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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Nirvana is the most overrated, overhyped rock band in music history. Period. And Nevermind is the most overrated, overhyped rock album ever produced.

    There. Said it.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Rebecca Vitsmun is a national heroine and on the anniversary of the 2013 Moore tornado I want to salute her courage for this interview:

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    TripAces wrote: »
    Nirvana is the most overrated, overhyped rock band in music history. Period. And Nevermind is the most overrated, overhyped rock album ever produced.

    There. Said it.
    I'm inclined to agree with you although I like some of their music. Claim to fame was knocking Michael Jackson's Dangerous off the top slot after 4 wks at #1 on Billboard at the end of 1991.
  • jobojobo
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    Most rock music in general is overrated is my opinion. Most of it requires very little creativity, and most rock bands sound the same. Some few stand out from the crowd, but its one in a million, and I always wonder why all the average, mediocre rock bands get so much attention.

    Now, there I said it...
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    TripAces wrote: »
    Nirvana is the most overrated, overhyped rock band in music history. Period. And Nevermind is the most overrated, overhyped rock album ever produced.

    There. Said it.
    Cobain's suicide ensured them legendary status. I do enjoy some of their music but I must disagree with the notion that he was the voice of a generation.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    jobo wrote: »
    Most rock music in general is overrated is my opinion. Most of it requires very little creativity, and most rock bands sound the same. Some few stand out from the crowd, but its one in a million, and I always wonder why all the average, mediocre rock bands get so much attention.

    Now, there I said it...

    I kind of agree with this, but isn't it the case of all music? During Mozart's time, many composers were overrated, Mozart on the other hand was underrated. I love rock, but too many rock bands are overrated. Then again rock is now such a broad term. Is pop music rock?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It was the record company that promoted Nirvana to its success. They could do that in those days. I was a fan of the grunge scene before it became popular, so I was very happy to hear more of that on the various wavelengths instead of that retarded 80s heavy metal scene.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Nirvana was a good band. Don't get me wrong. But they were erroneously catapulted to "Rock God" status. @Thunderfinger, I don't know if it was the record company or the media. It sure seems that Rolling Stone has played a huge role in putting them on that platform and keeping them there. I always believed that Pearl Jam was every bit the band Nirvana was and maybe even better. Eddie Vedder was certainly a stronger front man. But they didn't do a music video with punk rock cheerleaders...
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Ham is vile and disgusting.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Nirvana was a good band. Don't get me wrong. But they were erroneously catapulted to "Rock God" status. @Thunderfinger, I don't know if it was the record company or the media. It sure seems that Rolling Stone has played a huge role in putting them on that platform and keeping them there. I always believed that Pearl Jam was every bit the band Nirvana was and maybe even better. Eddie Vedder was certainly a stronger front man. But they didn't do a music video with punk rock cheerleaders...

    Always preferred The Pixies Far more talented and innovative than Nirvana ever were.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    The Worzels now there's a band ! :D
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Nirvana was a good band. Don't get me wrong. But they were erroneously catapulted to "Rock God" status. @Thunderfinger, I don't know if it was the record company or the media. It sure seems that Rolling Stone has played a huge role in putting them on that platform and keeping them there. I always believed that Pearl Jam was every bit the band Nirvana was and maybe even better. Eddie Vedder was certainly a stronger front man. But they didn't do a music video with punk rock cheerleaders...

    Always preferred The Pixies Far more talented and innovative than Nirvana ever were.

    The Pixies were ahead of their time, as was Sonic Youth.

    To me, the band that was most influential during that era were these guys:

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Predictive spelling is a total pain in the ask ! :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Predictive spelling is a total pain in the ask ! :)

    That s cotrovisual!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I had some fun with a sleepwalker. Let s all do that.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    jobo wrote: »
    Most rock music in general is overrated is my opinion. Most of it requires very little creativity, and most rock bands sound the same. Some few stand out from the crowd, but its one in a million, and I always wonder why all the average, mediocre rock bands get so much attention.

