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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Thunderfinger wrote:
    Funny how this thread has turned into a FF thread. Maybe Reed is her brother and Johnny her husband this time?

    Better than having members at one another's throats over racism.

    A situation where Sue and Johnny are lovers instead of brother and sister is even worse than the race swapping situation. With the former you're going so far away from who the characters are that you might as well scratch the title and just make a generic superhero film since it certainly wouldn't be anything resembling a FF film.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    To be fair, Michael B Jordan's casting as Johnny was the first, long before the others and his casting stems from the fact that he's very good friends with the director as, they worked together previously. Now, as much as I'm largely a purist when it comes to my comic book characters, Jordan has the acting skills to make him a great choice, in fact if he were WHITE! fanboys would be rejoicing. However, it really is annoying that this is the route they've taken which is first and foremost a massive and unnecessary distraction but that being said, I'm a bit more worried about the casting of Jamie Bell as Ben Grim and the kid cast as Reed who's like 10 years younger than Mara.

    Ultimately, I would have preferred the cast to be racially realised the way Stan the man had created them but I'm not that bothered or put off by the sibling dynamic between Jordan and Mara. After seeing the black brother and white sister relationship from the tv show, 90210 it could work very well. There are too many other things to worry about given Fox' track record with the series. Do NOT mess up Doom and Don't make Galactus a freakin' space cloud.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,837
    Mi6community: you can talk about how wet Barbara Broccoli gets over Daniel Craig, you can get away with posting porn (it's happened), you can talk about how stupid religion is and you can spout BS about how the "leftist gay mafia" is out to get you but don't swear, a couple of f bombs will get you a warning, because that's just too offensive.

    What really gets me though is that they swear in the Bond films. So since we're all Bond fans surely none of us are offended by it? And who is actually offended by the f word anyway?
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    I for one don't appreciate the use of the F word here or anywhere else for that matter it has it's place but it's not the sort of language that needs to be brought to this place
    And as for that remark about !! Barbara Broccoli No Gentleman would be so Rude.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    And who is actually offended by the f word anyway?

    Those religious people and that "leftist gay mafia" you speak of. ("Leftist gay mafia"?)

    Let's be honest, however, it is a word. A word that has been in the dictionary for some time. "The" has also been in the dictionary a long time, but we have no problem with it. I'm not saying everyone uses the F-bomb, and I'm not saying that its use in anyway makes you less civilized than the next person. That next person wouldn't hesitate to eat your corpse if it was the only source of food and you were trapped on Everest for twelve days, but obviously they're more civilized because they don't use that word.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    Agent007391 wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    And who is actually offended by the f word anyway?

    Those religious people and that "leftist gay mafia" you speak of. ("Leftist gay mafia"?)

    Yep, really stupid but one member was actually ranting about that. And he didn't get in any trouble. Type it into the sites search bar, it should show up.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    4EverBonded wrote:
    Just by the way, in general, the words "white" and "black" are still acceptable for discussions and conversations, without implied racism. They have been acceptable terms for many years.

    Good, because the terms "Caucasian" and "African American" are both inaccurate and ridiculous.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Mrs. chrisisall says that (especially in superhero & sci-fi movies) we should be 100% colourblind. People are people; just pick the best actor & give an equal chance to all.

    In the future when all people on this planet are a sort of light/medium brown, IMO this won't be an issue. \:D/

    Would you have a Black actor play Red Skull?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The only time I've gotten away with it is when I quote M's line in SF.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Ludovico wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Mrs. chrisisall says that (especially in superhero & sci-fi movies) we should be 100% colourblind. People are people; just pick the best actor & give an equal chance to all.

    In the future when all people on this planet are a sort of light/medium brown, IMO this won't be an issue. \:D/

    Would you have a Black actor play Red Skull?

    Well, the odds that we'd see his hands are slim, his face would be blood red, so that wouldn't matter much.

    Now, the character of the Red Skull is a Nazi. The odds of a black guy playing him are slim, purely because of the definitions of his character. Besides, Hugo Weaving did such a good job, why would you want to throw him to the curbside?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Weaving was great, but he won't be returning to play Red Skull. He said he might be contractually obligated, but he wasn't terribly interested in returning for any more films, and apparently he was in a lot of pain throughout the entire film due to the makeup/prosthetics.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    The only time I've gotten away with it is when I quote M's line in SF.

    That's effin sad that the only effin time you can use that effin word is then.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Weaving was great, but he won't be returning to play Red Skull. He said he might be contractually obligated, but he wasn't terribly interested in returning for any more films, and apparently he was in a lot of pain throughout the entire film due to the makeup/prosthetics.

