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  • MalloryMallory
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    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You get a good Bond tune moment after the boat chase when Bond carries an unconscious Camille.

  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I could swear I heard the Bond theme on 3 or 4 occasions during QOS
  • GetafixGetafix
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    I'm not one of those who is obsessed with the Bond theme being used constantly, although it is annoying when there's an obvious point and they don't use it.

    QoS is still a better Bond score than SF or SP.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I agree Arnold is no Barry. And I've been saying for years EON need to aim higher.

    However, Arnold is an infinitely better fit for Bond than Newman ever will be. Arnold's scores for CR (where he also deserves credit for the title song) and QoS are very good, and wipe the floor with SF and SP.

    Yes they do and they do it big style!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I remember a time when Arnold was being flamed a lot.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    I guess if you only get fed porridge for a few years you really start appreciating burgers.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Am I correct in my memory of Arnold being instructed, or deciding, not to use the Bond theme or the established "Bond music" for Casino Royale. The thought was that Bond was not they Bond we've come to know so the music should reflect that. If this is true I believe it gave him a freedom to be more adventurous and creative. The scores for CR and QoS are both unique and among his best. They are not typical but both contain the 007 DNA
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited June 2017 Posts: 16,351
    Newman is the musical equivalent of crackers and water. :))
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Am I correct in my memory of Arnold being instructed, or deciding, not to use the Bond theme or the established "Bond music" for Casino Royale. The thought was that Bond was not they Bond we've come to know so the music should reflect that. If this is true I believe it gave him a freedom to be more adventurous and creative. The scores for CR and QoS are both unique and among his best. They are not typical but both contain the 007 DNA
    This is true, although I also think his Brosnan era scores (sans TND) are massively overlooked.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
    The lack of Bond theme in QoS is not a product of Arnold, but a product of Marc Forster wanting to strip the film of all Bondian qualities. Nevertheless, Arnold is able evoke a sense of Bondian flare throughout the score, more prominent than anything in Newman's efforts.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    jake24 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
    The lack of Bond theme in QoS is not a product of Arnold, but a product of Marc Forster wanting to strip the film of all Bondian qualities. Nevertheless, Arnold is able evoke a sense of Bondian flare throughout the score, more prominent than anything in Newman's efforts.
    I strongly object to the assumption that Marc Forster wanted to strip the film of all Bondian qualities.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    boldfinger wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
    The lack of Bond theme in QoS is not a product of Arnold, but a product of Marc Forster wanting to strip the film of all Bondian qualities. Nevertheless, Arnold is able evoke a sense of Bondian flare throughout the score, more prominent than anything in Newman's efforts.
    I strongly object to the assumption that Marc Forster wanted to strip the film of all Bondian qualities.
    Don't get me wrong, I love QoS as much as the next guy, but if there was one section the film could improve upon, it would be the lack of Bondian qualities. Remove Bond himself, M, the score, and some of the glamour, and you have little left to identify it as a Bond film. Didn't Forster try to omit the gunbarrel entirely?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    jake24 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
    The lack of Bond theme in QoS is not a product of Arnold, but a product of Marc Forster wanting to strip the film of all Bondian qualities. Nevertheless, Arnold is able evoke a sense of Bondian flare throughout the score, more prominent than anything in Newman's efforts.
    I strongly object to the assumption that Marc Forster wanted to strip the film of all Bondian qualities.
    Don't get me wrong, I love QoS as much as the next guy, but if there was one section the film could improve upon, it would be the lack of Bondian qualities. Remove Bond himself, M, the score, and some of the glamour, and you have little left to identify it as a Bond film. Didn't Forster try to omit the gunbarrel entirely?

    You would also have to remove the ladies, the opera meeting, the plot of resource domination, the title sequence, the PTS, Mathis and Felix, the beautifully captured exotic locations, the Michael G. Wilson cameo, and Fields drowned in oil. But yes, then you'd probably start to see something that less resembles a James Bond film.

    I'm with @boldfinger on this one: QoS screams James Bond like Barry-wrangled brass.

    And yes, the James Bond theme is woven throughout the score here.

