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  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    While I've got complaints about TLJ, it's a bit disheartening to see all the people on RT bombarding it with bottom-tier reviews to drag down the audience score so hugely.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    While I've got complaints about TLJ, it's a bit disheartening to see all the people on RT bombarding it with bottom-tier reviews to drag down the audience score so hugely.

    Precisely. It's the hip thing to do now. Rant, and rant hard; deprive people of their darlings. Don't balance out the flaws with the good things; just level the film like a condemned building and leave no brick standing.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Was most satisfied, I can see what has got fan boys panties in a bunch but for me the bravery to take it somewhere else and subvert Star wars lore made it far more satisfying than just going the same route that JJ went.

    My worry is now that because of all the divisive opinions of this they'll expect JJ to play it safe and deliver another TFA type episode to cap this trilogy off when Rian has taken Star Wars somewhere new and different.

    Not perfect but certainly not safe or lacking courage to subvert expectations.

    4/5
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    Just finished it. I liked it. Not without flaws but pretty good i thought. Not sure about the intense backlash from some? Current ranking:

    1. The Empire Strikes Back
    2. Revenge of the Sith
    3. Return of the Jedi
    4. Star Wars / A New Hope
    5. The Last Jedi
    6. The Force Awakens
    7. Attack of the Clones
    8. The Phantom Menace
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Han Solo dies
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Parts were brilliant, parts were definitely questionable. It's about a 7.9/10 for me at this point, but i'll need to see it again prior to ranking it.
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    I definitely preferred it to Force Awakens. More interesting story.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I'd have to give The Last Jedi a 9/10. It subverted just enough to feel as close to fresh as a 40 year old franchise based around cyclical myth can be.
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 12,514
    I’d say like a 7.5ish from me. Good not great. If I added ratings...

    ESB - 10/10
    ROTS - 8.5/10
    ROTJ - 8.5/10
    SW/ANH - 8.5/10
    TLJ - 7.5/10
    TFA - 7/10
    AOTC - 5/10
    TPM - 4/10

    Rogue One - 1/10
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    Watching TFA now. It’s a little better than I remember, but still not quite one of my favorites.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I definitely preferred it to Force Awakens. More interesting story.

    Definitely!

    I find it almost revolting that simply recycling an old story apparently is great with the fans, while a film that tries to take the series somewhere new is not accepted. There are too many nerds in the SW fan community...
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    @jobo I liked TFA, but definitely not as much. I was glad they didn’t recycle the Death Star climax AGAIN in TLJ.
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    Saw the movier last night. Have to say very mixed feelings on it.

    Too much comedy IMO and Mark Hamill just seemed like he did not want to be in this movie at all. Totally phoned it in. You can tell with this trilogy that Disney is leaving their stamp on the franchise.
    nothing will every beat the original trilogy.
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    Itschilarious deriding the people Knocking this as 'fanboys' when most people are just getting no over their Spectre criticisms on here.

    One other logic flaw. The bomber in the first sequence. It would require gravity for the bombs to drop.
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Itschilarious deriding the people Knocking this as 'fanboys' when most people are just getting no over their Spectre criticisms on here.

    One other logic flaw. The bomber in the first sequence. It would require gravity for the bombs to drop.

    That is a ridiculous bit of nitpicking! That SW defies scientific logic is nothing new. With no oxcygen, how can there be fire and visible explotions in space?

    Why not take it further? It's been scientifically proven that the we can never reach speeds higher than the speed of light. The whole franchize is one big scam, don't you think?
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    Yes I am just being daft of course. It doesn't bother me at all that bit. Just quite funny once I realised.

    There's way greater problems with the film. Like how long is rey with like. We know there is 18 hours of fuel and she is in connection with kylo ren. So is she on achto for a day. Is that it?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    $450Million opening weekend...damn!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Already halfway to its breaking-even point. ;-)
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    This film does not deserve to make back its money
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    Yeah, I agree. Disney needs to learn they can't do new bold things. Back to the drawing board with you. Abrams needs to give us Deathstar 4 and rehash plot of RoTj.

    :D

    (Joking aside, there already was a bit if RotJ in TLA)

    You can never please some fans. Too similar, too different,too Disney , too 'omg, Lucas had ruind my childhood'.

