The GEORGE LAZENBY Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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    007HallY wrote: »
    @HildebrandRarity already mentioned this clip before (I had not seen it until it was mentioned), but I feel recent events about Lazenby give this a whole different dimension, haha.


    This popped into my mind immediately when I heard about what happened. I remember chuckling at this clip at the time. Now it feels VERY uncomfortable.

    I'd say there's something just a bit sad about it...
    bondywondy wrote: »
    I think it's all an act albeit in bad taste. The reason I say his behavior is an act is this video is the most normal Laxenby has ever been. He's not showing off. If anything he comes over a bit insecure/indecisive regarding playing Bond.

    Interview starts at 3 mins 40 - in black and white:



    My guess is he has insecurity so has to mention his sexual conquests in many interviews but that 1970 interview is the real George Lazenby. Just his true self.

    "I was very uptight. "

    Dictionary definition of uptight:
    "worried or nervous and not able to relax:"

    In reality he was far from being this confident lady's man on set. He admitted he was uptight... nervous/anxious. A man with self doubt about his time as Bond. Not some guy acting like Hugh Hefner.

    My guess is he wants people to think he was like Bond in real life hence his need to mention his sexual escapades!

    That's an interesting interview. I suppose it's natural he'd put on that 'act'. I mean, putting one on essentially got him cast as Bond, so why not keep it up?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think it's Lazenby's way of being entertaining. But his jokes are more likely to work in a bar/nightclub or a gathering of friends, than at public events. Maybe he just forgot that.
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    George "Lazyboy" :D
  • Oh George please stop embarrassing yourself. You aren't a big star anymore. OHMSS, great film but you aren't bigger than the film!
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    Oh George please stop embarrassing yourself. You aren't a big star anymore. OHMSS, great film but you aren't bigger than the film!

    Wait, this isn't Craig, at least he didn't demanded to get his character killed off. :D :)
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    That libidinous Laz probably tells those stories everywhere he goes...

    Laz: So I was with having fun with these two sheilas at my place, and then I heard a knock on the door. Who was it? It was my next door neighbor. That bird was a stunner, let me tell ya. Anyway, all three of us went to the...
    Random guy: Look, I just asked if you had the time!
    Laz: Sure, I had the time of my life with them broads!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    This man spent his youth in vastly different times. Unless someone media-trained him before the concert tour, I think we should go easy on him. Here's an octagenarian who may not fully understand all the quibbles and fusses of today's society. Grandpa acted up. And we don't agree. And now we can move on without vilifying old George.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    This man spent his youth in vastly different times. Unless someone media-trained him before the concert tour, I think we should go easy on him. Here's an octagenarian who may not fully understand all the quibbles and fusses of today's society. Grandpa acted up. And we don't agree. And now we can move on without vilifying old George.

    Agreed!

    He's still one of the Bonds and I respect him for that.

    Let's stop magnifying this issue, it's already in the past, let's move on.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    All the Bonds are human and despicable if you look for it and emphasize it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Strewth, was ever a bloke more misunderstood. Fair go mate!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    This man spent his youth in vastly different times. Unless someone media-trained him before the concert tour, I think we should go easy on him. Here's an octagenarian who may not fully understand all the quibbles and fusses of today's society. Grandpa acted up. And we don't agree. And now we can move on without vilifying old George.

    I agree.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yes he lived in vastly different times. But is he an idiot? Why would he think his ribald sense of humour would work in this setting? I don't give him a pass on this, he was kicked off and rightly so. I don't think he should pay for this sin for a long time however. I don't wish to see a lifetime ban. He lost a gig because of it, move on and let him be.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    He certainly isn't an idiot. But think about his 'Becoming Bond' film from a few years ago. That one virtually celebrated free sex, drugs and more free sex. Lazenby was allowed to proudly boast of his many sexual conquests in no uncertain terms. The film even showed nudity and two men "at it" with the same girl. All of that got a pass; in fact, it was well-received. Now, five years later, he seems to have clumsily added explicit details and caustic remarks to his stories, yes, and those cannot be condoned. Someone should have informed him that audiences don't go for that anymore, that he's not in a pub having a few drinks and laughs, that you don't "upset" people just for shits and giggles anymore and certainly not with remarks about women, gay people and, oh well, the Queen. But I can't believe he was out for blood. I don't think he wanted to hurt anyone or give certain groups of people the finger. I think he may be a little confused over what is allowed (see Becoming Bond) and what isn't (and when and in front of whom). I simply think we sometimes overestimate the finesse of other folks, especially those who spent a lifetime bathing in rough masculinity. I think it was wise to dismiss Lazenby from the tour; I merely believe that from here on, we can lay the incident to rest since I don't think he ever meant any harm or had any bad intentions.

    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Oh George please stop embarrassing yourself. You aren't a big star anymore.

    He never was.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    Oh George please stop embarrassing yourself. You aren't a big star anymore.

    He never was.

