It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • More filmmakers should take note: Marc Forster really brought people into the psyche of Bond and Camille. He brings you into the sense of dread they feel in the burning hotel.

    MI Rogue Nation took note from the Tosca Opera scene and paid homage well.

    But the storytelling aspect in those final scenes of QoS speak volumes. Makes you care about the characters.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I've said it before but I remember the fear and hopelessness in that finale feeling so palpable that, during my first viewing in cinemas opening night, I genuinely thought Bond and Camille were going to do right then and there. It was breathtaking stuff.
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 1,282
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've said it before but I remember the fear and hopelessness in that finale feeling so palpable that, during my first viewing in cinemas opening night, I genuinely thought Bond and Camille were going to do right then and there. It was breathtaking stuff.

    That's the kind of THRILL people want....not bogus gadgets and OTT villains. Chase sequences have been relied upon too much in each Bond movie. I understand there was a time when producers wanted audiences to forget SC is not Bond anymore and to make up for it. But good storytelling and character-driven pieces are what set up a Casino Royale rather than a Die Another Day.

    Without QoS, the relationship between Bond and M wouldn't have been established well enough for SF.

    QoS introduced to us the style of Tom Ford in the series. How would you feel if Tom Ford were to direct a Bond movie in his own style with Dennis Gasner as set designer?

    It might have a timeless look that ages very well like OHMSS.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've said it before but I remember the fear and hopelessness in that finale feeling so palpable that, during my first viewing in cinemas opening night, I genuinely thought Bond and Camille were going to do right then and there. It was breathtaking stuff.

    That's the kind of THRILL people want....not bogus gadgets and OTT villains.

    Speak for everyone, please.
  • edited May 2023 Posts: 1,282
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've said it before but I remember the fear and hopelessness in that finale feeling so palpable that, during my first viewing in cinemas opening night, I genuinely thought Bond and Camille were going to do right then and there. It was breathtaking stuff.

    That's the kind of THRILL people want....not bogus gadgets and OTT villains.

    Speak for everyone, please.

    Ok, I won't but the money and crestivity speak for themselves. Most of the movies that nearly bankrupted or ruined the series (MR, DAD) have those qualities.

    This new Mission Impossible movie is going to have the works of over 32 crew members who have worked in QoS!

    MI series is QoS legacy
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    This new Mission Impossible movie is going to have the works of over 32 crew members who have worked in QoS!

    MI series is QoS legacy

    This has me even more excited then.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    That would have been my wish too. I'm not sure I've seen enough of "young" Craig Bond.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yes, absolutely. We're missing the films that would've shown CraigBond at the height of his powers. After some of those, then we should've had SF.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.

    Absolutely right. That would have been a dream come true! Damn Shame we never got a third Craig Bond in the vein of CR and QOS.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.

    Absolutely right. That would have been a dream come true! Damn Shame we never got a third Craig Bond in the vein of CR and QOS.

    It was the producers' plan to release films in May 2008 and Fall 2010.

    There is the plan, and then reality takes over.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.

    Absolutely right. That would have been a dream come true! Damn Shame we never got a third Craig Bond in the vein of CR and QOS.

    It'll always be one of the big upsets in the series for me, an enticing "what if?" that I wish had materialized.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Didn't MGM's financial problems put an end to the 2010 film? Shame, because at one point it was touted as being Property of a Lady, with Rachel Weisz as the head of Quantum!
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_report_apr10?id=2526
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    It's a shame we didn't get one film I'm either 2010. It would have been nice to see one mission from Craig's Bond that wasn't personal, were his Bond was in the peak of his powers.

    To play devil's advocate, had a Bond film been released in 2010, perhaps the hype wouldn't have been so huge for Bond's return in 2012, then we'd have never had a Billion dollar Bond film.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.

    Absolutely right. That would have been a dream come true! Damn Shame we never got a third Craig Bond in the vein of CR and QOS.

    It'll always be one of the big upsets in the series for me, an enticing "what if?" that I wish had materialized.

    Maybe use this idea as the basis for a series of graphic novels set between QOS and SF?
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.

