Something of a Must With Me ~ OHMSS Appreciation

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Thank you, Torgeirtrap.

    I agree, it's a great-looking film. Definitely a step up from older entries, especially in the more lively and engaging camera movement. Colorful palette with strong use of purple, great use of sun glare in several shots (including that one of Blofeld looking down that I used on the video), not to mention exciting editing (love the sped up shots myself) and strident, intense sound work.

    Skyfall looks terrific as well, though I do prefer OHMSS.

    All good points re. the cinematography @mattjoes. It stands out from the rest of the series, along with several other elements. The sun glare especially is something that feels unique for this film; I could look at those shots all day!

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    Beautiful shots, @Torgeirtrap!

    They certainly are! I hope Cary Fukunaga and Linus Sandgren have OHMSS in mind when making Bond 25.

    I sincerely hope so too. I think OHMSS has the best cinematography in the series.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Thank you, Torgeirtrap.

    I agree, it's a great-looking film. Definitely a step up from older entries, especially in the more lively and engaging camera movement. Colorful palette with strong use of purple, great use of sun glare in several shots (including that one of Blofeld looking down that I used on the video), not to mention exciting editing (love the sped up shots myself) and strident, intense sound work.

    Skyfall looks terrific as well, though I do prefer OHMSS.

    All good points re. the cinematography @mattjoes. It stands out from the rest of the series, along with several other elements. The sun glare especially is something that feels unique for this film; I could look at those shots all day!

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    Beautiful shots, @Torgeirtrap!

    They certainly are! I hope Cary Fukunaga and Linus Sandgren have OHMSS in mind when making Bond 25.

    I sincerely hope so too. I think OHMSS has the best cinematography in the series.

    Indeed. Won't expect Bond 25 to include a location as great as Piz Gloria though, but one can always hope!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Thank you, Torgeirtrap.

    I agree, it's a great-looking film. Definitely a step up from older entries, especially in the more lively and engaging camera movement. Colorful palette with strong use of purple, great use of sun glare in several shots (including that one of Blofeld looking down that I used on the video), not to mention exciting editing (love the sped up shots myself) and strident, intense sound work.

    Skyfall looks terrific as well, though I do prefer OHMSS.

    All good points re. the cinematography @mattjoes. It stands out from the rest of the series, along with several other elements. The sun glare especially is something that feels unique for this film; I could look at those shots all day!

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    Beautiful shots, @Torgeirtrap!

    They certainly are! I hope Cary Fukunaga and Linus Sandgren have OHMSS in mind when making Bond 25.

    I sincerely hope so too. I think OHMSS has the best cinematography in the series.

    Indeed. Won't expect Bond 25 to include a location as great as Piz Gloria though, but one can always hope!

    Thought they were filming in Norway, plenty of stunning landscapes there though ;)
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Thank you, Torgeirtrap.

    I agree, it's a great-looking film. Definitely a step up from older entries, especially in the more lively and engaging camera movement. Colorful palette with strong use of purple, great use of sun glare in several shots (including that one of Blofeld looking down that I used on the video), not to mention exciting editing (love the sped up shots myself) and strident, intense sound work.

    Skyfall looks terrific as well, though I do prefer OHMSS.

    All good points re. the cinematography @mattjoes. It stands out from the rest of the series, along with several other elements. The sun glare especially is something that feels unique for this film; I could look at those shots all day!

    fe58725bcea0599adf40c48632f62218-large.png
    ohmss-3.jpg
    D2FtNY6U4AERvdN.jpg
    Beautiful shots, @Torgeirtrap!

    They certainly are! I hope Cary Fukunaga and Linus Sandgren have OHMSS in mind when making Bond 25.

    I sincerely hope so too. I think OHMSS has the best cinematography in the series.

    Indeed. Won't expect Bond 25 to include a location as great as Piz Gloria though, but one can always hope!