    Even if Lucas was still in charge, there would be an outrage.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    But I dislike TFA so... I don’t want another death star
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 7,507
    SharkBait wrote: »
    Yeah, I agree. Disney needs to learn they can't do new bold things. Back to the drawing board with you. Abrams needs to give us Deathstar 4 and rehash plot of RoTj.

    :D

    (Joking aside, there already was a bit if RotJ in TLA)

    You can never please some fans. Too similar, too different,too Disney , too 'omg, Lucas had ruind my childhood'.

    Even if Lucas was still in charge, there would be an outrage.

    Many of the same people that have slammed and ridiculed Lucas ever since Phantom Menace now claim Disney have no rights to SW and are ruining it's legacy. It's quite ironic...
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    I don't think anyone would really want that.

    My point was if the backlash for TLJ could make Disney want to force another rehash and Abrams would be all in for that.
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 3,327
    I have no issues with the franchise trying to go in new directions. I'm all for that. What i don't like is poor, sloppy film-making, silly, muddled plot-holes, and a horrible underlying Disney message of blatantly disgusting social commentary and PC correctness - vegetarian is good, religion books are bad, feminism is good, being rich is bad, you can be a nobody and become a somebody, etc.

    The twists were ridiculous, ten-a-penny and silly. It felt like they were making things up as they went along. Pacing was shocking. There wasn't one gripping moment in the entire film. Character development was non-existent. We were asked to feel immediate sympathy for characters who come a cropper during the film, yet we were only just introduced to them, and not knowing anything about their backstory.

    Snoke had no backstory whatsoever, and an entire casino scene reverting back to the awful CGI prequels was totally not needed for the story whatsoever. Take that out and the conclusion in the film would be exactly the same. It brought nothing except an obvious shoe-in irritation of the highest order, and transformed Finn and his oriental (tick-box for the Chinese market) girl-friend into characters that you are willing to be killed off, which was a shame because we rooted for Finn in the first film. This director didn't know what to do with him.

    Had they got some of the basics of film-making right, then the unforgivable mess they did with Mark Hamill's most famous hero character in the entire franchise could have become a bit more palatable. As it was, it just added to the shambles littered throughout.

    Mark my words. This is the DAD of the Star Wars franchise. The backlash is yet to come - but it will, believe me.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    @jetsetwilly, I'm a little more forgiving, but can't dispute anything you've written. A lot of that went through my mind as I viewed it as well, particularly the overt PC. I sincerely hope that doesn't infect Bond.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited December 2017 Posts: 7,314
    Well, I just got back and overall I enjoyed it. My only real criticisms are that it's too long (and as a result, jam-packed with too many characters and subplots) and the humor didn't always work. In fact, I was shocked at how much humor was attempted.

    The good moments are really good however and there are plenty of surprises, some of which I'm still trying to wrap my head around. Mark Hamill and Adam Driver gave excellent performances. I'm shocked that some people think this is on par with the prequels. This film certainly has flaws, but not on that level.

    It's not as good as the first two original films, and let's be honest, no SW film probably ever will be again, but it's a worthy addition to the franchise and head and shoulders above the likes of TPM and AOTC.
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    Yes, i think so too. Nothing will ever be as good as the first two. But it's way better than the prequels.

    It's like RotJ good in some parts, but not quite there up with the first two.
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    The Star Wars universe I'm afraid is so very very small. Four films with Death Stars or variations, probably 5/6 where 'infiltrating an enemy base to disable something' so we can conclude the film.

    I agree. I'm just a casual SW fan, but god this was poor. Terrible humour. I don't mind the diversity I really don't. I just dislike being served shoddy work.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    The Star Wars universe I'm afraid is so very very small. Four films with Death Stars or variations, probably 5/6 where 'infiltrating an enemy base to disable something' so we can conclude the film.

    I agree. I'm just a casual SW fan, but god this was poor. Terrible humour. I don't mind the diversity I really don't. I just dislike being served shoddy work.

    I haven't seen TLJ, but is the issue I'm having that I hope the new trilogy will rectify: you have this unending, massive, sprawling universe, yet it always falls back on the same few characters or the same few families.

    I'd love for the new trilogy to make note of NOTHING we've seen or heard of already. No Skywalkers or Solos or any of it.
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