    Absolutely right. That would have been a dream come true! Damn Shame we never got a third Craig Bond in the vein of CR and QOS.

    It'll always be one of the big upsets in the series for me, an enticing "what if?" that I wish had materialized.

    Maybe use this idea as the basis for a series of graphic novels set between QOS and SF?


    Or perhaps use this as a video game featuring Daniel Craig and Judi Dench by voice and likes to return.....
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    I wish Dan had made another three films like QOS before SF!

    Even getting a 2010 installment that continues to focus on Quantum with the same crew returning would've been a dream to me.

    Absolutely right. That would have been a dream come true! Damn Shame we never got a third Craig Bond in the vein of CR and QOS.

    It'll always be one of the big upsets in the series for me, an enticing "what if?" that I wish had materialized.

    Maybe use this idea as the basis for a series of graphic novels set between QOS and SF?


    Or perhaps use this as a video game featuring Daniel Craig and Judi Dench by voice and likes to return.....
    I'd rather have graphic novels actually. Have Bond chase down the members of Quantum, capturing or killing Guy Haines and the others, have him foil a few more of their plans and foreshadow Spectre and Blofeld in the meantime.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Have Bond chase down the members of Quantum, capturing or killing Guy Haines and the others, have him foil a few more of their plans and foreshadow Spectre and Blofeld in the meantime.

    Yes. Whoever actualises this can just take my money!

  • Venutius wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Have Bond chase down the members of Quantum, capturing or killing Guy Haines and the others, have him foil a few more of their plans and foreshadow Spectre and Blofeld in the meantime.

    Yes. Whoever actualises this can just take my money!

    This can't be done on a comic level. Not enough people will read it.

    The best way EON can really capitalize this is to bring back any of the former Bond actors with digital touch up to de-age them and set the case to go see QoS or SF again as a re-release or Blu Ray special feature bonus and abridge these films retroactively.

    There is potential here. EON is missing out and the fans are being left dry.

    No need to wait all these years with nothing between the films. Video games are expensive and can be costly due to there being a limited market of consumers compared with movie goers.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    EON have got a thing about not going back to tinker with previously-released films, haven't they? It's also partly why they've ruled out any actual remakes. But yes, I suppose it'd be possible to make a film where Bond's played by a body-double for Dan and then have AI fake his voice and face for the finished result. Probably not in the foreseeable, but they were doing it on a small scale by digitally superimposing Dan's face in some scenes in SF, after all. Not sure it's a wholly welcome idea, tbh, but who knows what Bond fans in 2050 will be able to see? Strange thought.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Venutius wrote: »
    but who knows what Bond fans in 2050 will be able to see? Strange thought.

    I do. Connery and Rigg in OHMSS.

  • Posts: 15,218
    Venutius wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Have Bond chase down the members of Quantum, capturing or killing Guy Haines and the others, have him foil a few more of their plans and foreshadow Spectre and Blofeld in the meantime.

    Yes. Whoever actualises this can just take my money!

    This can't be done on a comic level. Not enough people will read it.

    The best way EON can really capitalize this is to bring back any of the former Bond actors with digital touch up to de-age them and set the case to go see QoS or SF again as a re-release or Blu Ray special feature bonus and abridge these films retroactively.

    There is potential here. EON is missing out and the fans are being left dry.

    No need to wait all these years with nothing between the films. Video games are expensive and can be costly due to there being a limited market of consumers compared with movie goers.

    Well I'm no specialist, but I think Bond is a pretty good brand that should and does attract a readership. And writing a series of graphic novels surely must be cheaper than making a video game and thus easier than making its money back. And dwelling on unexplored elements of an existing timeline should be more appealing (IMO) than spinoffs about Felix Leiter or Moneypenny.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    As much as I love all these ideas, I think a large part of what we crave in more content in the CR/QOS style is Daniel Craig’s actual portrayal of Bond. He played it perfectly. Brutal, vulnerable, reckless, economy of words, dry wit humor, etc. EON had such a great thing going, but got spooked by a few bad reviews due to writer’s strike, editing.