    He's a big star in Hong Kong though, but of course those were the days.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot. But think about his 'Becoming Bond' film from a few years ago. That one virtually celebrated free sex, drugs and more free sex. Lazenby was allowed to proudly boast of his many sexual conquests in no uncertain terms. The film even showed nudity and two men "at it" with the same girl. All of that got a pass; in fact, it was well-received. Now, five years later, he seems to have clumsily added explicit details and caustic remarks to his stories, yes, and those cannot be condoned. Someone should have informed him that audiences don't go for that anymore, that he's not in a pub having a few drinks and laughs, that you don't "upset" people just for shits and giggles anymore and certainly not with remarks about women, gay people and, oh well, the Queen. But I can't believe he was out for blood. I don't think he wanted to hurt anyone or give certain groups of people the finger. I think he may be a little confused over what is allowed (see Becoming Bond) and what isn't (and when and in front of whom). I simply think we sometimes overestimate the finesse of other folks, especially those who spent a lifetime bathing in rough masculinity. I think it was wise to dismiss Lazenby from the tour; I merely believe that from here on, we can lay the incident to rest since I don't think he ever meant any harm or had any bad intentions.

    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Agreed!
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 11
    I have to agree with the poster who said how tragic it is for a man in his 80s to be boasting in public about his sexual adventures half a century ago.

    George did a fine job in his one Bond movie. OHMSS as an overall package is one of the best movies of the series. I wish he had not been so pigheaded and left the role. But he did and the success and longevity of the series with his successors has left a 'what if' question over his head. He left because he was led to believe Bond would be irrelevant in the 1970s. Ironically here we are in the 2020s and his relevance is only down to Bond. Every Bond actor is defined by that role as their most noteworthy accomplishment as an actor but for George he is the only one for whom it was his only accomplishment.

    No matter how much he claims to have no regret over leaving I think the fact he plays up this rebellious macho ladies man personality is like a coping mechanism to express that he didn't have to play a character called James Bond to live that life. Now maybe it is true he bedded over a thousand woman as he says he did. Stories like that are nothing new. He has been telling a story for years of how his falling out with Diana Rigg actually began as a fledgling relationship that soured after she saw him in a stunt tent *having fun* with an attractive receptionist. Implying she was bitter but in a humorous laddish way. Whether it is true or not only he knows. Diana Rigg never dignified that story with a response. But it is the sort of story that made for a fun after dinner speech to a certain kind of audience for a while. It's not the kind of story you should be telling when you are 80 and the other person is dead. George however is like the kid who peaked in high school. He clings to those glory days when he was young and had no idea what lay in store and over time embellishes and probably makes up a lot of things to sound cooler than he was.

    For example the story of dating a daughter of a famous Australian cricketer was true. Belinda Fingleton was Jack Fingleton's daughter. He is not lying about that or that she moved to England which led to him moving to England. Do I believe the rest of the story about him confronting her English boyfriend and winning her back after taking her away in his car only for fate to finally end their relationship after he got the Bond role? No I don't. I think that is a case of George deciding to play up his Bond likeness in real life because he also tells stories about how he was having sex with women and even threesomes regularly at the time. He can't have loved Belinda that much clearly. But it makes for a fun story - to a certain audience and when you're not 80.
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    I don't think anyone is interested in seeing an 83 year old man brag about his sexual exploits in graphic detail. If grandpa wants to tell us about his salad days he needs to do so with a touch of class and savoir faire. Otherwise he'll come off as a dirty old man. I'm sure all of the other Bond actors have scored as much as George, but none of them was insecure enough to boast about it in detail.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2022 Posts: 16,413
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot.

    I think the jury's out on that one a bit though, isn't it? He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Has it ever been good manners to go on about who you shagged, diarrhea etc. in front of an audience with kids in? In which case I think I missed those original memos! :D Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    MI6HQ wrote: »


    George thanked Daily Express for The article concerning OHMSS' title about the Queen's death, so how do you feel about this guys?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2022 Posts: 16,413
    Yes, you already posted that. I don’t read the Express.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited September 2022 Posts: 24,183
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot.

    I think the jury's out on that one a bit though, isn't it? He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Has it ever been good manners to go on about who you shagged, diarrhea etc. in front of an audience with kids in? In which case I think I missed those original memos! :D Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.

    Kevin Smith built a career out of telling scatological jokes in front of an audience with minors. 😄
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,152
    mtm wrote: »
    Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.
    This is Australia, though... ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot.

    I think the jury's out on that one a bit though, isn't it? He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Has it ever been good manners to go on about who you shagged, diarrhea etc. in front of an audience with kids in? In which case I think I missed those original memos! :D Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.

    Kevin Smith built a career out of telling scatological jokes in front of an audience with minors. 😄

    Sounds like he's a bit of a dick too then! :D
    Venutius wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.
    This is Australia, though... ;)

    :)) Ouch!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot.

    I think the jury's out on that one a bit though, isn't it? He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Has it ever been good manners to go on about who you shagged, diarrhea etc. in front of an audience with kids in? In which case I think I missed those original memos! :D Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.

