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  • How different would the climax game be from the final battle game?

    Not very. The same game under a different name.

    So why the devil did you vote for it?

    Because I wasn't even a part of this forum when that elimination game was underway. Not to mention that just because a game has been played does not mean it cannot be replayed. Bond films was replayed for example. As was PTS's.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    How different would the climax game be from the final battle game?

    Not very. The same game under a different name.

    So why the devil did you vote for it?

    Because I wasn't even a part of this forum when that elimination game was underway. Not to mention that just because a game has been played does not mean it cannot be replayed. Bond films was replayed for example. As was PTS's.

    As there was a new film to be included.
  • How different would the climax game be from the final battle game?

    Not very. The same game under a different name.

    So why the devil did you vote for it?

    Because I wasn't even a part of this forum when that elimination game was underway. Not to mention that just because a game has been played does not mean it cannot be replayed. Bond films was replayed for example. As was PTS's.

    As there was a new film to be included.

    So there is here.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, exactly.
  • Does anybody have any final votes?
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    Does anybody have any final votes?

    If this is an official vote then yes.

    Bond Actors - II (+1)
    Gun Barrels - II
    Post Fleming novels- I
    Villain Weapon - II
    Bond Songs (all songs with lyrics) - I
    Movie climaxes - III
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Bond Actors - III (+1)
    Gun Barrels - II
    Post Fleming novels- I
    Villain Weapon - II
    Bond Songs (all songs with lyrics) - I
    Movie climaxes - III
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    If everyone has voted now, maybe we can do Movie climaxes and then Bond actors once the oneliner game is over?
  • Posts: 9,846
    Let's do bond actors first
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
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    Bond Actors - III
    Gun Barrels - II
    Post Fleming novels- I
    Villain Weapon - II
    Bond Songs (all songs with lyrics) - I
    Movie climaxes - IIII (+1)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Bond Actors - III
    Gun Barrels - II
    Post Fleming novels- I
    Villain Weapon - II
    Bond Songs (all songs with lyrics) - I
    Movie climaxes - IIII

    So with this vote it looks like Movie climaxes has the majority vote.
    Whoever suggested this game, may go ahead and set it up.

    Once the one liners game has finished, then we can proceed with the Bond actors game so as to keep the elimination games rolling.

  • Movie climaxes I had suggested long ago. This is the original list which I presented.

    DN - Fight with Dr. No
    FRWL - Boat Chase
    GF - Battle at Fort Knox
    TB - Underwater Battle
    YOLT - Volcano Battle
    OHMSS - Battle at Piz Gloria
    DAF - Oil Rig Battle
    LALD - Fight with Kananga
    TMWTGG - Duel with Scaramanga
    TSWLM - Battle on the Liparus
    MR - Space Lazer Battle
    FYEO - Fight at St. Cyril's
    OP - Plane Grappling
    AVTAK - Fight on the Golden Gate Bridge
    TLD - Fight with Necros
    LTK - Tanker Chase
    GE - Fight with 006
    TND - Battle on the Stealth Ship
    TWINE - Submarine Battle
    DAD - Plane Battle
    CR - Fight in the Venetian Building
    QOS - Battle in the Eco Hotel
    SF - Attack on Skyfall
    SP - Rescue of Madeleine Swann

    If anyone has something to say about this list you can say it now. Only things that might really be contentious are the following:

    TB - do we say that the climax is the underwater battle or the fight on the Disco Volante?
    TLD - this one is tough: is it the big air base battle, or the cargo net fight, or the final fight with Whitaker?

    Opinions before I go ahead with this one?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    SP's finale is broader than just the rescue of Swann. MI6/Thames/Bridge.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    SP's finale is broader than just the rescue of Swann. MI6/Thames/Bridge.

    I am tempted to agree, but unlike the finales game which went ahead some time ago, I believe a 'climax' is more of a moment; specifically the tensest or 'biggest' moment.

    If the SP finale includes the exploration of Mi6, boat chase on the Thames and the confrontation of Blofeld on Westminster, then the climax must certainly be one of those things. Probably the exploration of Mi6.

    Of course it all depends on whether we play the game like that or the previous finales game.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    SP's finale is broader than just the rescue of Swann. MI6/Thames/Bridge.

    I am tempted to agree, but unlike the finales game which went ahead some time ago, I believe a 'climax' is more of a moment; specifically the tensest or 'biggest' moment.

    If the SP finale includes the exploration of Mi6, boat chase on the Thames and the confrontation of Blofeld on Westminster, then the climax must certainly be one of those things. Probably the exploration of Mi6.

