The name's 25. Bond 25, or rather, it's NTTD.

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I've been asking endlessly for THUNDERBLINGER. Close enough I guess.

    It is probably going to be called SOME KIND OF ZERO PROGRAM.
  • Double zero program?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Double zero program?

    Shot back to front.
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    I know it's a terrible idea, but since the next film will almost certainly be Craig's final fling, and presumably done in style, the following chapter title from Goldfinger would be fitting:
    The Last and the Biggest.

    Less terrible titles taken from chapters:
    A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of Hate
    Cards With a Stranger
    The Eye That Never Sleeps
    Bitter Champagne
    The Job Comes Second
    Death is So Permanent
    The Slaughterer
    The Beautiful Lure
    Black on Pink
    The Killing Bottle
    The Finger on the Trigger
    The Long Scream
    Reflections in a Double Bourbon
    The Pressure Room
    Crime de la Crime
    The Richest Man in History
    Take It Easy Mr. Bond
    How to Eat a Girl
    When the Kissing Stopped
    The Shadower
    The Gambit of Shame
    Fork Left For Hell!
    Blood-lift
    Hell's Delight
    The Question Room
    Blood and Thunder
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Revelator wrote: »
    I know it's a terrible idea, but since the next film will almost certainly be Craig's final fling, and presumably done in style, the following chapter title from Goldfinger would be fitting:
    The Last and the Biggest.

    Less terrible titles taken from chapters:
    A Whisper of Love, A Whisper of Hate
    Cards With a Stranger
    The Eye That Never Sleeps
    Bitter Champagne
    The Job Comes Second
    Death is So Permanent
    The Slaughterer
    The Beautiful Lure
    Black on Pink
    The Killing Bottle
    The Finger on the Trigger
    The Long Scream
    Reflections in a Double Bourbon
    The Pressure Room
    Crime de la Crime
    The Richest Man in History
    Take It Easy Mr. Bond
    How to Eat a Girl
    When the Kissing Stopped
    The Shadower
    The Gambit of Shame
    Fork Left For Hell!
    Blood-lift
    Hell's Delight
    The Question Room
    Blood and Thunder

    I am now and forever shall be waiting for a bond film named “ How to eat a girl”
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 2,917
    I am now and forever shall be waiting for a bond film named “ How to eat a girl”

    It's about time for a good double-entendre title! I don't think it'll happen though, since literal-minded people will complain it's promoting cannibalism.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Revelator wrote: »
    I am now and forever shall be waiting for a bond film named “ How to eat a girl”

    It's about time for a good double-entendre title! I don't think it'll happen though, since literal-minded people will complain it's promoting cannibalism.
    The more sensible people won't complain about these because of its literal meaning. The title isn't a clever double-entendre anything, but goofy. Very goofy. It's what you'd see on a B-Movie spy parody rather than an actual film title.

    And also, the majority of those titles sound like chapter titles that don't make a pass like theatrical titles in the slightest. They're over-simplistic like: Water, Sand, Chair, Ground Floor, etc. Bond titles should be intellectual mottos. One of the reasons Fleming didn't resort to Reflections in a Carey Cadillac, or The Double-O Agent (works if it's the title of a TV series), or The Richest Man In The World (sounds like a title for a biographical-documentary film) and others alike.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 2,917
    The more sensible people won't complain about these because of its literal meaning. The title isn't a clever double-entendre anything, but goofy.

    Most double-entendres are goofy.
    Bond titles should be intellectual mottos.

    Not quite. Bond titles are place names (Casino Royale). Bond titles are villain's names (Dr. No, Goldfinger). Bond titles are named after the villain's scheme (Moonraker). Bond titles are named after the operation (Thunderball). Bond titles are descriptions of the villain (The Man With the Golden Gun). And some Bond titles are inversions of cliches (Live and Let Die, From Russia With Love, You Only Live Twice). Others are statements of fact (Diamonds Are Forever, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only). I don't see any intellectual mottos in there.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Revelator wrote: »
    The more sensible people won't complain about these because of its literal meaning. The title isn't a clever double-entendre anything, but goofy.