  • barryt007barryt007
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    Brilliant...yet another reason QOS is my #4 Bond film and I want Arnold back !!!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    With regards to the score, I couldn't agree more. I'm probably the biggest Arnold supporter on these boards.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The Plane chase with a much needed shot in the arm.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    jake24 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
    The lack of Bond theme in QoS is not a product of Arnold, but a product of Marc Forster wanting to strip the film of all Bondian qualities. Nevertheless, Arnold is able evoke a sense of Bondian flare throughout the score, more prominent than anything in Newman's efforts.
    I strongly object to the assumption that Marc Forster wanted to strip the film of all Bondian qualities.
    Don't get me wrong, I love QoS as much as the next guy, but if there was one section the film could improve upon, it would be the lack of Bondian qualities. Remove Bond himself, M, the score, and some of the glamour, and you have little left to identify it as a Bond film. Didn't Forster try to omit the gunbarrel entirely?
    To me QoS feels like a typical Bond film viewed through the filter of someone into the arts, kind of a remix. Craig is even less traditional Bond character than he is in CR, but he owns the film even more, and the film as such is very much traditional Bond, despite all the Bourne style elements.

  • barryt007barryt007
    edited June 2017 Posts: 19,339
    Wow that was an adrenaline rush of a scene,i would re-wind that time and time again with sound effects as well ...bring Arnold back now !!!!

    And the Brosnan era had some seriously good music and score.....wowooow
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Lovely stuff, @Murdock. People who refer to Arnold's Bond efforts as "tuneless" should pay a visit to an otorhinolaryngologist.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thanks @jake24. :) I agree completely.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    On a side note: I would love to one day hear M say: "I didn't realize your expertise included otorhinolaryngology, 007."
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited June 2017 Posts: 1,756
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    Sorry but the QoS soundtrack is 100 times better than the Skyfall soundtrack, and I like them both.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    Sorry but the QoS soundtrack is 100 times better than the Skyfall soundtrack, and I like them both.
    I disagree, and I like them both too. They are different, but both are suitable for the respective films and elevate them.

    Time for new blood on the scoring front I say. We deserve better than what we've gotten in this 'new' post-Cubby era. Far better.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Newman isn't even suitable to compose a paper bag. =))
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited June 2017 Posts: 6,844
    How about plastic?



    On an unrelated note, the above is at least indicative of the excitement Mendes would funnel into scenes like the Rome chase. Just see the moment at 2:04 when you think the bag has disappeared well off to the left, and then—out of nowhere—it shoots back to center screen.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    That sounds like the typical romantic music of the television series Bones. :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    How about plastic?



    On an unrelated note, the above is at least indicative of the excitement Mendes would funnel into scenes like the Rome chase. Just see the moment at 2:04 when you think the bag has disappeared well off to the left, and then—out of nowhere—it shoots back to center screen.
    Haha. I haven't seen this film but that's quite a decent composition there. Anyone who can make something this trivial seem poignant can't be all bad.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    boldfinger wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @Getafix I agree that QoS is his best Bond score but it is also one of the least 'Bondian' scores ever. I am struggling to recite any Bond theme in the score, save for the end gun barrel. Maybe a little in the car chase at the beginning but otherwise its completely absent.

    People who slag of Newman for a 'supposed lack of Bond theme' need to go and listen to the QoS soundtrack again.

    And Skyfall OST > QoS OST

    You're not listening closely enough, then. It's heard multiple times.
    The lack of Bond theme in QoS is not a product of Arnold, but a product of Marc Forster wanting to strip the film of all Bondian qualities. Nevertheless, Arnold is able evoke a sense of Bondian flare throughout the score, more prominent than anything in Newman's efforts.
    I strongly object to the assumption that Marc Forster wanted to strip the film of all Bondian qualities.
    Don't get me wrong, I love QoS as much as the next guy, but if there was one section the film could improve upon, it would be the lack of Bondian qualities. Remove Bond himself, M, the score, and some of the glamour, and you have little left to identify it as a Bond film. Didn't Forster try to omit the gunbarrel entirely?
    To me QoS feels like a typical Bond film viewed through the filter of someone into the arts, kind of a remix. Craig is even less traditional Bond character than he is in CR, but he owns the film even more, and the film as such is very much traditional Bond, despite all the Bourne style elements.

    One of the reasons I really like QoS is that it's such a palette cleanser. It doesn't rely on all the tired old cliches but still has plenty of great Bondian moments.

    It feels like a weight has been lifted because Forster is not weighed down by the history.

    The film has plenty of faults, like most of them do, but overall I like it.

    In tone I feel it's closer to the early Connery films before they became knowing self-parodies.

    And Arnold's score helps.
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