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  • Posts: 12,466
    It has its moments, but it’s bottom-tier Bond for me. Beyond some of Moore’s highlights and Scaramanga, there isn’t a whole lot I get excited about in that one. It was one of my favorites as a kid, but not anymore unfortunately.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It's still down the bottom for me too, @FoxRox. I never hailed it as a favourite, but Moore's Connery-esque attitude really stands out. Makes you wonder how he would've fared like that later on.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    It goes in the middle for me (would be a bit higher if some of the silliness was trimmed). But it is my favorite Moore performance.
    I've the exact same feeling, right now.
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    Interesting. I think my own preference of Moore performances would go:

    1. For Your Eyes Only
    2. The Spy Who Loved Me
    3. Live and Let Die
    4. Octopussy
    5. The Man with the Golden Gun
    6. A View to a Kill
    7. Moonraker
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    In terms of performance, here goes mine:
    1. The Man with The Golden Gun
    2. Live and Let Die
    3. The Spy Who Loved Me
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. Moonraker
    6. Octopussy
    7. A View To A Kill

    In terms of films qualities:
    1. For Your Eyes Only
    2. Moonraker
    3. The Spy Who Loved Me
    4. Live and Let Die
    5. The Man with The Golden Gun
    6. Octopussy
    7. A View To A Kill
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    The MR performance is too autopilot from Moore I think, and his least distinct overall.

    Guess my next Bond movie will be SP on January 1. My backwards Bondathon begins then; after watching OHMSS as a holiday treat, I'm holding off on watching any others until then.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I find his MR performance very satisfying personally, and can't help but chuckle at his witty puns every five seconds, I love him in there.

    It's his last two I find very boring.
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    There are things I really like about his OP and AVTAK performances. Like:

    -"Fill her up, please!", "SIT!", body bag scare, etc.; basically his comedy gold in OP. Has some silly stuff that really worked for me.
    -Interactions with Khan in OP; really good chemistry.
    -Some scene standouts in OP: Casino scene, bidding for the egg, revenge for 009, stopping the bomb.
    -Intense interactions with Zorin in AVTAK.
    -Near-death scenes in AVTAK (underwater with the car, in the mines); he did a really good job in these scenes in particular.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Things that make me laugh: Wint and Kidd, FYEO end scene, AVTAK warehouse fight, Bond bossing Tibbett around and Welcome to Scotland!

    Ah, also the watch check scene in OP, whilst Bond is disguised as a gorilla. So daft, but I canne help but laugh.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That doesn t do it for me, but others are "He had a lot of guts" and "Ma cah ma cah!!!"
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    (would be a bit higher if some of the silliness was trimmed)

    This could be said about several Bond films.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    It goes in the middle for me (would be a bit higher if some of the silliness was trimmed). But it is my favorite Moore performance.
    I've the exact same feeling, right now.
    +1. Moore is on fire in TMWTGG. Easily my favourite performance of his, followed by LALD and then TSWLM (I rank his work in both LALD and TSWLM very close).
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    Moore is always good to great as Bond honestly. I think his performances in LALD, TSWLM, and FYEO are all top-tier Bond performances, the ones in TMWTGG and OP are really good, and the ones in AVTAK and MR aren't as great but still have plenty of enjoyable moments. He was a wonderful Bond.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    You'll find no argument with me. A wonderful Bond. Even better human being.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @mattjoes, I have him at 3 behind Connery and Moore who I see as the big two. I think his SP performance rivals Brosnan's in TWINE for bottom of the barrel however.

    He's good in the role but I think they lost a peak performance from him in that long gap between QoS and SF. To me he hasn't been able to scale properly into the insouciant Bond. He is much better as a rugged killer.

