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Thats the beauty of Bond fandom though. Not everybody likes the same. I have even come across a fellow who's favourite is TWINE. And another who's least favourite is FRWL. Those are two things I never thought I would see.
I think if someone says SF is better than CR, they are already overrating that film, but that's just me.
My interest with SF's acclaim is as I said above. It does many things SP does, but where SP is driven into the ground for it, SF is praised like a king. SP has less in your face Bond references or moments of fan service, just as it also deals with the humor leaps and bounds above SF. Those are two major complaints of the Mendes films, but SF is able to be accepted for its flaws while SP is absolutely pile-driven. I don't think anyone would argue that the personal connection with Bond and Blofeld was a fantastic idea, but other than that aspect I struggle to find worthy criticisms to make about that film beyond nitpicks.
My point being, SF and SP are very much derived from the same ideas, and it's clear which one gets the special treatment and which one doesn't, though it does many things better. It just puzzles me sometimes why this feeling exists in such a high number.
With regards to SP, I just see it as a mediocre & predictable box ticking exercise. It has none of the spark that makes SF special and what it attempts to do has been done many times before and far better in other Bond films. Brofeld is the least of my problems with it.
I've found with art that sometimes something just clicks, and sometimes it doesn't. The same goes with music etc. Some say Jackson never topped Thriller. I think he had some wonderful tracks after that 1982 release, many of which were technically superior. However none could capture the public imagination like that landmark LP. I was in a music store yesterday and Billie Jean came on. Nearly everyone in the store was grooving to it in some way, shape or form (humming, foot tapping, even cheering as the beat started) even though I'm sure they've all heard it hundreds of times before. That's what SF delivered in the 'movie' space, imho, despite its flaws.
It is making a statement rather than asking a question to the forum.
Aaaah i didnt know that,thanks for the heads up Brady !
I was lazy and didnt check the opening post...what a plonker i am !!
Them: "My favorite James Bond film is Skyfall, hands down. So satisfying."
Me: "More than Casino Royale?"
Them: "Yeah, that one was cool, too."
Have they seen films as far back as the Connery era?
SF comes across as confident and has a sweep, there is threat and there is tension, also all the action sequences are better than anything in SP.
You compare the 2 closing climaxes in SP to SF even if you don't like the Home Alone Straw dogs influence, there is no competition, that climax in Scotland is so much more memorable.
Both SP are so forgettable and yawnsome, I couldn't believe how tame and suspenseless those both moments are, the London climax is one of the worst of the series.
All the action sequence feel like they've been grafted from one of the Brosnan films, they are just vanilla apart from the PTS which along with the Mr White meet up is the best the film has to offer.
I wouldn't go as far to say that SPECTRE is the very worst but yes whereas SF is top 5, I'd say SP is bottom 10. It only is higher because I can't stand the PB era if it wasn't for that it would be bottom 5.
As for most overrated Goldfinger will always get that award for me, it is a classic and infinitely better than SP and GE but putting it as Connery's best when for me FRWL was suave deadly Bond personified I just don't see it.
I don't think I personally know anyone who is as invested in Bond as I am. My father comes close.
Yeah - OK - but did you see the rest of it? You know... the other half of the movie where Bond is captive in a basement in Kentucky?
GF is a top 10 Bond for me (like, #10) - but it's far from the best Bond film.
Once again spot on !!!
Even more hilarious is that the article was posted not even two years after SF released. You can't truly gauge how a film will age in such a short time, much less make such a weighty judgment about it being the most overrated film of all time.
I could call Abraham Lincoln an overrated president if I didn't like his policy or the outcome of the American Civil War, but that does little to diminish his grand stature in history. (Lincoln is my favorite president btw).
Skyfall's patriotic feeling is unique in the series and greatly contributes to my enjoyment of it.
Yup. You know the action sequences are in trouble if you can just cut them out without hurting the progression of the story. This is how the action was written in the Brosnan years (e.g. caviar factory in TWINE, Bond leaving the ice palace and then coming back immediately in DAD) - it has no function in the plot and grinds everything to a halt. I thought it was a real shame to again see action like this in Spectre... Cut out the Rome street race, and you miss nothing. Cut out Hinx kidnapping Madeleine and the plane chase, and you miss nothing. Cut out Hinx attacking Bond on the train, and you miss nothing. Compare with the action in CR (e.g. parkour, stairwell fight, sinking house) which drives the plot forward, develops character and has consequences.
Even something like the courthouse shootout in Skyfall is infinitely more exciting than the stuff in SP, because it comes from character and progresses the story. It feels earned and vital.
CR has this in spades, QoS too... yes for SF, ... and, as a SP apologist (knowing all it's warts), no... it's a film with loosely strung together sequences, none really related to the other in such a cohesive manner as the previous DC films where character action is telling story ... More like the director needed to kill time/budget and tossed in a car scene...
Once again, I say this as a SP apologist.
+1
And the buildup is fantastic. The recital of Tennyson is clearly Logan's addition (he loves having characters quote poetry)... Based on his contributions to Skyfall (betting that Silva's monologue is another, but I am less certain about that one), I was expecting a lot more from Spectre. I guess he is better at dialogue and theme work than at story.