    Really? But they're going to bring Skull back, so you'd hope he would return to finish what he started?
  • Pajan005Pajan005 Stockholm, Sweden
    edited March 2014 Posts: 432
    After Craig perhaps.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Methinks this thread is going terribly off-topic. Some order here please! Make a spin-off thread by all means but this is not the place for this discussion.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Well, I'm not seeing anything new. As with all other Black Bond threads we've had in the past, they either get locked over severe civil war or because they have gone ridiculously off topic. I'm about to win back the money I bet on this thread. ;-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Okay, let me steer it back. Can't get much more controversial, and I'm sure it's been asked before:

    Is there anyone that would stop watching the Bond films if a black actor was confirmed to play 007?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Is there anyone that would stop watching the Bond films if a black actor was confirmed to play 007?
    No.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm sure someone would, I thought one of the last times this topic was opened up, a few people stated they wouldn't watch it any longer.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Is there anyone that would stop watching the Bond films if a black actor was confirmed to play 007?
    No.

    Neither would I for that matter and i think anyone who would need only look at the nuts behind the CRAIGNOTBOND debacle of 2005-06 to see how ridiculous such a position would be. I see in The Sunday Times magazine today that Idris Elba (one of their 100 C21st Britons) was linked with the Bond role yet again, so this thread is very topical and has a definite right to exist in my book.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    So I will again answer the question posed by the thread's title, to be succinctly on topic:

    Would I accept a black Bond? Yes, I would.

    Is there really any more relevant discussions we can have on this? I think it is rather talked out. But I am glad this thread has lasted this long.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited March 2014 Posts: 18,344
    4EverBonded wrote:
    So I will again answer the question posed by the thread's title, to be succinctly on topic:

    Would I accept a black Bond? Yes, I would.

    Is there really any more relevant discussions we can have on this? I think it is rather talked out. But I am glad this thread has lasted this long.

    I think that there is still more to say on this (I know I've been meaning to add to it in a substantive sense and I will very soon). Please mods keep this thread open.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    EoN are going to cast Elba as a villain; I can see it now.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited March 2014 Posts: 18,344
    doubleoego wrote:
    EoN are going to cast Elba as a villain; I can see it now.

    Well, there have been articles doing the rounds over year ago now to the effect that Idris Elba will play Mr Big in a remake of LALD. Can't really see it though as much as I dig the idea personally.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    EoN are going to cast Elba as a villain; I can see it now.

    Well, there have been articles doing the rounds over year ago now to the effect that Idris Elba will play Mr Big in a remake of LALD. Can't really see it though as much as I dig the idea personally.

    Or they could use Idris as a villain closer to the Big of the novel.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    EoN are going to cast Elba as a villain; I can see it now.

    Well, there have been articles doing the rounds over year ago now to the effect that Idris Elba will play Mr Big in a remake of LALD. Can't really see it though as much as I dig the idea personally.

    Or they could use Idris as a villain closer to the Big of the novel.

    Yes, sorry that is what I meant to emphasise - that it would be a more faithful (wouldn't be hard, mind) adaptation of LALD than was the 1973 film version, presumably under new title to avoid confusion.
  • RC7RC7
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    The difficulty with casting Idris is that he is infinitely more charismatic than Craig. Although maybe that doesn't matter.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Agent007391 wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    Mrs. chrisisall says that (especially in superhero & sci-fi movies) we should be 100% colourblind. People are people; just pick the best actor & give an equal chance to all.

    In the future when all people on this planet are a sort of light/medium brown, IMO this won't be an issue. \:D/

    Would you have a Black actor play Red Skull?

    Well, the odds that we'd see his hands are slim, his face would be blood red, so that wouldn't matter much.

    Now, the character of the Red Skull is a Nazi. The odds of a black guy playing him are slim, purely because of the definitions of his character. Besides, Hugo Weaving did such a good job, why would you want to throw him to the curbside?

    Of course Weaving was great, I mean hypothetically, if the role was open to a cast or a recast, could a black actor play the Red Skull, including before he turned into a red skull? I don't think so, for very obvious reasons.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    EoN are going to cast Elba as a villain; I can see it now.

    Well, there have been articles doing the rounds over year ago now to the effect that Idris Elba will play Mr Big in a remake of LALD. Can't really see it though as much as I dig the idea personally.

    Or they could use Idris as a villain closer to the Big of the novel.

    They could even give him the name Buonaparte Ignace Gallia.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    RC7 wrote:
    The difficulty with casting Idris is that he is infinitely more charismatic than Craig. Although maybe that doesn't matter.

    Idris did not impress me all that in PROMETHEUS perhaps it is time for Michael Fassbinder to pick up the cape of 007. ;)

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