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Saying people who disagree with you aren't "true fans" is just plain stupid. And buying tons of Bond stuff doesn't give you any more credibility than @ChickenStu has.
Actually you are. You're a Bond fan if you like James Bond.
I'm struggling to see where you're getting this idea from. Like I said further up the page, if Idris Elba is one of the most popular choices for the next Bond actor then surely that means that most people would accept a black actor as Bond?
There's a place you can pull stuff from. Principled nitwits might call it an anus, others, an arse.
LOL!!! Yeah, that whole blonde thing was a bit silly wasn't it?
Still - when you said earlier that people wouldn't go see a black guy in the part... if that's true, don't you find it a bit sad?
Call me an idealist - I don't care. Skin colour means nothing to me. I find racism deplorable. I apologise to anyone I called racist - it's just subjects like this I'm sensitive about and my heart rules my head.
I just want a world where every human being is equal - where we can all live together without hate and fear. God has no grand-children... we are ALL brothers and sisters.
I grew up with a very racist Dad and older brother - and rather than turn out being like them I turned out exactly the opposite. Any man I meet is my friend and my brother. No matter what they look like.
Don't mean to sound sappy or sentimental - it's just truly the way I feel.
Just do me a favour. Remember that bit in Skyfall where Daniel Craig walks in firing the gun. Now imagine that was Idris Elba - wouldn't that still look equally badass cool?!?
Imagine Idris Elba saying THE line (you know the one I mean...)
Come on... are you seriously telling me you don't want to see that film?!?
That being said, I'm not opposed to it. We've already made a clean break from previous continuity, however rough that was, with the "reboot" in Casino Royale. That opens Bond up to all sorts of casting flexibility, as we no longer need to maintain the illusion that the past 50 years of films all focused on one ageless guy.
If a black 007 is going to happen, it's probably not going to be Elba. He's too old (41, which would make him in his mid-late 40's when Craig finishes up) and arguably too famous for the role. The eventual replacement is likely working smaller films or television right now and has yet to establish a marquee filmography. Of course, that's not going to stop tabloids from trotting out every major actor with or without a British accent as candidates.
As for my own personal view, I am torn. I would not be bothered if the next Bond was white, I would not be bothered if the next Bond was not white. I must admit, I do have my reservations, but if a non-white actor were to come along and give a sublime performance, I would back him 100%.
I would not go and see Idris Elba as James Bond 007, and the man might be a cool character in Luther but I am sure that him being the next 007 would be franchise killer. The general perceived idea is a white Bond even by the colour folks themselves. Even Jackie Chan, very popular would not want to be 007.
Luther as a baddie, now that would be far more impressive opposite Daniel Craig, I would not mind seeing that.
I do not consider it bad if the various cultural backgrounds have their own popular characters. I do not want an Indian 007 either, he might start to dance and sing at any moment. Which would scare the living daylights out of me.
And while I share equality for anybody and everybody I do not see the need that some aspects of culture should be given up for grabs because that would be equality. James Bond as a culteral character should stick to his roots, so that the puritans get their kicks and the Moore/Brosnan fans get theirs.
And keep that Will Smith away from the franchise, he manages to destroy any cult-scifi novel with his ideas and imput.
I disagree fully. that is PC talking and I do not like that.
I respect that some others do feel differently. I don't feel any urge to bash people or call them racist, closed-minded, etc. People don't need to explain their opinion ten times if they have already stated it clearly. This is just a discussion and sharing of opinions.
Although born in the UK, he's American. He's openly gay but at CR time it wasn't known. His father is Black, but with a good lighting and photography you can make his skin look "white". Would you say, let's wait, pray and see, or would you launch millernotbond.com ?
No, it means that right now, in this hypothetical, borderline fantasist casting, people would accept this particular black actor as Bond. But they are not in this situation, and Idris Elba will almost certainly never be cast as Bond.
People have accepted Jude Law as Bond, Collin Farrell as Bond, Goran Viscjnic or whatever his name was as Bond, Mel Gibson as Bond, I think they even accepted Robbie Williams as Bond too, according to similar polls. The most popular casting choice for Bond in an hypothetical scenario is always a celebrity, with a fanbase and the people answering the question answer it the same way they'd choose the winner of X Factor. I have seen fans of Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Russel Crowe mentioning them as potential James Bond. Such opinion polls have little to no bearing in reality, should they ever consider seriously a black actor as Bond in the future.
Actually no. Yes, it is essential that the next Bond actor is a good actor. But as I mentioned, however talented a fat or even a chubby actor is, he stands no chance to be Bond. Look and physique matter a lot when it comes to Bond. Someone too short would not make it either. And it is true of every single role: you need to look the part.
So the majority would accept Idris Elba but no other black actor? What sense does that make?
If somebody wants Idris Elba to be Bond then they clearly don't mind the next Bond actor being black. They might not like a particular black actor being cast but if they were championing Elba for the part then their issues with the actor aren't going to have anything to do with race.
But how is this similar? Making Bond fat isn't just changing his appearance. Like I said, a black Bond could still pull off the parkour in CR. A fat Bond couldn't.
That's not, in any way, PC talking. The only thing I care about is the performance. On the TSWLM DVD, there's the bonus feature "Inside The Spy Who Loved Me", has the stunt director (Bob Simmons, I think was his name; I haven't watched it in a while) describing how he could double for Richard Kiel, and he says something along the lines of "as long as the action's good, it could be a monkey dancing out in a top hat and spurs". (I'm paraphrasing from memory.)
Could Sean Connery circa DAF have pulled the parkour in CR? Could Adam West, who was considered (although I doubt seriously)? And conversely, even if Russel Crowe was getting a bit chubby, he would still be strong and with a good stamina, at least seemingly. Would he be suitable as Bond?
You just made me picture Rupert Grint as Bond. I can't stop laughing.
Riiiiiight and yet, it's King Connery that is the only Bond that has done both.
...as evidenced by Foulcan.
Yes,but that is because he was a sexmachine to all the chicks!
From 2 pages back, thelivingroyale talks about the Shaft comparison - I bolded part of his quote.
Anyway, I don't mind either way, yet I respect that some people cannot buy into a non-white Bond, that it is too much of a change. We can disagree without rancor (though I don't know that some of us will...).
Many of us have addressed this point. It's the same line I see peddled every time this topic arises. It's the kind of thing an adolescent might say.
I? Never,ever! I'm already having a very hard time with the Samuel L.Jackson remake.
That was a travesty on every level.
It's what I believe a riled up teenager might say. I've heard it far too many times. While I've no intention to insult you personally, many have said it, I'm Just calling it how I see it.
There were plenty of responses to your question, it having been raised, as Drax might say, with a tedious inevitability. If you haven't read them you can look back over the thread.
The garbage bin has been cleaned out from previous filth collecting. This thread can go there at any point when the fit hits the shan.
So please play nice, stay on topic, ignore provocative statements - even the personal ones, no; especially the personal ones - and flag like you've never flagged before. It so happens to be the only way this thread may live...
(... most likely to die another day.)