Last Bond Movie You Watched

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  • edited December 2017 Posts: 7,507
    mattjoes wrote: »
    They're like pizza and sex, remember? Good, even when they're bad.


    - "I'm soo good"
    - "Especially when you're bad!"

    Never realized that exchange was actually about the movie itself!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Barry, I feel the same about Carrey Lowell as you do about Kara Milovy, hehe...

    As much as I don't like the actress that plays Sanchez's mistress, she should have been the main Bond girl of LTK. They could have done a FRWL type thing where the girl is torn between loyalties.

    I had a serious crush on Pam....still do !!

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    I think Pam should've been the 100% focus of the film, and Lupe more reduced, but that's just me. I can't stand the forced relationship between Bond and Lupe and Soto's poor deliveries of the melodrama don't help things. In the best case, Lupe could be made the victim of Sanchez's volatile temper and mood who Bond rescues through his scheming inside the cartel, but I think making her a lover of Bond's on top of it was a step too far and it doesn't feel right in execution. The general feeling of the 80s Bond films seemed to be that Bond had to that a fling with every Bond girl there was no matter how non-sensical it was for the plot, with the thankful exception of Bibi. ;)

    Also, add me to the list of those who crush on "Legs" Lowell.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think it might have been better if they just hadn't included any romantic aspect between Pam and Bond. That whole element seemed a bit forced with me. Bond sleeping with Lupe for the job's sake as he usually does worked for me, but the jealousy thing didn't. If it was like Bond/Goodhead (casual), that would have worked better for me too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Also, add me to the list of those who crush on "Legs" Lowell.
    Oh yes. And that dress near the end... OMG....
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it might have been better if they just hadn't included any romantic aspect between Pam and Bond. That whole element seemed a bit forced with me. Bond sleeping with Lupe for the job's sake as he usually does worked for me, but the jealousy thing didn't. If it was like Bond/Goodhead (casual), that would have worked better for me too.

    Good point, @bondjames. In all fairness the last second jealousy of Pam does get annoying, in much the same way that Lupe's star in her eyes love for Bond does. And it really sinks Pam's character as a result, as she feels more pettily consumed with envy than she should be considering her independent and strong streak. Instead of acting like a woman, she was acting like a girl.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it might have been better if they just hadn't included any romantic aspect between Pam and Bond. That whole element seemed a bit forced with me. Bond sleeping with Lupe for the job's sake as he usually does worked for me, but the jealousy thing didn't. If it was like Bond/Goodhead (casual), that would have worked better for me too.

    Good point, @bondjames. In all fairness the last second jealousy of Pam does get annoying, in much the same way that Lupe's star in her eyes love for Bond does. And it really sinks Pam's character as a result, as she feels more pettily consumed with envy than she should be considering her independent and strong streak. Instead of acting like a woman, she was acting like a girl.
    You've got it @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. That was my point. It somewhat undermined what should have been (and actually was in other ways) a strong independent character, which is what they were going for.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @bondjames, that's part of why I really love Camille. She was a Pam type character done right, where she was simply a skilled agent/woman helping Bond that didn't need to be anything more, or just another bed mate for him. The script didn't force a love angle and also found a nice way of tying in her own feelings of revenge to challenge what is on Bond's mind throughout as he comes face to face with those who were entangled with Vesper.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I agree and was going to suggest Camille earlier. However, given LTK was made in the 80's they probably had to have them sleep together, and that's why the casual nature of Bond/Goodhead came to mind first.

    Arguably this all began with Bond/Melina in FYEO, where they didn't hook up until the end and even then it was interrupted by the desire for a moonlight swim. The mutual revenge angle was there too (Bond killed Blofeld in the PTS) but they didn't play it up.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I agree and was going to suggest Camille earlier. However, given LTK was made in the 80's they probably had to have them sleep together, and that's why the casual nature of Bond/Goodhead came to mind first.

    Arguably this all began with Bond/Melina in FYEO, where they didn't hook up until the end and even then it was interrupted by the desire for a moonlight swim. The mutual revenge angle was there too (Bond killed Blofeld in the PTS) but they didn't play it up.

    The thing I like about the Bond and Melina relationship at the very least is that the story serviced the dynamic, in that both characters didn't mess around until both of their respective "missions" were done and that actually made sense for the story and leant it a lot of realism and respect.

    Bond and Camille were the same in QoS with no time for funny business, but I like that the entire film wasn't leading up to them having sex or anything like that. To ground the film even more, Bond and the girl depart with a sort of "thanks for everything kiss" and, like the ending of Moonraker (the novel), she and Bond part and go live their separate lives. I really respect the film for telling a story like that and not being afraid to diverge from the usual Bond+Bond girl dynamic to hit on something more human and interesting very much in touch with the message of the film.

