make.
Anyway, lets draw a line. @mtm told me the other day not to watch the film again and to stop moaning about it. I've not desire to keep some sill internet feud going. Let's just move on to something else.
Back to DAD - I like it a lot, for my sins. Struggle to defend it, though. I do think there is a lot of good material. But clearly also a lot of complete trash.
Lowest form of wit. I saw someone else recently claim they were 'being sarcastic' in order to pretend they didn't say something stupid, now who was that...? Bleach comes to mind... ;)
Do you think? I think it looks rather thin and tacky. SP is much better filmed if you ask me.
It helps that the cast are actually present in some of the locations; in DAD it's all mocked up on the backlot and Spain with some extras standing next to a couple of 50s American cars on a cloudy day, and bits of Hampshire. As for Hong Kong :)
I'm looking forward to rewatching DAD in the near future so I can keep an eye open for this kind of appreciation. I'd put SP above DAD in my ranking currently, but of course, anything can change.
Classy. After I said I wanted to draw a line under it too.
Your opinions on DAD mirror mine on SP I think. :P I really enjoy watching Spectre, but definitely struggle to defend large chunks of it. The great moments for me, though, are easy to identify and I always bring them into it in defence of the film.
Yeah, in terms of Cinematography, SP's great....we can't forget that tracking shot & the shot where Bond casually walks on Rooftops, readying his Gun,etc.
But I was talking more about Colour Palettes though....I just feel DAD's Colour Palette looks more vibrant, But SP does look a bit Sombre.
If you really want to draw a line under it don't try and pretend you were 'being sarcastic' and attempt to patronise me 'dear boy'. Nobody classy pretends they were being sarcastic. 'Drawing a line under it' doesn't mean you fire out one last shot, it means you say sorry and then move on.
Yes that's fair, it is more vibrant and I know Spectre's grading work gets a lot of stick, but I think it does generally look a bit classier. DAD is maybe a bit comic book at points in terms of the palette, a lot of electric blues and greens by the time we get to Iceland. Nothing wrong with that of course but Spectre is maybe slightly more to my taste in terms of visuals.
It's a little like high-saturation vs. sepia; both, in my eyes, can be very aesthetically pleasing, but for very different reasons.
@mtm It's pretty clear I am living in your head rent free. So shall we just call it quits? You asked me to stop discussing SP yesterday and I haven't made any comment to you about it since. So not sure why you have started it all up again.
Yeah that's fair enough, GE for me is a bit more khaki greens and greys with Spectre certainly a lot more in the golden browns and hot colours range, but I can see where you're coming from. Stuff like the beach scene in GE could have come straight out of Spectre.
You'd imagine there must be some sort of algorithm that you can feed movies into and it gives you a palette from them! :)
Christ. 8-|
The cinematographer of Knives Out, Steve Yedlin, has been working on that sort of thing exactly. A digital algorithm that mimics the look of celluloid, with the film grain etc, and gives you the exact pallete required.
@FatherValentine that seems pretty cool regarding the palette algorithm, but I wonder how well it'd compare to the human touch. I could see an algorithm making satisfying, if safe and unoriginal choices.
Yes, I'm afraid I don't know much about it. But I came across it while researching a book I am writing. Someone pointed me to some experiments he has been doing in digital cinematography. It's late and I can't be bothered to look and find out the exact nature of it all, but I think it was around the idea of collapsing the differences between film and digital cinematography, and attempting to replicate film grain. But ultimately, about giving cinematographers the full range of possibilities that film provides.
I agree about the possibility of safe and unoriginal outcomes though.
When it comes to unoriginal outcomes, the experiments being undertaken in computer editing, where a computer creates the optimum editing style, is far more scary from a creative and artistic point of view.
Yes that’s my reaction to it too mainly. I guess the Monaco sections are very warm though.