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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    RC7 wrote:
    The difficulty with casting Idris is that he is infinitely more charismatic than Craig. Although maybe that doesn't matter.

    I don't think it matters. They would just bring different things to the table acting-wise, that's all.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Plus, isn't it a good thing for the next actor playing James Bond to bring something different? I love Craig and his work on the films, but I don't want a clone of him come the next actor being announced.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited March 2014 Posts: 4,619
    I thing Bond should always be white. At the same time I think it's perfectly fine that we have a black Moneypenny now. They can always keep the core cast diverse by casting non-white people in the role of M, Q and Moneypenny in the future.

    This is a fun discussion but futile. Bond wil be played by a white actor for a long long time because a non-white Bond would sell less tickets. Sad but true.

    The one thing I don't understand is that why are there so many discussions on the internet about a potential black Bond and no discussions about an Asian Bond or a latino Bond etc. They may end up casting an ethnic Asian actor in the role before a black one...
  • RC7RC7
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    The difficulty with casting Idris is that he is infinitely more charismatic than Craig. Although maybe that doesn't matter.

    I don't think it matters. They would just bring different things to the table acting-wise, that's all.

    Yes, I'd probably agree. I'd very much like them to face off. Like I say, I think Idris is insanely charismatic, almost a black Connery, but Craig is equally confident. A face-off would be electric, I think.

  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
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    If this forum existed at Pierce Brosnan's casting, and if he had declared, "I won't smoke cigarettes", would it have been accepted ? Fleming's Bond is a chain smoker, really, it may be the most surprising fact that someone starting the books after seeing the latest movies will notice. The movie Bond is first seen smoking a cigarette, but in the last years it has almost totally disappeared. And quitting smoking is PC to the max, maybe we would have had tons of posts about Political Correctness destroying Bond.

    If this forum existed at Daniel Craig's casting, and if he had declared, "I'll train to get ripped as no Bond had been before", would it have been accepted ? Fleming's Bond is not supposed to be that fit, he even has to train specifically on some occasions. Maybe we would have had tons of posts about Bond turning into a gay icon, or into a generic US blockbuster hero.

    Yet, ripped and non-smoking Craig is very well accepted now.

    So, in the end, many that claim they would not accept a black Bond, may accept it far more easily than they think if it happens some day !
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    On that topic, I really wish Bond would start smoking again. I think SF would've been a perfect opportunity for it.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Elba as a villain would certainly be a great move! Really like what he has done so please Eon cast him as a villain.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    On that topic, I really wish Bond would start smoking again. I think SF would've been a perfect opportunity for it.
    It was the perfect opportunity, and if Mendes/EON didn't jump at the chance even when Bond was in a physical and mental wreck, then I can't see them doing it for anything less. Sorry.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, neither do I. I didn't say I can see it happening, I'm saying I want it to happen. They had the perfect opportunity and passed on it, and since Bond hasn't smoked in the movies in 12 years, I don't think it's going to happen again.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Mi6community: you can talk about how wet Barbara Broccoli gets over Daniel Craig, you can get away with posting porn (it's happened), you can talk about how stupid religion is and you can spout BS about how the "leftist gay mafia" is out to get you but don't swear, a couple of f bombs will get you a warning, because that's just too offensive.

    What really gets me though is that they swear in the Bond films. So since we're all Bond fans surely none of us are offended by it? And who is actually offended by the f word anyway?

    You are right, we have moved on and Bond films allow mild swearing, but the problem we have is that if we say yes go ahead, no bars to the language you can use, we end up with people F-ing away because they either think it's cool or they can't think of a better adjective to use.

    It's really an all or nothing situation, and until we (mods) are told otherwise, swearing isn't on the agenda. ;-)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I really don't like some of the smuttier comments that are made sometimes (thankfully, not often), even without swear words. So yes, thelivingroyale has a good point about that.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I must admit i was surprised when M said " I've f****ed this up havent i "...first time for a Bond film,but it didnt bother me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    barryt007 wrote:
    I must admit i was surprised when M said " I've f****ed this up havent i "...first time for a Bond film,but it didnt bother me.

    That took me five viewings in theaters to make 100% sure that was really what she said.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    I must admit i was surprised when M said " I've f****ed this up havent i "...first time for a Bond film,but it didnt bother me.

    That took me five viewings in theaters to make 100% sure that was really what she said.

    I bet it did ,i even had to look at the script online to make sure she said it - and she did.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I don't want to take this off topic, too, seeing as how the thread has managed to go on this long, but I loved the usage of it in the film. Wrapped up all of the things M was involved in throughout the entire film in one question.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Its been long overdue and takes Bond into more risque territory,which i also think is good !
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited March 2014 Posts: 12,837
    NicNac wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Mi6community: you can talk about how wet Barbara Broccoli gets over Daniel Craig, you can get away with posting porn (it's happened), you can talk about how stupid religion is and you can spout BS about how the "leftist gay mafia" is out to get you but don't swear, a couple of f bombs will get you a warning, because that's just too offensive.

    What really gets me though is that they swear in the Bond films. So since we're all Bond fans surely none of us are offended by it? And who is actually offended by the f word anyway?

    You are right, we have moved on and Bond films allow mild swearing, but the problem we have is that if we say yes go ahead, no bars to the language you can use, we end up with people F-ing away because they either think it's cool or they can't think of a better adjective to use.

    It's really an all or nothing situation, and until we (mods) are told otherwise, swearing isn't on the agenda. ;-)

    I understand and I don't really have a problem with the no swearing rule. My problem is that I've seen much more offensive/vulgar posts on here than what I posted (which was "wtf are you on about?" for people who didn't see it), but they've gotten away with it because they didn't swear.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
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    I guess anything is possible, but I would oppose a black bond, and I would hold it against him when ranking him among the other actors, its just too far of a deviation from Flemming or from how he is portrayed in the movies.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ottofuse8 wrote:
    I guess anything is possible, but I would oppose a black bond, and I would hold it against him when ranking him among the other actors, its just too far of a deviation from Flemming or from how he is portrayed in the movies.