    @bondjames Yeah, a film is missing between QoS and Sf. I suck at ranking things, so I've got Connery, Moore and Dalton basically tied in first place, then Brosnan and then Craig. I think Craig is damn good, but as cool as he is, I overall prefer the more overt, playful charm of Brosnan. And for me, Craig stumbled a bit with Skyfall, coming across as disengaged, while Brosnan was always "on" in his performances. My preference between them could be reversed depending on Bond 25, though. Of course you dislike his performance in Sp, but I personally hope he continues to inject a more humorous, playful vibe into the role of Bond, even if Bond 25 turns out to be a more serious, dramatic entry than Sp.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @mattjoes, I have him at 3 behind Connery and Moore who I see as the big two. I think his SP performance rivals Brosnan's in TWINE for bottom of the barrel however.

    He's good in the role but I think they lost a peak performance from him in that long gap between QoS and SF. To me he hasn't been able to scale properly into the insouciant Bond. He is much better as a rugged killer.

    @bondjames Yeah, a film is missing between QoS and Sf. I suck at ranking things, so I've got Connery, Moore and Dalton basically tied in first place, then Brosnan and then Craig. I think Craig is damn good, but as cool as he is, I overall prefer the more overt, playful charm of Brosnan. And for me, Craig stumbled a bit with Skyfall, coming across as disengaged, while Brosnan was always "on" in his performances. My preference between them could be reversed depending on Bond 25, though. Of course you dislike his performance in Sp, but I personally hope he continues to inject a more humorous, playful vibe into the role of Bond, even if Bond 25 turns out to be a more serious, dramatic entry than Sp.
    @mattjoes, I understand what you're saying about him being disengaged in SF. It's not quite the description I'd use, but he certainly was more mellow. Age has changed him. He doesn't appear to have the natural intensity he had when younger (and yes, I've seen the much touted Logan Lucky). I thought he was average in SF. It's the supporting cast that elevated that film (like how they did GE).

    I at least hope the producers inject B25 with some serious supporting charisma and edge (which was sorely missing in SP imho). That will really help me enjoy the film, which more than anything I'd like to do.

    Brosnan definitely wasn't as bad as some make him out to be. He had some really crappy films though and he overdid it a bit. When he underplayed, he was very good. I think he just lacked confidence, which he finally found in DAD.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AVTAK

    I still think Moore is just a bit too old to be credible but there's nothing wrong with his performance (in fact, he's more serious here than in many other entries). At the risk of facing a backlash, there's something in his face which just seems a bit odd on account of the lines and wrinkles. It makes him look a bit gaunt, mean and airbrushed.
    You're right. It's the facelift.

    bondjames wrote: »
    I know many like Barry's score for this film and there's nothing wrong with it on its own. Having said that, I find this is one of the few films where his work doesn't always match the accompanying scene all that well to my ears. It's a bit distant and lacking in immediacy and vibrancy during some of the action scenes.
    I'd say the thing with Barry is that he would usually aim for the "heart" of a scene through extensive use of long-lined melodies, but that would come at the cost of that which you call inmediacy and vibrancy. His music would capture the pace and spirit of the scene, but wouldn't follow the action too closely. Most of the time this was a perfectly acceptable and welcome tradeoff, since what Barry would come up would be spectacular. On some ocassions, however, it could feel slightly off. Personally, I don't think AVTAK has that problem, but in the sci-fi film The Black Hole, there's a cue (called "Laser" in the album) that plays when a woman is rescued from being lobotomized, and while it works reasonably well, it comes across as slightly stiff, inflexible, and not completely successful in capturing the tone of the scene. It sounds too cheerful and doesn't follow the action closely enough-- doesn't swing from conveying optimism to danger and back to optimism, as it should.

    Ironically, as you may know, Barry once referred to his Bond music as "million-dollar Mickey Mouse music," when his scores, at least compared with the work of other famous composers --say, John Williams--, don't feature much Mickey Mousing at all.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I'd say the thing with Barry is that he would usually aim for the "heart" of a scene through extensive use of long-lined melodies, but that would come at the cost of that which you call inmediacy and vibrancy. His music would capture the pace and spirit of the scene, but wouldn't follow the action too closely.
    I completely agree. In nearly every other situation this is indeed the case. However, in AVTAK there are some moments where his music seems a bit too leisurely for the scene in question and doesn't actually capture the spirit all that well to my ears. This comes as a surprise to me. I'm referring to the firetruck scene in particular but there are other moments, like the PTS even (excluding the Beach Boys).

