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1) Batman has killed multiple times in older comics, and
2) What’s wrong with having a version of Batman kill? Multiple interpretations of a character are great for variety. I like that Keaton’s Batman is just as messed up as his villains - no less of a freak or madman.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.themix.net/2020/06/rumor-johnny-depp-as-joker-to-be-main-villain-in-batman-beyond-film/amp/
Keaton, Depp and Tim Burton rumour for Batman Beyond
Please do it now!
Batman (and Superman as well) not killing is a consequence of their origins in a storytelling format that was believed to be designed for children. Editorial decision makers circa 1940 concluded that having their heroes kill indiscriminately could lead parents to forbid their children from purchasing comic books. (The great anti-comics crusade of the early '50s proved that to be a valid concern!) If you're talking solely about a Batman designed for adult consumption in the form of movies or R-rated publications, then I suppose you may have a point... however, you have to remember that kids are attending those movies too. DC makes a lot more $$$ off of selling Batman t-shirts for 5 year olds than they do from publishing Black Label comics featuring Bat-characters. You're asking DC to walk a very shaky line if you want them to produce SOME Bat-product specifically designed for adults and other Bat-product aimed at a much younger audience. Personally, I don't WANT my heroes to be as messed-up as the villains they oppose. Your mileage, of course, may vary...
This approach was controversial when Batman Returns was new in that McDonald's had a kid-friendly tie-in and complained when the film had such a downbeat tone and scenes like the Penguin biting a guy's face. I think that's why the studio went for the lighter approach for the next 2 films and Burton and Keaton walked and the series went on hiatus for several years.
I genuinely wish I shared your enthusiasm... But Much of what I have seen (save for the awesome batmobile and batcycle) seem meh to me
Riddler again meh
Penguin Again
Catwoman again....
sigh none of that is exciting to me
The suit and Patterson are also underwhelming
compared this to the idea of Batman v Deathstroke film with Affleck and yeah
I believe this was the panel that lead to editor Whitney Ellsworth enforcing the no-kill rule (from Batman #1):
In an interview Bill Finger noted that after he stopped working directly for Kane and joined DC he was given "one or two sheets of yellow paper—National [aka DC] had its own code. There was to be no scenes of someone being shot with a gun. If you wanted to have a killing you would have one person firing in one panel and the victim would be offstage in the next panel. We weren't allowed to use bullwhips or any kind of torture devices of the sadistic type, no hangings...They had their own code and I respected them for that. That's why Whitney Ellsworth didn't want Batman to use a gun—like the scene in Batman #1 where Batman uses a machine gun in the Batplane on Professor Strange's monsters."
Finger added "National has always been, and still is, a fairly conservative outfit compared to other companies. Conservative in the sense of trying to be clean, upright-good boy scouts...They're the MGM of comics and wanted to stay that way."
Sadly, I think DC's comics are no longer read by kids and already feature R-rated levels of violence. It's significant that what gave DC second thoughts about Black Label Batman was the brouhaha over Batman's penis, not the level of violence. I think the Burton Batman films did a good job of having an occasionally lethal Batman but never straying into the R-rating. The McDonald's flap over Batman Returns was blown out of proportion.
We can also bring James Bond in for comparison. Bond kills in the line of duty--it's his profession in fact--but he doesn't take pleasure in it and does not abuse his licence to kill. He is an example of a hero who kills (some would classify Bond as more of an antihero, but the same could be said for Batman, a vigilante who dresses like a demon). So I don't think a Batman who hates to take human life but occasionally does so is necessarily less of a hero for it--on the other hand, current events are a strong argument for restricting his lethality. No decent human being wants more stories of law enforcement figures committing murder. And since Batman is essentially a costumed policeman...
you are better at fan artist then me so if you can show us the awesomeness :D
Jett considers that Keaton might wear a Kingdom Come style suit...
Which I would be so happy :D
Hmm unsure what to make of this there was a rumored Affleck solo Batman thing for hbo max...
If true well what can I say between this Keaton and Pattinson it’s a great freaking time to be a Batman fan
Awesome! :p
I wish Kevin Conroy could do more Batman too and then we'd have come full circle...
Though from what I saw of crisis on infinite earths (still haven’t watched it in full and I don’t want to but as a Batman fan I feel I must) I don’t know if I want Conroy back with what he agreed to do last time... I do hope if Conroy does come back it’s truer to the character then that nonesense
This is purely wishful thinking from the 'Snyder Cut' folk, who feel legitimatised by Warner making the decision to finally release the much fabled film. However, the truth is the 'Synder Cut' is coming for multiple other reasons beyond the fan campaigning. Mostly, economic.
I think it's fairly simply that Affleck has departed the role. Whilst it's a shame that he didn't get to a standalone film, he was still great in BvS and there are hopes that Snyder can restore some closure to his legacy with the upcoming cut. I think the current iteration of Justice League is pretty woeful, mainly as Affleck just looks weird...he's got a lot of water retention in his face and there's something just off about his performance. You can sense his lack of enthusiasm. Almost like he's being held under duress to give a performance.....He looked beautiful in BvS
But the dude was going through a bad time. I think all the Batman chaos just exacerbated those issues. But he's is going out with Ana De Armas now! So no wonder he's looking better. But I think his time as Batman has come and gone....
Meanwhile, I bloody love the Michael Keaton news. I had zero interest in this Flash movie, however, now we know that the Flash will go into different dimensions and meet the Tim Burton-era Batman....I mean that's really cool.
However, it does make me doubt whether Pattinson is a long-term Batman as reports say Keaton will continue in the main DC continuity. Perhaps after the success of Joker, DC and Warner are trying to do more one-off films? I like that notion. That way Pattinson is only on the hook for one film and (in a perfect world) will play 007 in Bond 26.
I look forward to Affleck's take on the character being redeemed in the Snyder cut of Justice League, as he was basically playing a different version of the character in Whedon's nonsense.
The issue for me here is that DCEU are once again rushing through and not allowing anything to settle or have its chance. We haven't even seen any of these films, yet their impact and future beyond is being discussed already - even among general audiences online. It's exciting for fans and general audiences but I can't help but consider the hasty decisions (in my opinion) being possibly damning to each project. How many universes are we going to be getting, especially considering the WW, Aquaman, Joker and Harley Quinn films as well? Overall I'm more tonally and creatively drawn to Reeves/Pattinson project.
It’s about time the Bat-family got some video game time.
interesting i wonder if this will incorporate elements of battle for the cowl
I have been waiting years for this.