    Of course it all depends on whether we play the game like that or the previous finales game.
    You're right about that. But in SP's case, I'd say the Thames sequence is where the climax picks up. The score is a representation of that.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    SP's finale is broader than just the rescue of Swann. MI6/Thames/Bridge.

    I am tempted to agree, but unlike the finales game which went ahead some time ago, I believe a 'climax' is more of a moment; specifically the tensest or 'biggest' moment.

    If the SP finale includes the exploration of Mi6, boat chase on the Thames and the confrontation of Blofeld on Westminster, then the climax must certainly be one of those things. Probably the exploration of Mi6.

    Of course it all depends on whether we play the game like that or the previous finales game.
    You're right about that. But in SP's case, I'd say the Thames sequence is where the climax picks up. The score is a representation of that.

    Yes it is a bit contentious as to whether the climax is at Mi6 or the Thames. Unfortunately we can't really use the score as a representation of the climax, since the moment where Bond finds Madeleine is also scored by a heroic Bond theme (end of "Detonation").
  • GBFGBF
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    One criteria could be that there should be an interaction between Bond and the main villain. Therefore I see the fight on the Disco Volante as the climax of TB, especially since the underwater scenes go on for quiet some time. Or we regard both together as a whole package like the Volcano climax in YOLT.

    I am not sure about TLD. I think the real climax is the fight with Whitaker since he and Koskov are the main villains of the film. After the fight with Necros, you really know that there has to be something more. You know that this cannot be the end of the film.

    Also not sure about the boat chase in FRWL. Actually I think that the fight between Red Grant and Bond feels more like a climax, on the other hand one could regard the fight between Bond and Rosa as the real climax. Not sure about that one too.

    I am also not sure about TSWLM.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 1,817
    @GBF it is plausible to turn quite a few of them around really. FRWL is bound to be very arguable, but I would discount the fight between Bond and Grant since it really comes too early and the boat chase feels more like a climax (Blofeld himself says it is their 'last chance').

    I consider the Liparus Battle to be the climax of TSWLM since by the time it sinks the villain's plot cannot succeed.

    But of course it all depends on your point of view. In fact one might consider OP's climax to be the stuff at the air force base, which was certainly the tensest part of the film. In SF the climax might be the scene at the chapel. And so on.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    These are the climaxes and criteria we used for the first Climaxes game-

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/10253/the-great-bond-film-finale-elimination-game/p1
  • GBFGBF
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    These are the climaxes and criteria we used for the first Climaxes game-

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/10253/the-great-bond-film-finale-elimination-game/p1

    Looking back at these criteria, there does not seem to be any differences between movie finale and climaxes.The selection is more or less the same...
  • Posts: 4,044
    These are the climaxes and criteria we used for the first Climaxes game-

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/10253/the-great-bond-film-finale-elimination-game/p1

    There are some real differences in time in some of those. They all look good except that FRWL seems to be a bit short-changed. TLD for instance gets the whole air base attack, plus the Necros fight. FRWL gets the boat chase, but not the Klebb fight after or the Grant fight before. Bond vs Grant is the real climax of FRWL for me.
  • Posts: 9,846
    For me the true climax of casino Royale is the card game
  • OK, if I redo the climaxes:

    DN: Fight with Dr. No + Escape from Crab Key
    FRWL: Boat Chase (or is the fight with Grant???)
    GF: Battle at Fort Knox
    TB: Underwater Battle + Disco Volante
    YOLT: Volcano Battle
    OHMSS: Battle at Piz Gloria
    DAF: Oil Rig Battle
    LALD: Shark Deathtrap + Fight with Kananga
    TMWTGG: Duel with Scaramanga + Escape from Scaramanga's Island
    TSWLM: Battle on the Liparus
    MR: Space Lazer Battle
    FYEO: Fights at St. Cyril's
    OP: Battle at Khan's Palace + Plane Hanging
    AVTAK: Fight on the Golden Gate Bridge
    TLD: Air Base Battle + Plane Sequence
    LTK: Laboratory Destruction + Tanker Chase
    GE: Fight with 006
    TND: Stealth Ship Battle
    TWINE: Attack on Maiden's Tower + Submarine Battle
    DAD: Battle on the Antonov + Helicopter Escape
    CR: Fight in the Venetian Building
    QOS: Battle in the Eco Hotel
    SF: Attack on Skyfall + Frozen Lake Confrontation
    SP: Exploration of Mi6 + Boat Chase

    TLD plane sequence includes fight with Necros, dropping the bomb and the escape in the jeep.