    That's not a problem during the Paris Eiffel sequence though. That is spot on.
    mattjoes wrote: »
    ... but in the sci-fi film The Black Hole, there's a cue (called "Laser" in the album) that plays when a woman is rescued from being lobotomized, and while it works reasonably well, it comes across as slightly stiff, inflexible, and not completely successful in capturing the tone of the scene. It sounds too cheerful and doesn't follow the action closely enough-- doesn't swing from conveying optimism to danger and back to optimism, as it should.
    I haven't seen this film but will seek it out. I'm always down for a Barry score.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The Black Hole is one of Barry's finest non Bond scores. Very atmospheric and intense. I've yet to see the film but as a Barry fanatic it's a must have score.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Roger films by his performance:

    1. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    2. LIVE AND LET DIE
    3. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    4. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    5. OCTOPUSSY
    6. MOONRAKER
    7. A VIEW TO A KILL


    In terms of film preferences:

    1. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    2. LIVE AND LET DIE
    3. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    4. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    5. OCTOPUSSY
    6. A VIEW TO A KILL
    7. MOONRAKER


    My no. 1 film is FYEO, but otherwise I would agree would your list.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    My take (it was difficult to rank the films because I like most of them so much).

    Film performance:
    TMWTGG
    LALD
    TSWLM
    OP
    MR
    FYEO (not all that much of a fan of the serious weary Rog although objectively it's a good performance from him)
    AVTAK

    In terms of film preference:
    TSWLM
    LALD
    OP
    FYEO*
    TMWTGG*
    MR*
    AVTAK

    *really touch choice between these three. Love them all for different reasons.

    PS: I forgot to mention during my earlier commentary on AVTAK: Moore was a much better actor than he gave himself credit for. It's clear in the office briefing scene in this film. He was very good with subtle expressions to convey mood and demeanour. He never had to overdo it, which I appreciate.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    A simple glance from Connery or Moore could speak volumes, as you say.
  • edited December 2017 Posts: 12,466
    bondjames wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @mattjoes, I have him at 3 behind Connery and Moore who I see as the big two. I think his SP performance rivals Brosnan's in TWINE for bottom of the barrel however.

    He's good in the role but I think they lost a peak performance from him in that long gap between QoS and SF. To me he hasn't been able to scale properly into the insouciant Bond. He is much better as a rugged killer.

    @bondjames Yeah, a film is missing between QoS and Sf. I suck at ranking things, so I've got Connery, Moore and Dalton basically tied in first place, then Brosnan and then Craig. I think Craig is damn good, but as cool as he is, I overall prefer the more overt, playful charm of Brosnan. And for me, Craig stumbled a bit with Skyfall, coming across as disengaged, while Brosnan was always "on" in his performances. My preference between them could be reversed depending on Bond 25, though. Of course you dislike his performance in Sp, but I personally hope he continues to inject a more humorous, playful vibe into the role of Bond, even if Bond 25 turns out to be a more serious, dramatic entry than Sp.
    @mattjoes, I understand what you're saying about him being disengaged in SF. It's not quite the description I'd use, but he certainly was more mellow. Age has changed him. He doesn't appear to have the natural intensity he had when younger (and yes, I've seen the much touted Logan Lucky). I thought he was average in SF. It's the supporting cast that elevated that film (like how they did GE).

    I at least hope the producers inject B25 with some serious supporting charisma and edge (which was sorely missing in SP imho). That will really help me enjoy the film, which more than anything I'd like to do.

    Brosnan definitely wasn't as bad as some make him out to be. He had some really crappy films though and he overdid it a bit. When he underplayed, he was very good. I think he just lacked confidence, which he finally found in DAD.

    Interesting take. I feel like Brosnan had loads of confidence in TND; that Bond performance is one of the breeziest and coolest in the whole series IMO, and really helps carry the movie.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @mattjoes, I have him at 3 behind Connery and Moore who I see as the big two. I think his SP performance rivals Brosnan's in TWINE for bottom of the barrel however.