    Thought they were filming in Norway, plenty of stunning landscapes there though ;)

    Depends on how much they'll film over here, I guess – but the places they're apparently looking to shoot are definitely some of the best western Norway have to offer. As long as they make the most out of the locations - small sequence(s) or not, I'll be happy!
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited May 2019 Posts: 7,021
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »


    (@GoldenGun, you might enjoy this.)

    @mattjoes Goosebumps! A lot of goosebumps! The European music gives it a lovely artistic touch, absolutely love it. This is truly very well-made, perhaps the best fan trailer I've ever come across. You're a genius!
    That is some major praise, @GoldenGun! Thank you!

    A very good fit, but more of a homage than a trailer, right?
    That's right. I knew going in it wouldn't be a trailer, because the music was too good not to be used to underscore the ending of the film, and that's something that obviously couldn't be in a trailer. I've got some ideas to use more Morricone music in future videos.
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    I've said this elsewhere, but I'm a huge fan of OHMSS. I spend a lot of time around the area where it was filmed, so I'm a bit biased.
    Regardless, here's my bold argument for it: it's #2 behind SP for the film with the most talent on both sides of the camera. Whether you like the final product or not, you can't argue with, say, Rigg and Savalas as actors with great presence, or with Bogner's ski scenes.
    A classic example of the Cubby ethos of 'putting all the money on the screen.' It's not a perfect film of course, but the quality of the cast and crew has really helped it age well.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    "The music is the main theme of Le clan des Siciliens (The Sicilian Clan) by Ennio Morricone."

    Thanks again Matt!
    I’ve watched it eight times now, and I like it more with each viewing.

    To my ears (anyway) the music had a vague “1960s Italian Western” vibe, so I’m not surprised that it was Ennio Morricone. Didn’t he score “Operation Kid Brother” (1967)?” If so, Morricone actually did score a “Bond” movie of a sort, since it starred Sean Connery’s brother Neil, Daniela Bianchi (FRWL), Adolfo Celi (TB), Anthony Dawson (DN), Bernard Lee and Lois Maxwell.

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    For me OHMSS ranks high because of the following factors:
    (1) It breaks the mold in a bold way (which is mostly thanks to Fleming and the screenwriting)
    (2) Barry's Score
    (3) Rigg and Salvalas
    (4) Piz Gloria

    That said, while I can appreciate the technical limitations of the time, I find myself attracted to more modern movies, namely Casino Royale. While CR is not the first to be a mold-breaker Bond film (OHMSS), it does so as well, but also with a "need up the ante" drive that is so apparent in the film. Both films are special.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Dwayne wrote: »
    "The music is the main theme of Le clan des Siciliens (The Sicilian Clan) by Ennio Morricone."

    Thanks again Matt!
    I’ve watched it eight times now, and I like it more with each viewing.

    To my ears (anyway) the music had a vague “1960s Italian Western” vibe, so I’m not surprised that it was Ennio Morricone. Didn’t he score “Operation Kid Brother” (1967)?” If so, Morricone actually did score a “Bond” movie of a sort, since it starred Sean Connery’s brother Neil, Daniela Bianchi (FRWL), Adolfo Celi (TB), Anthony Dawson (DN), Bernard Lee and Lois Maxwell.

    Morricone did score Kid Brother! Along with Bruno Nicolai. I'm not familiar with that score, but since Morricone worked on it and the movie is a quasi-Bond film, it's certainly of interest!
  • edited May 2019 Posts: 17,756
    Re. Kid Brother, here is some music from the film. Not OHMSS great, but fitting the tone of the movie:

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I’m secretly hoping some members will now feel the urge to watch the gem that is Le clan des siciliens.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited May 2019 Posts: 3,497
    The reasons why I hold this movie in such a high esteem:

    1) Savalas as Blofeld
    2) The cinematography
    3) Great soundtrack, especially the 007 theme
    4) The AM DBS
    5) The opening with Bond saving Tracy from drowning
    6) One of the coldest endings ever put to screen, the way they show the bullet hole during the end credits...