    One of the big reasons I've enjoyed the Craig films so much is partly because of how they've told stories with the leading women that ring true to the films they're in and the very raw nature of how they and their flaws or actions are presented in addition to the more "real" way in which they interact with Bond. Dalton talked about Kara representing a turn away from the superficial Bond girl relationships at the time of TLD's release, and after his era carried into Brosnan's tenure with more of an old school take on the Bond/Bond girl dynamic I think the Craig era returned us back to a more genuine and deep presentation of Bond's interactions with the opposite sex in much the same way Fleming wrote them. Long may it continue.
  • I think that's a bit of an unfair generalisation. I'd say Bond's relationship with Natalya came across as very genuine for example while Bond's relationships with Fields, Severine and Lucia were hardly deep and meaningful (I guess you could argue they weren't main female leads though). I also think that his whole relationship with Elektra was really interesting and nothing like the usual Bond/Bond girl dynamic, so the Brosnan era deserves some credit and the Craig era has had women that exist solely to shag Bond as well.

    I think there have been good and bad Bond girls from the beginning. Even in the 60s there was Kissy, who the film doesn't even bother naming.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think that's a bit of an unfair generalisation. I'd say Bond's relationship with Natalya came across as very genuine for example while Bond's relationships with Fields, Severine and Lucia were hardly deep and meaningful (I guess you could argue they weren't main female leads though). I also think that his whole relationship with Elektra was really interesting and nothing like the usual Bond/Bond girl dynamic, so the Brosnan era deserves some credit and the Craig era has had women that exist solely to shag Bond as well.

    I think there have been good and bad Bond girls from the beginning. Even in the 60s there was Kissy, who the film doesn't even bother naming.

    We have the Brosnan/Bond girl discussion often, but as I always say, you know I think of Natalya as an exception to a pretty mediocre bunch (as is the case for the Brosnan era in my eyes, the possibilities died after GE). But Wai is very paper thin, Elektra I don't find that amazing, Christmas is a headache to me and Jinx is just hilariously bad.

    My comments about the Craig era refer to the women feeling like actual women, and because the films respect them enough to be actual characters worthy of some depth and more realism than we're accustomed (they have life goals, naturally develop, aren't there to be gawked at in tight clothes, etc). I actually wonder about what happens to the women of the latest films after they leave the screen (those that live), how they got to the place we find them in their movie and what makes them tick because the execution makes them feel real to me. I don't feel that same engagement with the majority of the films, and really only with early Connery and OHMSS. That, for me, is monumental.
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 12,837
    I'd argue that at the very least, Elektra definitely feels like more of an actual fleshed out person than Solange, Lucia and Fields. There's so much to her as a character while those three are well written but at the end of the day are just the mandatory shag before the main Bond girl. I think Paris as a character is quite well written and real seeming too, she's just acted appallingly.

    I do agree on Wai Lin being paper thin and Jinx being crap but I think every era has good Bond girls and bad.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I do agree on Wai Lin being paper thin
    Thin enough to kick your arse AND mine...
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 12,837
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I

    I do agree on Wai Lin being paper thin
    Thin enough to kick your arse AND mine...

    I mean she's badass don't get me wrong, and definitely isn't a bad character by any means. I just think that they didn't do enough to make her interesting outside of the action scenes, which is a shame because Michelle Yeoh could have easily been one of the best imo. She is fun though. I love when she waves at Bond as she walks off up the wall and he does that little "oh piss off, seriously?" look.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I love when she waves at Bond as she walks off up the wall and he does that little "oh piss off, seriously?" look.
    Yeah, Michelle made me LOL there....
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2017 Posts: 23,883
    SP

    This really does seem like an ending to me. More readily so than something that they can easily continue with, so I'm curious to see how they proceed in B25.

    This time around I thought Craig was far worse than I've felt before (and I had a very poor impression of him in the past). He's certainly trying but I just don't find him credible in a traditional Bond characterization and it takes me right out of it. There's something about his visage that just doesn't work for the smooth operator type that he's trying to play here - he snarls, smirks and grinds his way through it mostly and just seems annoyed most of the time to me. I can easily see Brosnan acing this film for some reason. It feels as though it was made for his type of characterization and he could have made Bond more likable than Craig does here. Oh well.

    I didn't mind Newman's score this time out, except for the repetitive drone during the final London scene. His work on the PTS shows he can nail it if he tries. Waltz is meh but not terrible. Seydoux has trouble with her elocution but her acting isn't all that bad. I can see her work being much better in a foreign language. Perhaps if Nikki van der Zyl had dubbed her I would have preferred her overall.

    This viewing provided no improvements for me overall. Bring on Nolan please and soon. We need to reset imho.
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    It’s probably Craig’s weakest. It’s too safe and should have been a lot better. That being said, it’s still above my bottom tier and I like plenty about it. Has some really good scenes.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Live and Let Die

    Really enjoyed LALD up until the airport shenanigans. From there on in, the film really suffered, being too reliant on unsatisfying action and a certain Sheriff Pepper.