    Some notes:

    I might like to note that just by adding stuff to the climaxes it's not like my opinion of something goes up. A good example is TMWTGG. If I consider the duel with Scaramanga to be the climax then I have a high opinion of it. Factor in the meltdown stuff afterwards with Goodnight setting off the laser and it comes down a good ten places.

    If a climax is composite, its sum parts must be in the general same time period. There must be no 'period of rest' between them. In FRWL, there is a definite period of rest between the Grant fight, helicopter and boat chases. So I would not group them as a climax.

    I consider some suggested climaxes as 'aftermath' or 'resolutions'. Not meant to be as big and flashy as climaxes but merely meant to tie up the story or a loose end. E.g. confrontations with Rosa Klebb and Brad Whitaker. Fights with Tee Hee and Nick Nack.
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    The fights with Wint & Kidd, Tee Hee etc are certainly aftermath. Clearly after the climax of the Oil Rig or Underground Confrontation.

    The problem is that some other movies are not as clear. The Scaramanga duel is the climax for me, but the island escape seems more part of it than the Nick Nack comeback.

    In FRWL the whole story builds up to Grant vs Bond. After the train fight for me it is aftermath and resolution, but that does mean the climax isn't that near the end of the movie.

    As you say it is all down to point of view, and it is your game and your choice. So good luck with it, it looks good so far.
  • edited July 2016 Posts: 1,817
    Thanks @vzok . I think it'll be up soon.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    So should we start the Bond actors game now?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    So should we start the Bond actors game now?

    Can't see why not @Thunderfinger
    Who's helming that one?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    If no one else will, I can set it up.
  • Posts: 9,846
    Ok so bond actor game is done and my guess is next Friday the climax game by my calculations should be done so let's talk about the next one we could do.

    A few ideas and brief thoughts

    M Elimintation game: in all honesty there are by my count 7 Actors to have the M role (Brenard Lee Jack Huston David Nevin Robert Brown Edward Fox Dame Judi Dench and Ralph Fiennes) and while I am sure the final battle will be Dench versus Lee would be interesting to see how they are ranked

    Q elimination game: sure Desmond Llewlyan will win but who could come in second Ben Wishaw? Peter Burton? John Cleese? Could be interesting to see how they are ranked of course if this wins I have to ask the question of how we count the what I feel are Q scenes in casino Royale and quantum of solace

    James Bond author elimination game: Thunderfinger pointed out how stupid my intial idea was and fine while it's likely most of us haven't read every novel (I myself am halfway through the Gardner series and haven't even hit the young bonds) I think based on reviews on he Internet and the discussion here we could do an author elimination game again Fleming will win but who will come in second Gardner? Benson? Etc

    Sex scene elimination game: which one was hottest which one had the best chemstry which one well you get the idea.

    Bond 25 title elimination game: take one chapter title from each of Fleming's novels the four short stories and the two character last names Blofeld and Shatterhand and let the battle begin would be really crazy if the title of bond 25 was not only in the list but won the elimination game

    Main ally elimination game: this could be a good game as well

    Evil orgnization elimination game: Spectre from the 60's versus Janus versus KGB versus quantum etc

    Gunbarrel elimination game:


    That is all I can think off.

  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
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    Mentioned this a while ago - secondary Bond girls could be a game to take on?
    Of the ones suggested a few pages back I’d like to see a final scenes game. That could be fun.

    As for my own suggestion, I’d like to see a Bond Girls one; I know that this will have been done but was before I joined this community.

    Another suggestion, on a similar theme could be Minor Bond Girls. I’ve compiled a list so people can see how it could go. It may have been done before, so apologies if it has. It would go something like this:

    DN – Sylvia Trench
    FRWL – Vida/Zora (Couldn’t well go with Sylvia again)
    GF – Jill Masterson
    TB – Patricia Fearing
    YOLT – Ling
    OHMSS – Ruby Bartlett
    DAF – Plenty O’ Toole
    LALD – Miss Caruso
    TMWTGG – Andrea Anders
    TSWLM – Felicca
    MR – Manuela
    FYEO – Lisl
    OP – Bianca
    AVTAK – Kimberley Jones
    TLD – Linda
    LTK – Lupe Lamopra
    GE – Caroline
    TND – Prof Inga Bergstrom
    TWINE – Dr Molly Warmflash
    DAD – Peaceful Fountains Of Desire (can’t think of any others here)
    CR – Solange
    QOS – Fields
    SF – Bonds Lover (Unnamed but played by Tonia Sotiropoulou)
    SP – Lucia Sciarra

    I’d go with a 20 point game as I’m not sure on how the interest would be. Cheers.



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