    Most double-entendres are goofy.
    Except the ones titularly delivered aren't. If one titles a Bond film Black or Pink, When the Kissing Stopped (sounds like an erotic thriller title), or How to Eat a Girl (a pornographic parody?), not only it will be ignored by the general public, assuming it's even more absurd than the films of Kingsman taken to eleven, but it will also become the butt of the jokes online. This is not the sixties when you can simply put a title like that and get away with it. Some EuroSpy films come to mind.
    Revelator wrote: »
    Others are statements of fact (Diamonds Are Forever, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only). I don't see any intellectual mottos in there.
    There they are. In the brackets. These are also double entendres, and I find no goof here.
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    If one titles a Bond film Black or Pink, When the Kissing Stopped (sounds like an erotic thriller title)...

    And to some Goldfinger sounded like a French nail polish.
    ...or How to Eat a Girl (a pornographic parody?), not only it will be ignored by the general public...but it will also become the butt of the jokes online

    You're talking about a series whose successful films include Octopussy.
    Revelator wrote: »
    There they are. In the brackets. These are also double entendres, and I find no goof here.

    Except that none are intellectual mottos (two merely state the obvious), only one is a possible double-entendre (and not a very strong one), and together they make up a small minority of Bond titles, most of which obviously aren't intellectual mottos.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Revelator wrote: »
    If one titles a Bond film Black or Pink, When the Kissing Stopped (sounds like an erotic thriller title)...
    And to some Goldfinger sounded like a French nail polish.
    And yet that's far from being the same thing. There are many possibilities one can interpret from that title.
    "Revelator wrote: »
    You're talking about a series whose successful films include Octopussy.
    Yes, a series that didn't really resort to absurd titles. Octopussy does come off as an inappropriate thing to hear in today's American Pie culture, but on the surface, it's not nearly as bold and directly absurd as How to Eat A Girl. You can't possibly be serious in the promotion of that title.
    Revelator wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    There they are. In the brackets. These are also double entendres, and I find no goof here.

    Except that none are intellectual mottos (two merely state the obvious), only one is a possible double-entendre (and not a very strong one), and together they make up a small minority of Bond titles, most of which obviously aren't intellectual mottos.
    "Merely" is the operative word, and mottos come very close to that intellect. It's not saying Diamonds Are Made of Special Rocks or Only Your Eyes Should Witness This Classified Document (re: FYEO). There is an actual obviousness in either of these titles.

    Diamonds Are Forever places an intellectual and philosophical statement to it, indicating to the fact that they do last forever as opposed to the flesh of a mortal being.

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service doesn't exactly refer to the MI-6 being the center of the plot. It was mostly Bond locking horns with Blofeld while questioning his position in the service when meeting a woman he falls in love with, hence undecided whether he should remain a government agent or resign and settle down with Tracy. That's what it refers to without being direct. That's what makes the title (and the story) lovable.

    For Your Eyes Only doesn't "state the obvious" in the slightest. It refers to the classified document that only specific person(s) is/are authorized to view it. It doesn't jump to the face of those as obvious when they know nothing of the spy world or the accessories in fiction.

    As for the titles Moonraker and Thunderball, while referring to the MacGuffins, they both do sound portmanteau of words (or at least seem like it) that feel strange, original, yet thrilling. I am sure the same can't be said of Erno Goldfinger's suggestion at the court when Fleming was tried on Goldfinger, to name the book Gold Prick.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Dr. No: too negative.
    From Russia With Love: sounds like a postcard.
    Goldfinger: sounds inappropriate.
    Thunderball: mismatch of sight and sound.
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service: too obvious, doesn't relate enough to the story.
    You Only Live Twice: is that last word a typo?
    Diamonds Are Forever: ad copy. Avoid trademark violations.
    Live and Let Die: another typo?
    The Man with the Golden Gun: Sinatra, anyone? 1955?
    The Spy Who Loved Me: if you're not gonna use the book... why use this romantic novel title.
    Moonraker: the 1958 George Baker film? Find something else.
    For Your Eyes Only: okay, good enough.
    Octopussy: oh my gosh, so inappropriate.
    A View to a Kill: seems incomplete. Try adding a preposition.

    Titles are tough.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 2,917
    Titles are tough.

    Exactly. As you've shown, many of Fleming's original titles can be as easily criticized as his chapter titles.

