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  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I remember @tanaka once talking about making your acting "bigger" in the theatre. That's something I can't help but think Dalton does sometimes (especially in LTK).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    That's a fact @BAIN123, and Craig himself did it beautifully in Betrayal, which I had the privilege of watching on Broadway in 2013. He upped the theatricality in his acting on stage and captivated the audience. Sadly his wife, who co-starred, was out of her league imho.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Shame as I like Ms. Weiz.

    I think Craig and Dalton have very different styles. Dalton's more old-school and "dramatic" and you can sort of tell at times that he was trained in the theatre (the way he sneaks around the WaveKrest before confronting Lupe).

    Craig is a bit more subtle I think and can convey a lot with a single slight expression.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    edited March 2017 Posts: 3,327
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Better than Connery in his early films or Craig during the torture scene? To quote Dalton himself "NO WAY!"
    Yes. Dalton in LTK surpasses every other actor who has played Bond, in every other film, because he nails the Fleming character 100%.

    Craig In CR and Connery in FRWL are a distant second.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Craig is a bit more subtle I think and can convey a lot with a single slight expression.
    I completely agree, and it is that subtlety that I missed in Brosnan and Dalton. Both seemed to become a bit extreme (in different ways) when attempting to demonstrate certain emotions & moods.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I remember @tanaka once talking about making your acting "bigger" in the theatre. That's something I can't help but think Dalton does sometimes (especially in LTK).

    Really? I see Craig hamming his performance up more in his films. Dalton plays Bond in LTK pretty low key with simmering emotion just below the surface for most of the film.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2017 Posts: 11,189
    The only time I think Craig possibly misses a step is in Spectre.

    The issue I have with Dalton is that you can sometimes TELL he's thought about his mannerisms and expressions before he gives them. The acting shows on occasions.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I thinks Craig's performance in SPECTRE is the worst since Lazenby and is proabably as bad as Connery in yolt
  • DRush76DRush76
    edited March 2017 Posts: 533
    I don't know about "overall", but in regard to a Bond film, my choice would be "GOLDFINGER", with "SKYFALL" as a close second.

    I agree. Just can't understand why Avatar was not critically panned.

    I never understood the major backlash against "AVATAR". It was never the best movie I had ever seen. It wasn't even my choice for the best movie of 2009. But I still believe it was pretty damn good. I liked it better than "TITANIC". Was it the pro-environmentalist message . . something that a lot of critics love to pan in other movies, as well? Was it the fact that humans were the dangerous invaders and not aliens? Or that the main heroine had to save the main hero's life . . . twice? I don't understand the current hostility toward "AVATAR". But . . . why should I bother? I'm aware of my own feelings about the movie and that is all that should matter to me.
  • RC7RC7
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    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Better than Connery in his early films or Craig during the torture scene? To quote Dalton himself "NO WAY!"
    Yes. Dalton in LTK surpasses every other actor who has played Bond, in every other film, because he nails the Fleming character 100%.

    Craig In CR and Connery in FRWL are a distant second.

    Opinions are opinions, but this one is actually wrong.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited March 2017 Posts: 19,339
    RC7 wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Better than Connery in his early films or Craig during the torture scene? To quote Dalton himself "NO WAY!"
    Yes. Dalton in LTK surpasses every other actor who has played Bond, in every other film, because he nails the Fleming character 100%.

    Craig In CR and Connery in FRWL are a distant second.



    Wow seriously ???? dont be silly jetsetwilly....i cant believe you just said that.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    RC7 wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Better than Connery in his early films or Craig during the torture scene? To quote Dalton himself "NO WAY!"
    Yes. Dalton in LTK surpasses every other actor who has played Bond, in every other film, because he nails the Fleming character 100%.

    Craig In CR and Connery in FRWL are a distant second.

    Opinions are opinions, but this one is actually wrong.

    =))
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2017 Posts: 13,978
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I find Dalton's performance in LTK a bit hit-and-miss. The reaction to Della hinting at Bond marrying after the wedding is excellent and probably one of my favourite moments from him. On the other hand, I don't think he quite delivers in the scene when he finds Della and Felix (Della particularly). You can just sense him trying to sell it with that dramatic look of surprise. It's certainly not on the same level as Craig at the end of SF.

    There's also the scene when he's with Lupe in the casino and he dramatically orders her to "take me to him". That's a moment that's bugged me for a while as it feels over-played with the pause and quick movement.
    Really? I think Dalton in LTK is the single best performance we've ever had by an actor playing the role. He absolutely nails it throughout the entire film for me.

    His LTK performance is up there, but beaten only by his own performance in TLD. He is absolutely perfect... perfect, in TLD. His look... mannerisms... voice.. that is my minds eye image of Bond. Though I am grateful that with LTK, we got to see Bond let off of his leash, and break new ground for the character.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I find Dalton's performance in LTK a bit hit-and-miss. The reaction to Della hinting at Bond marrying after the wedding is excellent and probably one of my favourite moments from him. On the other hand, I don't think he quite delivers in the scene when he finds Della and Felix (Della particularly). You can just sense him trying to sell it with that dramatic look of surprise. It's certainly not on the same level as Craig at the end of SF.