    Would gladly see some graphic novels to fill in the gaps between QOS and SF, but I do think an extended re-edit of QOS is still my Holy Grail. Sure they don’t like to tinker, but QOS is a unique case in that they’re always apologizing for it.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    I think a large part of what we crave in more content in the CR/QOS style is Daniel Craig’s actual portrayal of Bond. He played it perfectly. Brutal, vulnerable, reckless, economy of words, dry wit humor, etc. EON had such a great thing going, but got spooked by a few bad reviews due to writer’s strike, editing.

    Agreed, 100%. My biggest regret of the whole series is that EON stepped back from what they'd created with the CR/QOS Bond and went back to treading a lighter, more familiar path. They had something really special and I definitely needed to see more of that 2006-2008 Bond. I miss it all over again whenever I think about it!
  • Venutius wrote: »
    I think a large part of what we crave in more content in the CR/QOS style is Daniel Craig’s actual portrayal of Bond. He played it perfectly. Brutal, vulnerable, reckless, economy of words, dry wit humor, etc. EON had such a great thing going, but got spooked by a few bad reviews due to writer’s strike, editing.

    Agreed, 100%. My biggest regret of the whole series is that EON stepped back from what they'd created with the CR/QOS Bond and went back to treading a lighter, more familiar path. They had something really special and I definitely needed to see more of that 2006-2008 Bond. I miss it all over again whenever I think about it!

    How the hell can we communicate this stuff to MGW and BB?

    Any upcoming Q&As around the world happening?

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Venutius wrote: »
    I think a large part of what we crave in more content in the CR/QOS style is Daniel Craig’s actual portrayal of Bond. He played it perfectly. Brutal, vulnerable, reckless, economy of words, dry wit humor, etc. EON had such a great thing going, but got spooked by a few bad reviews due to writer’s strike, editing.

    Agreed, 100%. My biggest regret of the whole series is that EON stepped back from what they'd created with the CR/QOS Bond and went back to treading a lighter, more familiar path. They had something really special and I definitely needed to see more of that 2006-2008 Bond. I miss it all over again whenever I think about it!

    I blame Mendes.
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    As much as I love all these ideas, I think a large part of what we crave in more content in the CR/QOS style is Daniel Craig’s actual portrayal of Bond. He played it perfectly. Brutal, vulnerable, reckless, economy of words, dry wit humor, etc. EON had such a great thing going, but got spooked by a few bad reviews due to writer’s strike, editing.

    In fairness to EON I doubt the direction they took from SF onwards was a reaction against QOS. I suspect their plan was always to slowly reintroduce the more ‘classic’ Bond elements into Craig’s films. Even in CR/QOS this was happening. I’m not sure what a third film in a similar vein would have added nor do I think the direction of Craig’s films would have fundamentally changed if it had been successful. We of course have the video game Blood Stone which in theory gives us an idea of how such a ‘third’ Craig film could have looked. While I’m not a gamer I don’t get the sense the story worked all that well nor was it overly successful critically. I think the timing and content of SF was for the best, and I’d argue saved Craig’s tenure.

    As for a re-edited version of QOS, I’d be up for it. It’s a film with some funny ideas behind it (Forster’s ‘fast as a bullet’ concept which seems to have influenced the all too quick and rather badly paced editing style) that I don’t think does the story or the best parts of this film any justice. That said I doubt EON will do this, and perhaps it’s best that these creative failures remain and are not glossed over.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    See, I'd say that QOS was an absolute creative triumph - especially, but not only, given the circumstances in which it was produced.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    See, I'd say that QOS was an absolute creative triumph - especially, but not only, given the circumstances in which it was produced.

    Yes, I think they did well under the circumstances. But I’d also say that like any other film it really doesn’t matter what happened behind the scenes. The work will always be judged in itself.

    As it is, I think you have to take the good with the bad when it comes to QOS. There are things about it that I can’t ever enjoy (again, mostly due to the editing, which I don’t think can even be blamed on the tight schedule but the concept Forster/the producers ran with). At the same time it also has a lot going for it.
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