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    Property of a Lady
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    JamesStock wrote: »
    Favs in order:

    Property of a Lady
    Shatterhand
    Colonel Sun
    Risico
    The Hildebrand Rarity

    Good list. Swap Colonel Sun with Risico and I agree.
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    I like the names that are key to the plot, like Skyfall or Casino Royale. Spectre was a bit generic. I'm really not a fan of the 'PHRASE TO DIE' movies like we had in the Brosnan era. I always thought Carte Blanche was a good title.
  • A title like Sparrow's Tears (a Fleming chapter title) could work well if there was something pivotal to the plot called 'sparrows tears', in the way that the Rabbit's Foot was a plot object in one of the Mission Impossible films. The Skyfall title worked well in this way. Especially as it was hinted at during the word-play game. I think all the Craig era titles have worked better than the Brosnan ones. His best was 'The World Is Not Enough'.
  • I think Brosnan and Craig have each had 2 legit titles (GoldenEye, TWINE, Casino Royale, QoS), 1 title that works with varying mileage (TND, Skyfall), and another that just doesn't (DAD, Spectre).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think Brosnan and Craig have each had 2 legit titles (GoldenEye, TWINE, Casino Royale, QoS), 1 title that works with varying mileage (TND, Skyfall), and another that just doesn't (DAD, Spectre).
    +1
  • Spectre was a great title. It's a shame they didn't bother to tell the audience what it actually stood for.

    Perhaps we'll get a SMERSH next? Or even a Smeirt Spionem (if I've spelt that right I'll eat my steel-rimmed hat).
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    Spectre was a great title. It's a shame they didn't bother to tell the audience what it actually stood for.

    Perhaps we'll get a SMERSH next? Or even a Smeirt Spionem (if I've spelt that right I'll eat my steel-rimmed hat).

    Was it great?.... Or lazy.... I mean it’s fine I guess it’s not bad, but it’s not really inventive either is it.
  • edited November 2017 Posts: 6,844
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I've thought that SPECTRE was a great title from the start. It carries weight on it's own and in term son the franchise.

    I guess it hit any number of us differently on a gut level. My initial reaction was the same as @JamesBondKenya, that it smacked of laziness and unoriginality. That virtual title unveiling was met by a great big groan from me, inwardly and outwardly.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Not a fan of Spectre as a title but we could do worse. Especially the attempts to get "007 in New York" as the title of a Bond film.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I think it would've been a great title had we not known what Spectre stands for. But we do, so it comes across as uninspired.
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    I liked the title Spectre. It grew on me for sure.
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    That virtual title unveiling was met by a great big groan from me, inwardly and outwardly.
    Same.

    It was especially stupid when they didn't even explain the acronym in Spectre. I would have liked Spectreville instead (chapter title from DAF)... make it the name of Blofeld's base. But of course they will never use that title now.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Milovy wrote: »
    That virtual title unveiling was met by a great big groan from me, inwardly and outwardly.
    Same.

    It was especially stupid when they didn't even explain the acronym in Spectre. I would have liked Spectreville instead (chapter title from DAF)... make it the name of Blofeld's base. But of course they will never use that title now.

    I'm not sure the acronym still applies in the new timeline, but yes I'd rather they used Spectreville or Spectre of Defeat or something...I suppose Vesper could have been the "spectre of defeat."
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Or does Spectre need explaining at all. It has an established meaning for the Bond franchise and in the English language.
    Could have put the whole acronym on the table straight up. Now Blofeld can spit it out in anger on a later mission. Or not. It can still play out.
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    Given the fashion for one word titles, I thought Spectre was strong and evocative. But it should have been spelled out, because I suspect many of the younger people who watch the Craig films wouldn't know what it stood for.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind if down the road we had an entry simply entitled BOND.

    There is a chapter title called "Take it Easy Mr. Bond." Just sayin'...
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't get this need some have for the title to be original or "creative ", I just want it that be effective and resonate.

    As noted, the word SPECTRE carries the weight and expectations tied to its history. It certainly worked on me. And the word is strong, both graphically and in connotations outside the Bond franchise. I also like the directness; I wouldn't mind if down the road we had an entry simply entitled BOND. As a one time only use of any part of the character's name, I think it would make for an excellent title. I can see the posted; BOND in huge, black, block letters.

    Might make sense for Bond 26, assuming it’s a new actor.
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