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I hate the Jill St. John character. I hate Williard whyte. I hate Blofeld. I cant stand the moon buggy scene. They had to do a reshoot to cover the famous "car up on two wheels goof." Connery didnt want to be there. Plus, he is wearing a PINK tie !!
hey, Both movies were pretty crappy.
As opposed to View to a Kill or Octopussy?
Those movies were godawful.
Bond tells a tiger to, "Sit!"
UGH.
Aside from the usual Moore era sight and sound gags, which I'm not a fan of by any means and think have no place in a Bond film, OP is an excellent installment with an awesome villain in Orlov, lots of Cold War tension, and yet another killer Barry soundtrack. All NSNA can field at best is two manic performances from Brandauer and Carrera, otherwise it's a second rate TB rehash designed to hurt EON. I'll always be very disappointed in Connery for allowing his enmity for Cubby to override good sense and his generally magnificent legacy by agreeing to take part in that abortion. Other than Moore being too old and Jones too ugly for words, although she's a very efficient killer, I don't mind AVTAK in comparison and I'll take both over NSNA- and probably my least favorite official Bond films (MR and DAD) too for that matter.
I always support official films over non-official ones.
When you watch NSNA, it's best to just forget about Mcclory and all the legal crap, and just enjoy it. I think it's an enjoyable Bond film, it does a good job of showing an older Bond and is a much better send off for Connery than DAF.
1983 gave us a great and a good Bond film, OP and NSNA. I count NSNA in my list, and I'll be watching it in my 2012 Bondathon.
On the subject of Legrand, he has done far better work as this ost. But then again we were spoiled with Barry for all those years.
NO, NSNA is NOT a Bond film. Is the Gold Bond commercial a Bond commercial because the actor calls himself "Jimmy Bond"? I'm not going to argue this one any further. If EON didn't make it, it isn't recognized as an official Bond film. The same goes for CR54 and CR67. Have your opinions NSNA lovers, but they aren't the facts to anyone but you and just because you think it should be will never change that.
Whether anyone wants to debate Connery in NSNA is better than his last official and real appearance as Bond in DAF is another story.
NSNA is a Thunderball REMAKE. A second rate, piss poor version of the original which didn't need remaking.
Sean Connery is James Bond.
On the subject of TB needing a remake I agree it was not needed imho. However it did get made with an original Bond actor and the movie had some great sets and scenes so imho is well worth being accepted in the series.
And EON bought the rights so it is EON owned property.
So i guess any money made from this film now goes to Eon?
Ironic how things work out!
FACT- Fleming did wrong, and the courts rectified it. McGlory got his due settlement and their joint venture was properly made. Attempting to rationalize his attempt to undermine EON by calling NSNA an official Bond film is laughable at best.
FACT- Connery was not the official Bond of record in 1983. Moore was.
FACT- EON didn't produce the movie. Who cares if they own it now? What counts is that at that time everyone with half a functioning brain knew that OP was the official EON release. EON doesn't recognize NSNA as official to this day. Is the movie in the Ultimate DVD set along with the official releases? Or the BOND50 Blu-Ray set? It would be if they agreed with this premise. Their opinion is the only correct one. Anyone arguing that their personal opinion counts over the people and family who have brought us now 23 movies and 50 years of general excellence, is an opinion both arrogant and unreasonable and not in keeping with the facts and common sense.
@SirHenryLeeChaChing Is the Gold Bond commercial a Bond commercial because the actor calls himself "Jimmy Bond"
This ties in with the CR 67 comparisons. NSNA is a film, that isn't a parody, with the character of James Bond, played by Sean Connery, with recurring Bond characters like M. It's a Bond film. It's just not EON produced. CR 54 came first, so by that logic, aren't none of the EON films "official"? Because they weren't made by whoever made CR 54?
NSNA is a Thunderball REMAKE. A second rate, piss poor version of the original which didn't need remaking.
Did TB need remaking? No. Is NSNA second rate compared to the original TB? Yes. Is it piss poor? No, I don't think it is.
CR 54 stars Jimmy Bond, so it's not a Bond film. CR 67 is a parody, so it's not a Bond film. But NSNA, is a Bond film.
Just my opinion...
I always support official films over non-official ones.
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Uhhh, I always support a good story over a bad one, and I think this film bothers many Moore fans because it is so clearly a better film than VTAK and OP.
It certainly had a great Blofeld, I'll say that.
This film doesn't bother me because I'm a Moore fan, I'm not that big of one if you've ever read my posts. It bothers me more because I'm a Connery fan and we didn't need a piss poor TB ripoff. It bothers me because McClory, Connery, and the studio that financed and released that sorry excuse for a Bond movie conspired to take EON and Bond down out of personal spite. Supporting NSNA that summer, in my opinion, was tantamount to spitting in EON's face. My father and brother caught holy hell from me for that, and for good reason.
If someone wants to like NSNA, that's their call what they do with their time. If someone wants to say NSNA is a Bond film, that's their opinion. But what NSNA is not is an official Bond film. If you say it is or count it as official, you're ignorant of the facts and need to get your head out of your arse. Done.
=D> Returning the favor Sir.
I'm a Moore fan and NSNA doesn't bother me (but to be fair, you said many Moore fans are bothered by it, not all). I'm just happy we got another Bond film, and I disagree that it's in any way better than OP & AVTAK. I think quality wise, OP destroyed NSNA. And I like AVTAK even more.
True. NSNA will never be an official Bond film. I don't even compare it to the 22 others, nor can I place it in my Bond film rankings. I do, however, think that it is a Bond film. But I don't include it in my latest Bond marathons. I think it is better as an action film I watch randomly (which happens to be somewhat Bondian and with Bond in the lead role). As a Bond film I think it's lackluster and in a Bond marathon I find it to be dull and cheap.
I'm not saying the film is perfect, but I enjoy it to this day.
Just forget about that stuff when you're watching it and try not to compare it to the original TB (which is better, yeah). Just enjoy it.
Maybe it's not "official", but I count it in my list because it is a Bond film, just not an official, EON produced one.
And isn't it ass in America? ;)
Ok, well I also think Connery seemed confident, but in my opinion the same applies to Moore. I think Moore was much better when it comes to coolness and elegance. In NSNA I think Connery did well with his laid-back, cool performance, which I rank as his best (in competition with DAF). He was perhaps the highlight of the movie, raising the quality by himself. But Moore's performance in OP was even better!
Roger thought this SITUATION and CHARACTER was funny, and that's probably why I don't like his films.
I agree with the pink tie, there is no excuse for that I'd rather have an invisible car (no moaning about the colour possible :D ).
However 007 dressing up in a Japanese diguise is pure Fleming as written in YOLT. So I will not ever complain about that. It is one of the parts that remeianed truthfull to the book as written by Fleming.
Give Connery enough money and he would've done it. The only ones I could see actually refusing are Dalton and Craig.
I have no problem with the clown suit, that scene is tense and great, and it does fit the story.
Well,The japanese disguise LOOKED sillier than the clown suit. Actually, Daf is sillier than the clown suit.
There is, to me at least, a kind of classiness and style to NSNA that Moore's latter films lacked.