    Lazenby cried during the first take, I still cry after so many times!

    Which leads me briefly into TSWLM: "All right, you've made your point". That line is one of the reasons why I very much like that movie.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,120
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    The reasons why I hold this movie in such a high esteem:

    1) Savalas as Blofeld
    2) The cinematography
    3) Great soundtrack, especially the 007 theme
    4) The AM DBS
    5) The opening with Bond saving Tracy from drowning
    6) One of the coldest endings ever put to screen, the way they show the bullet hole during the end credits...

    Lazenby cried during the first take, I still cry after so many times!

    Which leads me briefly into TSWLM: "All right, you've made your point". That line is one of the reasons why I very much like that movie.

    And LTK after Felix’ wedding. A touching moment, excellently performed by Tim.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    The reasons why I hold this movie in such a high esteem:

    1) Savalas as Blofeld
    2) The cinematography
    3) Great soundtrack, especially the 007 theme
    4) The AM DBS
    5) The opening with Bond saving Tracy from drowning
    6) One of the coldest endings ever put to screen, the way they show the bullet hole during the end credits...

    Lazenby cried during the first take, I still cry after so many times!

    Which leads me briefly into TSWLM: "All right, you've made your point". That line is one of the reasons why I very much like that movie.

    And LTK after Felix’ wedding. A touching moment, excellently performed by Tim.

    Oh yes absolutely. :(
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    No.1 and don't imagine it to change, my favourite aspect will never be topped, that score, it's a masterpiece in its own right.
    Love the film.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I’m secretly hoping some members will now feel the urge to watch the gem that is Le clan des siciliens.

    I'm due for another watch of it. About to embark in a little French film crime/cop film marathon. Belmondo and Delon movies.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    I love all those little call backs to Tracey. TSWLM and LTK as mentioned. I even include the little pause Brosnan gives in TWINE when Electra asks him if he's ever lost anyone. That may be a bit of fan fiction on my part but I've always read that moment as a Tracey reference.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited May 2019 Posts: 7,120
    cwl007 wrote: »
    I love all those little call backs to Tracey. TSWLM and LTK as mentioned. I even include the little pause Brosnan gives in TWINE when Electra asks him if he's ever lost anyone. That may be a bit of fan fiction on my part but I've always read that moment as a Tracey reference.

    Me too. TWINE is full of OHMSS references, can’t imagine they would have meant that differently.
    mattjoes wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I’m secretly hoping some members will now feel the urge to watch the gem that is Le clan des siciliens.

    I'm due for another watch of it. About to embark in a little French film crime/cop film marathon. Belmondo and Delon movies.

    Definitely worthy of some rewatches. Other favourites of mine are Le samouraï and Le cerveau.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I enjoy OHMSS and rank it quite high. I think for all that is right with the movie there are some self inflicted wounds that hinder the movie. These things have nothing to do with Lazenby and in fact added fuel to the fire that he wasn't up to snuff.

    First, I believe Connery stated he was leaving after YOLT. So why the hell did the marketing department feel the need to say in the posters "Sean Connery IS James Bond" They made it a huge factor in the marketing and set it up that the next "fella" was going to have some baggage to carry around.

    Then to compound it the producers decide to make the Credit sequences feature clips from Connery's Bond movies? Who made this decision? As an audience member you are now reminding me that Connery isn't in this one. You are also showing some brilliant films and stacking it against those that went before. I know some argue that due to CR 67 and other spy films that the producers needed to remind the audience that this was the only James Bond. Doesn't that insult the audience? Why not have a credit sequence of time going into the past. Show some skiing and maybe mountains and things to highlight the coming saga. Don't show Connery Bond clips. Even though Connery isn't shown the images picked are rightfully aligned with him.

