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Precisely! For me, this is why that dry, “casually sadistic” tone makes DN/FRWL and CR/QOS two of the best double bills in the series. That’s right where I want my Bond.
Yeah mate, it's Daniel's perfect delivery that makes it one of my favourite lines in the series. In different hands it wouldn't have been as good
Interesting you mention that because when I wrote my review of QOS for the site, I mentioned how it felt like the world that they built and all the intrigue felt extremely close to that tone and intrigue of From Russia With Love, which is no small feat. I think that’s another reason why I always appreciate QOS more after each viewing.
One would think so, but there are a significant commenters who complain that they want the same thing over and over, according to the "classic formula", even two years. They might not call it that, and would say "It is not a Bond movie" or some such. Of course, some of them might then complain "It's just the same thing !" when that is what gets delivered. Therefore, some of them may be bound to say, later on, "glad it is not DC any more !" Among them might be folks who don't like when a musical performer who has performed the same songs hundreds of times changes the arrangement or lyrics. In summary - you'll not please all the people all the time, so just proceed to strive for quality. I trust the current producers more in that regard than the initial ones, who would endeavor to crank out another one within a timeframe, no matter what, which lead to some awful slips in quality here and there, even in otherwise enjoyable films.
That's exactly how to help a new incoming Bond cement himself as the new 007 so that audiences want to see that next movie with him to find out what happens next.....not just some standalone adventure with the same formula and different women/setting/scar.
FRWL and QoS leave you wanting to see more from the characters.....the music really helped add to the haunting factor of the surrounding environments for each film. The same can be said for OHMSS and LTK which were each the last if not only Bond films by their respective actors. You have all these folks online asking what-if the actors did one more movie. And that's where the series has often fallen into avoidable positions where they risk smaller audiences, ratings, and awards....persistency, consistency, and perseverance pays off better than formula following.
I guess the film better suits a little oloder audience, you can't expect teenagers to keep up, but teenagers had been the target audience for decades.
Going off-topic for a moment here, but listening to the FRWL score, I was thinking of how much it reminds me of Barry's music for Zulu, especially in the use of timpani. Just like TMWTGG reminds me of The Tamarind Seed.
Dark chocolate! I agree it does sound like that. Have you listened to Still Holding On by Conjure One? It would have fit QoS in terms of story.
Yeah, the lyrics do fit. In my opinion, the song would need a different arrangement for a Bond film though. Could be done.
Interesting point!
Well....
Here's where it gets very obvious that either Daniel Craig was directly involved or this song was made tailored to Bond....there's a moment in the last verse of the song where the music pauses or a while before it picks back up with Aruna singing "Still Holding On to love" ....that's a very similar common style among Daniel Craig's Bond. He's puase at moments in almost each of his films to let the emotion sink in with few words possible.
For instance, in QoS there is a scene where Bond stops for a moment as Camille wants him to end her life before the fire does.
Then there's the pretitle sequence in NTTD where Bond feels Madeleine has betrayed him and he stops for a moment in the car, having lost his faith in humanity.
Do you see Bond with the facial expression pausing for a moment amidst that song? David Arnold would have used this theme with hint notes throughout the movie and he could have created a new 007 theme with it if he wanted to....similar to Dead Don't Care About Vengeance.
Keep in mind, Daniel Craig was involved with the scripts and other aspect of production since day one of playing the role. In the first few years he was even involved behind the scenes of the 007 video games before that stopped by the time the last one came out.
The pause says it all. Without further development Still Holding On didn't become Bond but it's retained some of it.
Of course he's struggeling with it, it's what makes Craigs Bond so compelling. So much more so than any other. He's learned his lesson, is ahead of his environment every step of the way, but is still human. And it's in all the details. Including taking Vesper's and Yusef's picture and folding it in the middle..
And the emotion he expresses when confronting Yusef and the comfort of having prevented another Vesper with Corrine. Anybody notice how each actor in that room alone has had significant upward trajectories in their respective careers after that movie over the years?
The dude has been in marvel shows and now mandalorian. He's making money.
Lol. He wasn't responding to the question of whether he'd appear in a future Bond movie at the premiere of QoS.
He'd have played a much better Cyclops in NTTD....
I love that scene, yes it is sort of Roger Mooresque but it works fine in QOS.
It's all about how it's executed....QoS did everything under an umbrella within the air of melancholy. What was funny didn't always make Bond himself laugh and that’s fine. It wasn't like NTTD or a movie from the 90s where Bond always had to be in on the jokes.
Of the 3 top mentioned actors: which do you think will best portray a QoS style of Bond?
A QoS style of Bond represents DC in his best and like the movie, the style ages better with time in addition to being able to be best at the time....
Please share your opinions in each and why:
Idris Elba- he was present at some after party with Daniel Craig much like RM was at the premiere of SC's last official Bond movie DAF. DC has supported his candidacy and the actor can certainly speak with his facial expressions and his stern silence. Elba can sure act and meshes better with the later DC version of Bond from SF to NTTD perhaps.
Tom Hardy- this guy has the serious grit which you'd find in the CR to QoS years. Like DC, he has a long list of independent films in addition to his mainstream films where he pulled off sacrificing stunts from his physical transformations playing characters like Ronson and Baine. His grittiness speaks for itself watching Mad Max Fury Road.....he can sure do a chase scene. He looks different in almost every role and much like SC and DC, it's hard to tell if he is a good or bad guy often with his acting. Physically, his face and body have looked drastically different in many films.
Henry Cavill- He was the front runner before DC. He's got class. He's not funny when he tries to be but he definitely has the 007 description kind of look similar to TD in TLD. Not sure how his style of Bond would become I am concerned that he will end up becoming another one of those people's choice Bond like PB who was also a bit screwed out of the role a decade before getting it but ending up not trying as hard and just standing in or coasting through his films with looks instead of taking an active presence behind the scenes for quality assurance like DC did.
Which of these actors is least likely to be comedic in an offsetting way?
With someone having to fill some big shoes off DC....I would refuse to watch the next Bond movie if they decide to go light hearted. It seems more important for the producers to focus on quality over quantity since each film costs a lot and runs a risk that studios can no longer afford to gamble on like they could back in the day when Cubby was just churning out and ignoring most of the literary material quality. He was recycling the GF formula over and over again.
Even if Tom Hardy is a bit older at least he doesn't require as much time to adjust to such a role since he's proved he can steal a performance and command attention.
If Idris gets the role, the productions can be filmed back to back in their own arc to save cost and time as well.
Age shouldn't be a concern until the producers really spend more years vetting a lesser known actor who they can attach with for a genuinely beneficial relationship for studios and audiences as well.
GL and PB had the worst fallout at the end.
And that's per IMdB, which might be generous
Are we done ?