    I feel like that might be going over the line a bit, holding it against an actor because the color of his skin. What if he was an absolutely phenomenal actor with excellent range who nailed every aspect of Bond perfectly, excluding his race? Would you still rank him as one of the lowest?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ottofuse8 wrote:
    I guess anything is possible, but I would oppose a black bond, and I would hold it against him when ranking him among the other actors, its just too far of a deviation from Flemming or from how he is portrayed in the movies.

    I feel like that might be going over the line a bit, holding it against an actor because the color of his skin. What if he was an absolutely phenomenal actor with excellent range who nailed every aspect of Bond perfectly, excluding his race? Would you still rank him as one of the lowest?

    probably, as it would for me be the end of Ian Flemings 007. I would stick to the previous movies and the books. It would just not be my idea of 007.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited March 2014 Posts: 45,489
    SaintMark wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ottofuse8 wrote:
    I guess anything is possible, but I would oppose a black bond, and I would hold it against him when ranking him among the other actors, its just too far of a deviation from Flemming or from how he is portrayed in the movies.

    I feel like that might be going over the line a bit, holding it against an actor because the color of his skin. What if he was an absolutely phenomenal actor with excellent range who nailed every aspect of Bond perfectly, excluding his race? Would you still rank him as one of the lowest?

    probably, as it would for me be the end of Ian Flemings 007. I would stick to the previous movies and the books. It would just not be my idea of 007.

    Would you accept it if he was referred to as black in a new book? Or if the author tries to write as Ian Fleming-as a negro ? Not trying to be funny, just wondering.
  • Matt_HelmMatt_Helm
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ottofuse8 wrote:
    I guess anything is possible, but I would oppose a black bond, and I would hold it against him when ranking him among the other actors, its just too far of a deviation from Flemming or from how he is portrayed in the movies.

    I feel like that might be going over the line a bit, holding it against an actor because the color of his skin. What if he was an absolutely phenomenal actor with excellent range who nailed every aspect of Bond perfectly, excluding his race? Would you still rank him as one of the lowest?

    probably, as it would for me be the end of Ian Flemings 007. I would stick to the previous movies and the books. It would just not be my idea of 007.

    Would you accept it if he was referred to as black in a new book? Or if the author tries to write as Ian Fleming-as a negro ? Not trying to be funny, just wondering.

    Not only no but hell NOOOOO!!! (imagine yourself standing in front of man high loudspeakers turned to maximum volume)
    This discussion is going beyond ridiculousness. Don't you guys realize,that some of you are getting more and more similar to the endlessly debating "terrorists" in The life of Brian from argument to argument?
  • RC7RC7
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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    This discussion is going beyond ridiculousness.

    It's actually not that bad. As always, if you don't like it you can easily stay out of it.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Thunderfinger wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ottofuse8 wrote:
    I guess anything is possible, but I would oppose a black bond, and I would hold it against him when ranking him among the other actors, its just too far of a deviation from Flemming or from how he is portrayed in the movies.

    I feel like that might be going over the line a bit, holding it against an actor because the color of his skin. What if he was an absolutely phenomenal actor with excellent range who nailed every aspect of Bond perfectly, excluding his race? Would you still rank him as one of the lowest?

    probably, as it would for me be the end of Ian Flemings 007. I would stick to the previous movies and the books. It would just not be my idea of 007.

    Would you accept it if he was referred to as black in a new book? Or if the author tries to write as Ian Fleming-as a negro ? Not trying to be funny, just wondering.

    No I would not.

    Like so many original characters getting a new writer, if they change the essentials the book is no longer about the original character so I would not read it. The newer writers have enough trouble to match the Fleming output as it is so I would not be bothered.

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Not only no, but hell no.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    SaintMark wrote:
    The newer writers have enough trouble to match the Fleming output as it is
    Heh, good point.
  • DRush76DRush76
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    I don't mind a black Bond.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited March 2014 Posts: 4,399
    would i accept it - as one who is not making the casting decisions I guess I would just have to suck it up and deal with it..... Not being racist or bigoted on my end, but James Bond is established as a white male - case closed... I'm tired of Political Correctness - it has run amuck and is virtually destroying my country - because you can no longer speak without being afraid of offending someone, and then that person with file a lawsuit against you, or get you fired from your job - yes, i have seen it happen.... and that's purely what this poll is and will suggest "Are we ready for a Black James Bond?"... Yes, I think if that day came we as a society are advanced enough that we would accept it, in time.... but do i think it should happen? No......

    ....... and the day it does happen then Tom Hanks should be cast as John Shaft or Black Dynamite...

    They should come up with some good awesome black characters that don't involve Tyler Perry and then run with them, instead of having to cannibalize white ones..... case in point - the character of Django from the most recent Tarantino movie - F-ing brilliant.... i could get behind a Django series of films if it were to happen (i know it wont though).
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    it was a different character, with different backgrounds.
  • 001001
    edited March 2014 Posts: 1,575
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    Mi6community: you can talk about how wet Barbara Broccoli gets over Daniel Craig, you can get away with posting porn (it's happened), you can talk about how stupid religion is and you can spout BS about how the "leftist gay mafia" is out to get you but don't swear, a couple of f bombs will get you a warning, because that's just too offensive.

    What really gets me though is that they swear in the Bond films. So since we're all Bond fans surely none of us are offended by it? And who is actually offended by the f word anyway?

    Leave Barbara out of the gutter language comments please. :(
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