    Then after Bond resigns from the service we are treated to Bond going down memory lane and pulling out gadgets from previous missions. Again why are we doing this? You are again reminding the audience that Connery isn't here. The audience is now recalling DN, FRWL and TB (three pretty strong Connery movies) and you are seeing another "fella" in the role. Have him go back to the office, start to put things into his case but don't have theme music and don't make a big deal of things. Bond never struck me as a sentimentalist so why is he even holding on to Honey's knife? Grants watch? The rebreather? Makes no sense and only serves to remind us Connery isn't in this one.

    Not only that but you have Lazenby looking a lot like Connery through out the film. He's seen wearing a hat, his car has the scope and case from FRWL. He's even driving an Aston Martin. All things that again harken us to Connery. Give Lazenby a Bentley, or another Ford product to drive.

    Then the gambling scene, we see Bond lose! Wait what? Bond never lost in DN or TB when he gambled. He would beat the villain or girl by one point with ease. No here we see a Bond lose at gambling. Doesn't exactly compare well to Connery Bond.

    Finally depending on who you believe either Lazenby was saying "this never happened to the other fella" line throughout the shoot and finally Hunt allowed it in the PTS. Or maybe it was decided to add it at the start. I suppose you could argue it's a cute little joke. It says we aren't going to try to pretend this guy is the same guy. However in the credit sequence you are going to do just that, then again when he's cleaning out his desk. To me the joke could stay in but remove all the references to the "other fella".

    Thankfully the producers learned their lesson in LALD. Moore's Bond isn't seen driving an Aston Martin. He doesn't order martini's shaken not stirred, no hats, or sunglasses that resemble Connery's Bond. But poor George is saddled with a script that has Connery references and touches all over it. He is not allowed out of Connery's shadow. The previous film was marketed as Connery IS James Bond. I feel for George no wonder many say his performance was that of a male model trying to be Bond.

    Any ideas on whose idea it was to pepper the film with Connery references? To have the clips in the credit sequence?
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    The way I always understood it was that they were trying to tell people it's still part of the same universe, same character, just a different guy playing the role. Since OHMSS calls back to YOLT, it kind of had to make references to Blofeld and SPECTRE since they were integral to the film and what had gone before.

    I've also heard the YOLT Sean Connery IS James Bond marketing campaign was a reaction to CR '67 to remind audiences not to be confused that this is the real Bond.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    BT3366 wrote: »
    I've also heard the YOLT Sean Connery IS James Bond marketing campaign was a reaction to CR '67 to remind audiences not to be confused that this is the real Bond.

    And the same slogan was used for NSNA.
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    I happened to be in the alps today, near the Schilthorn. Seemed to be some sort of Bond affair going on - a Rolls Royce full of henchmen in Mürren, some photographers around, etc. Some sort of anniversary event, perhaps?
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2019 Posts: 5,185
    octofinger wrote: »
    I happened to be in the alps today, near the Schilthorn. Seemed to be some sort of Bond affair going on - a Rolls Royce full of henchmen in Mürren, some photographers around, etc. Some sort of anniversary event, perhaps?

    Exactly that. 50 year anniversary. Lazenby and many of the cast and crew are expected to be there.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I see that they are having a good time up at Piz Gloria for the 50th.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Just saw this on FB. George is there as well.

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That is a seriously great picture.
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    For what it's worth it was a stunning day up there - perfect weather.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited June 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Lol that story is complete news to me:

    In January 1969, while working on the movie On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Telly Savalas met actress Sally Adams (billed as Dani Sheridan, one of Blofeld's "Angels of Death"), a small-time actress 25 years his junior. Savalas later moved in with Sally, who gave birth to their son Nicholas Savalas on February 24, 1973. Although Savalas and Sally Adams never legally married, she went by the name Sally Savalas.

    Nice one Telly, you were a true badass.

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    He must have used a hypno tape on her.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    I'm sure she was touched by his dedication... to the job in hand.
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