    Kevin Smith built a career out of telling scatological jokes in front of an audience with minors. 😄

    Sounds like he's a bit of a dick too then! :D

    He sure loves to talk about his man-thing. ;-) But he'd not a bad person.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot.

    I think the jury's out on that one a bit though, isn't it? He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Has it ever been good manners to go on about who you shagged, diarrhea etc. in front of an audience with kids in? In which case I think I missed those original memos! :D Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.

    Kevin Smith built a career out of telling scatological jokes in front of an audience with minors. 😄

    Sounds like he's a bit of a dick too then! :D

    He sure loves to talk about his man-thing. ;-) But he'd not a bad person.

    Silent Bob is not so silent, in real life.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2022 Posts: 16,413
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    He certainly isn't an idiot.

    I think the jury's out on that one a bit though, isn't it? He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    And I'm not even going to say that the man "needs a lesson". If I ever reach his age, I have no doubts that I'll be struggling hard with figuring out what is "okay" and what isn't--in fact, I'm not sure that I am receiving all the relevant memos even today. Times change fast, especially with regard to popular sensitivities. So again, I think someone should have sat down with George for an hour of media-training with updates for 2022.

    Has it ever been good manners to go on about who you shagged, diarrhea etc. in front of an audience with kids in? In which case I think I missed those original memos! :D Being polite and appropriate isn't something which has just been invented in this decade.

    Kevin Smith built a career out of telling scatological jokes in front of an audience with minors. 😄

    Sounds like he's a bit of a dick too then! :D

    He sure loves to talk about his man-thing. ;-) But he'd not a bad person.

    I don't know anything about his shows, but I imagine his audience know what to expect.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    What would be George's reaction if the next title for Bond 26 is On His Majesty's Secret Service?
  • edited September 2022 Posts: 4,162
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    What would be George's reaction if the next title for Bond 26 is On His Majesty's Secret Service?

    Going from recent events he'd probably drunkenly recount an awkward story about how he once got a girl to call him 'the King' in bed or something.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited September 2022 Posts: 482
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think it's vilifying him to say he acts like a bit of a dick.

    Entirely agree.
    He certainly made what is a strong candidate for the most stupid decision in the history of movies! :)

    He simply wasn't interested in playing Bond for years. He didn't have the patience or the diplomacy for that. In retrospect, he made the right choice for him. Sure, he did it in the worst possible way, as he ended up blacklisted, but he didn't leave the part just because he believed what Ronan O'Rahilly had told him.

    I tend to believe what (if I remember correctly) Charles Halfenstein told about the negotiations for a longterm contract which apparently happened after the OHMSS premiere. Lazenby hadn't actually left the part at that point, even if he may have wanted to. But the threat of a second actor leaving the part made Saltzmann quite anxious about the future of the franchise, he agreed to some of the demands, then O'Rahilly tried to push his luck and made some unreasonable requests. Except that, at that point, Broccoli was mad about it, called the bluff and got rid of both Lazenby and O'Rahilly.

    "Becoming Bond" gives us a good glimpse into Lazenby's state of mind. He's not very sophisticated, he's impulsive, he had a lot of carnal appetite, he was good-looking and took advantage of it, and made a career as a model.
    Like almost any male actor and wannabe actor, or more exactly like almost any guy of his age, he wanted to "be" Bond. And when the part was available, he managed to get it, in a stroke of luck.
    But during production, he realized that it was tedious. He had to shoot take after take, the days were long, the producers and the director gave him material that fitted Connery more than his own personality (which wasn't taken into consideration, an issue that Roger Moore faced too on his first two entries), he had been short-changed on his allowance and his fee because he hadn't bothered to really negotiate, etc.
    And then, before the premiere, he receives a 50-page (or so) contract draft that would regulate every moment of his life in exchange for being Bond for something close to 10 or 15 years.
    Lazenby, having some anti-authority streak, must have been apoplectic when he saw that he couldn't be seen in public with facial hair and when he discovered similar obligations.
    He realized that, even outside of the few months he would shoot a movie, his whole life would still be very regulated. So, goodbye one-night-stands, threesomes, doing acid, orgies, etc.
    Then, comes the humiliation of discovering at the last minute that his voice had been entirely dubbed for the Hillary Bray segments. As no-one had told him about it.
    And it's obvious that he felt trapped. He grew a beard just to defy Harry and Cubby, he told in interviews that he didn't think that Bond would outlast the seventies. And he hired a manager, a rookie who wasn't even 30, to negotiate a multi-million pounds (or Australian dollars, but a million AUD is less impressive) contract on his behalf. If he had been honest with himself, he would have acknowledged earlier that he wasn't a good fit for such a machine, and left on more amicable terms. Instead he let the situation deteriorate, at his own disadvantage (with a touch of passive aggressiveness), and left the part in the worst possible circumstances.
    But, as soon as he returned to a certain degree of anonymity and tabloids stopped following him, he got the one-night-stands back, and it may have mattered more to him at the moment.
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