    Royale’s Ranking, Bondathon October 2017

    1. Skyfall
    2. Goldfinger
    3. Tomorrow Never Dies
    4. The World Is Not Enough
    5. GoldenEye
    6. Diamonds Are Forever
    7. Live and Let Die
    8. Die Another Day
    9. The Man With The Golden Gun


    Next up, Dr. No – linked to LALD thusly – Quarrel; Jamaica; Bond’s pad; no Q etc
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    He's not my cup of tea, I'm afraid. If I wanted to watch a bumbling, red necked Sheriff, slapsticking his away around, I watch Cannonball Run or Smokey and the Bandit. Not my beloved Bond franchise.
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    LALD is easily the funniest Bond film. In addition to great action, it boasts great humor. I’ve always had a soft spot for it.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    He's the only thing in the franchise that makes me laugh out loud.

    That honour, for me, has to go to Sir Rog - "You should never go in there without a mongoose."
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    He's the only thing in the franchise that makes me laugh out loud.

    I liked him in LALD but they all but ruined him by bringing him back inTMWTGG.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Things that make me laugh: Wint and Kidd, FYEO end scene, AVTAK warehouse fight, Bond bossing Tibbett around and Welcome to Scotland!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I quite liked JW in both films actually. He fit the tone they were going for in the respective scenes as both chases had some humour thrown in.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    SP

    This time around I thought Craig was far worse than I've felt before (and I had a very poor impression of him in the past).

    @bondjames Where do you place Craig in a Bond actor ranking?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @mattjoes, I have him at 3 behind Connery and Moore who I see as the big two. I think his SP performance rivals Brosnan's in TWINE for bottom of the barrel however.

    He's good in the role but I think they lost a peak performance from him in that long gap between QoS and SF. To me he hasn't been able to scale properly into the insouciant Bond. He is much better as a rugged killer.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I quite liked JW in both films actually. He fit the tone they were going for in the respective scenes as both chases had some humour thrown in.

    yup, hes my favorite thing about both those films
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AVTAK

    I decided to take in a viewing of one of my lowest ranked Bond films. It didn't go too badly this time around. It's been a while since I've seen it and perhaps that helped. I still think Moore is just a bit too old to be credible but there's nothing wrong with his performance (in fact, he's more serious here than in many other entries). At the risk of facing a backlash, there's something in his face which just seems a bit odd on account of the lines and wrinkles. It makes him look a bit gaunt, mean and airbrushed. I saw that with Craig yesterday too when viewing SP. Like he's had some work done.

    This is actually the first viewing where I've had a positive reaction to Grace Jones. She's actually quite good. I'm not sure why I didn't appreciate her in the role before. Walken is of course great as nutty Zorin and I wish there was more of him in this film. At the risk of another backlash, I don't mind Roberts either. Stacy's got some spark. I like that. "You betcha".

    I know many like Barry's score for this film and there's nothing wrong with it on its own. Having said that, I find this is one of the few films where his work doesn't always match the accompanying scene all that well to my ears. It's a bit distant and lacking in immediacy and vibrancy during some of the action scenes.

    The firetruck scene is still awful to me (one of the worst) and most of the action is quite poorly choreographed (especially that horrid barn fight). It's surprising given this is a Glen entry. The Eiffel tower sequence is excellent though (and Barry's score is superb here). Monsieur Aubergine has to be one of the most arrogant colleagues of Bond's (not my favourite vegetable either, although I prefer it to Broccoli) and the fat caricature cop is a useless attempt at rekindling JW's charisma.

    Overall it went ok but this film isn't going up in my rankings.
  • NSGWNSGW London
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    Like a few others have also done so recently, I thought I would revisit OHMSS in time for Christmas and, as usual, it didn't fail to disappoint. Its currently #2 in my rankings in terms of personal preference but I think is so many ways its far and above the greatest in the series, it makes everything that followed in the next 20 years look subpar by comparison.

    The one area that I did used to look at as a weakness was George's performance but I thought he was genuinely good if not great this time around. He may not compare to Connery, as no one does, but I think his real life persona carried through into the film and he seems such a natural fit. He hits just the right balance of arrogance, charm, humour and strength of character that makes Bond who he is. Although I do like YOLT (#13 ranked) Lazenby's youth and physicality, along with the Hunt's direction makes this film so fresh and energetic.

    If I could go back and change one thing in the series, it would be to let George have had at least one more outing to get even for Tracy, even if that means sacrificing a Connery Bond. Although I guess just having the one film makes Lazenby and OHMSS all the more special, in that sense no other Bond may ever be able to top what he achieved in his sole outing.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Having watched it last night, I think The Man with The Golden Gun has found a special place in my heart. I used to think The Spy Who Loved Me was where Moore was at his best, but today... I found myself proven wrong.

    I wish Moore played his Bond more in regard to the tough and daring mode as he was in TMWTGG. That dinner scene with Scaramanga is absolutely fantastic!
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