    He's good in the role but I think they lost a peak performance from him in that long gap between QoS and SF. To me he hasn't been able to scale properly into the insouciant Bond. He is much better as a rugged killer.

    @bondjames Yeah, a film is missing between QoS and Sf. I suck at ranking things, so I've got Connery, Moore and Dalton basically tied in first place, then Brosnan and then Craig. I think Craig is damn good, but as cool as he is, I overall prefer the more overt, playful charm of Brosnan. And for me, Craig stumbled a bit with Skyfall, coming across as disengaged, while Brosnan was always "on" in his performances. My preference between them could be reversed depending on Bond 25, though. Of course you dislike his performance in Sp, but I personally hope he continues to inject a more humorous, playful vibe into the role of Bond, even if Bond 25 turns out to be a more serious, dramatic entry than Sp.
    @mattjoes, I understand what you're saying about him being disengaged in SF. It's not quite the description I'd use, but he certainly was more mellow. Age has changed him. He doesn't appear to have the natural intensity he had when younger (and yes, I've seen the much touted Logan Lucky). I thought he was average in SF. It's the supporting cast that elevated that film (like how they did GE).

    I at least hope the producers inject B25 with some serious supporting charisma and edge (which was sorely missing in SP imho). That will really help me enjoy the film, which more than anything I'd like to do.

    Brosnan definitely wasn't as bad as some make him out to be. He had some really crappy films though and he overdid it a bit. When he underplayed, he was very good. I think he just lacked confidence, which he finally found in DAD.

    Interesting take. I feel like Brosnan had loads of confidence in TND; that Bond performance is one of the breeziest and most cool in the whole series IMO, and really helps carry the movie.
    I know some rate his performance in TND highly. I liked him in the earlier half, but I thought he was a bit smarmy and affected in places (e.g. in the back of the Bimmer). Check out the Q/R scenes in both films for what I'm talking about. He's giddy in TND at the AVIS rental but icy cool and cynical in the tube station in DAD. I thought he was excellent in the Kaufmann scene but have never liked the hotel scene with Paris (I thought he was about to cry).
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    He’s good in DAD - the best part of the film no doubt. On the whole though I prefer his performamces in GE and TND. There’s a little bit of emotional moments, but for the most part he is very cool and relaxed in them. Save for a few glitches here and there, he practically nailed it off the bat in GE. TWINE was his weakest performance I think...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm with you on TWINE. Just thinking about it is difficult.
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    Brosnan was a good Bond, but he struggled the most with the more emotional scenes. I think the best he did with that was finding out Alec had survived and his plot in GE. He conveys subtle, believable emotion (not too much) that Bond would in that situation.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Brosnan was a good Bond, but he struggled the most with the more emotional scenes. I think the best he did with that was finding out Alec had survived and his plot in GE. He conveys subtle, believable emotion (not too much) that Bond would in that situation.
    Agreed. He was excellent in that scene. Back to my earlier point about underplaying. When he underplayed he was very good.
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    Very true. I love that whole scene. The relationship between Bond and Alec was excellent.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The biggest hurdle I've had to overcome RE: Brosnan's performances in the past is definitely the over acting or over expression. Subtlety always wins the day for me, as I think Bond is more of an introspective character, doesn't let much show and tries to keep a lot in. Part of why I love Sean for instance is because he had the ability to convey a lot with one look, and Dan's style of performance really hits on that "inner life" of Bond because he always seems like he's trying like hell to keep composed and in check.

    Brosnan had good moments for sure but I sometimes had issues with his execution in certain moments, usually high drama or emotional ones as some have brought up. He'd either overplay the scene to an overt degree, or over express with his mouth in a way that was more theatre than film performance wise. And I think that's really the thing about Brosnan that has held me back a bit: he brought a sort of overt, showy and lively style of acting that you'd more commonly see on stage to the big screen, and sometimes that doesn't translate well. I know some have made the same comment about Dalton, where his theatre side overwhelmed the screen and made him look overdramatic in his execution of the performance.
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