    Now, there I said it...
    I somewhat agree with this mind you I am a huge yes fan (a band that will be forever underated but who dare I say it are more creative then any band before or since) for me the issue with modern prog is that they have forgotten the rock roots Prog came from so now every song is 25 minutes long just to well make sure it's "prog" enough of course the exception once again is Yes with their 2014 album Heaven & Earth.. But on the topic of music

    The following people are overrated (not bad nessecarily but overrated)

    1. Eddie Van Halen: sorry the last few Van Halen albums (even the new one with Roth) were kind of bad. Eddie just is great at soloing and absolutely crap and writing music

    2. Eric Clapton: put down your pitchforks and hear me out. He is a good musican. Is he great no. Does he surround himself with better musicans and song writers yes absolutely. For Cream it was Jack Bruce for Derek and the Dominos it was Duane Alman (Clapton himself even admits this) even his solo stuff he worked with the likes of Phil Collins Babyface and BB King. Not saying he himself is bad I am saying he is an ok guitarist who got extremly lucky with who he surrounded himself with.

    3. Rick Wakeman: since I am yes fan this is particularly hard to admit but yeah he hasn't done anything terribly creative of innovative since 1974's tales (going for the one was largely written before he joined and tomato meh the less said about that the better and while Keys 1 and 2 are nice there is hardly anything dynamic in terms of keyboards) I will forever rank him third in terms of yes keyboardist (Tony Kaye is number 1 and Geoff Downes is number 2) and if we look at all of prog Rock I would put him at number 5 if I Am lying 10 if I am being truely honest.

    Also on the topic of music

    Pop music stopped being inventive when Phil Collins left Genesis.. Seriously and before all the Adele Katy Perry or whomever supporters Come at me all their songs are in 4/4 time turn it on again a classic pop tune from 1980 is in 13/8 when you give me an Adele song in 13/8 we can talk about innovative pop lol

    Where as I feel these musicans are underated

    1. Tony Kaye: before you say who exactly my point. The guy devlope the yes sound on the first three albums (only one of which the yes album is known by casual fans and most casual fans think Rick Wakeman played on that album) he also did beautiful work in Badger and with David Bowie and Badfinger before rejoining yes in the 80's and once again really helping to shape the sound of such albums like 90125 and Big Generator

    2. Jon Davison: a modern prog musican who sounds like Anderson has a great voice is a great writer and just an awesome guy. He biggest slap in the face was when he was hanging out back stage with Taylor Hawkins and a music press person didn't even care to look at Davison and kept asking Hawkins when the next foo fighters albums is coming.. Ouch I mean what does a guy have to do to be appreciated

    3. Chris Squire: a name barely mentioned Untill he sadly died in 2015 but was the greatest bassist in music. A lot of people think Tony Levin was better but as he once said

    " when Peter Gabrial asked me to play watcher in the skies (one of the hardest Genesis tunes) I was like yeah sure when Robert Tripp said lets do 21st century schzoid man I was like no problem but when Jon Anderson said lets do close to the edge I listened to it and was like how the f$ck am I going to play that"

    Also I never got into the following bands

    King Crimson, Nirvana, Bob Dylan (though 2-3 songs are good I never got the appeal of why everyone thinks he is so amazing) and pretty much every popular band out there even Muse is ok not amazing
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited June 2016 Posts: 1,756
    I think Queen is the most overrated band of all time, and their music, especially Bohemian Rapsody, is extremely pretentious. I just don't understand why people think their songs are that good...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Queen had a couple of good tracks. The rest is awful to listen to.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I don't like Queen at all. I never saw the big deal. Agreed.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I love Queen, so you all can go to your room and sit in time-out, as there'll be no dinner or dessert for you this evening.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I'm another who Loves Queen ! Great Band. =D>
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Familiarity breeds contempt, I'm afraid, when it comes to Queen.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I hate the word "passionate" in modern society - particularly in the world of recruitment.

    It's a shallow buzz-word that lacks any real substance or meaning. Everyone has to be "passionate" about everything.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I hate the word "passionate" in modern society - particularly in the world of recruitment.

    It's a shallow buzz-word that lacks any real substance or meaning. Everyone has to be "passionate" about everything.

    In some job descriptions, "passionate" is downright insulting.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    The Beatles are terrible
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Doing a Halo jump is better than sex.
    As long as we're not talking about the video game.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,968
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    The Beatles are terrible

    I wouldn't say they're terrible, but their music doesn't do anything for me. Never been a fan.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Not terrible, but overhyped.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You people are ridiculous.

    That s not controversial in the slightest.
  • jobojobo
    Posts: 7,507
    The Beatles are dedinitely not terrible!
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