    There's also the scene when he's with Lupe in the casino and he dramatically orders her to "take me to him". That's a moment that's bugged me for a while as it feels over-played with the pause and quick movement.
    Really? I think Dalton in LTK is the single best performance we've ever had by an actor playing the role. He absolutely nails it throughout the entire film for me.

    His LTK performance is up there, but beaten only by his own performance in TLD. He is absolutely perfect... perfect, in TLD. His look... mannerisms... voice.. that is my minds eye image of Bond. Though I am grateful that with LTK, we got to see Bond let off of his leash, and break new ground for the character.

    Better than Sir Connery in FRWL or Craig in CR ?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I find Dalton's performance in LTK a bit hit-and-miss. The reaction to Della hinting at Bond marrying after the wedding is excellent and probably one of my favourite moments from him. On the other hand, I don't think he quite delivers in the scene when he finds Della and Felix (Della particularly). You can just sense him trying to sell it with that dramatic look of surprise. It's certainly not on the same level as Craig at the end of SF.

    There's also the scene when he's with Lupe in the casino and he dramatically orders her to "take me to him". That's a moment that's bugged me for a while as it feels over-played with the pause and quick movement.
    Really? I think Dalton in LTK is the single best performance we've ever had by an actor playing the role. He absolutely nails it throughout the entire film for me.

    His LTK performance is up there, but beaten only by his own performance in TLD. He is absolutely perfect... perfect, in TLD. His look... mannerisms... voice.. that is my minds eye image of Bond. Though I am grateful that with LTK, we got to see Bond let off of his leash, and break new ground for the character.

    Yeah that's correct for sure
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2017 Posts: 13,978
    barryt007 wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I find Dalton's performance in LTK a bit hit-and-miss. The reaction to Della hinting at Bond marrying after the wedding is excellent and probably one of my favourite moments from him. On the other hand, I don't think he quite delivers in the scene when he finds Della and Felix (Della particularly). You can just sense him trying to sell it with that dramatic look of surprise. It's certainly not on the same level as Craig at the end of SF.

    There's also the scene when he's with Lupe in the casino and he dramatically orders her to "take me to him". That's a moment that's bugged me for a while as it feels over-played with the pause and quick movement.
    Really? I think Dalton in LTK is the single best performance we've ever had by an actor playing the role. He absolutely nails it throughout the entire film for me.

    His LTK performance is up there, but beaten only by his own performance in TLD. He is absolutely perfect... perfect, in TLD. His look... mannerisms... voice.. that is my minds eye image of Bond. Though I am grateful that with LTK, we got to see Bond let off of his leash, and break new ground for the character.

    Better than Sir Connery in FRWL or Craig in CR ?

    While I view FRWL as Connery's peak, I still think Dalton was better, he is my favourite Bond afterall. As for Craig, unlike Connery, I don't believe that he sets a high benchmark, especially in CR. Craig's peak, in my opinion, was SP (though I do have gripes with the film), that is the first time that I saw anything Bondian in his performance(s). I remember watching SP on DVD, and while watching Bond walking accross the rooftops, thinking to myself "Yes, this is Bond. Why couldn't this have happened sooner."
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Wow...im shocked major,but fair play to you.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    RC7 wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Better than Connery in his early films or Craig during the torture scene? To quote Dalton himself "NO WAY!"
    Yes. Dalton in LTK surpasses every other actor who has played Bond, in every other film, because he nails the Fleming character 100%.

    Craig In CR and Connery in FRWL are a distant second.

    Opinions are opinions, but this one is actually wrong.

    Only in your eyes.

  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Wow...im shocked major,but fair play to you.

    You're shocked because someone has a different opinion to you...??
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    edited March 2017 Posts: 3,327
    barryt007 wrote: »

    Wow seriously ???? dont be silly jetsetwilly....i cant believe you just said that.

    Nothing silly about it. And you know its the truth deep down. Search your feelings...
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Wow...im shocked major,but fair play to you.

    You're shocked because someone has a different opinion to you...??
    Thats a hostile answer,try looking at my wording before you mouth off.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,327
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I find Dalton's performance in LTK a bit hit-and-miss. The reaction to Della hinting at Bond marrying after the wedding is excellent and probably one of my favourite moments from him. On the other hand, I don't think he quite delivers in the scene when he finds Della and Felix (Della particularly). You can just sense him trying to sell it with that dramatic look of surprise. It's certainly not on the same level as Craig at the end of SF.

    There's also the scene when he's with Lupe in the casino and he dramatically orders her to "take me to him". That's a moment that's bugged me for a while as it feels over-played with the pause and quick movement.
    Really? I think Dalton in LTK is the single best performance we've ever had by an actor playing the role. He absolutely nails it throughout the entire film for me.

    His LTK performance is up there, but beaten only by his own performance in TLD. He is absolutely perfect... perfect, in TLD. His look... mannerisms... voice.. that is my minds eye image of Bond. Though I am grateful that with LTK, we got to see Bond let off of his leash, and break new ground for the character.

    Better than Sir Connery in FRWL or Craig in CR ?

    While I view FRWL as Connery's peak, I still think Dalton was better, he is my favourite Bond afterall. As for Craig, unlike Connery, I don't believe that he sets a high benchmark, especially in CR. Craig's peak, in my opinion, was SP (though I do have gripes with the film), that is the first time that I saw anything Bondian in his performance(s). I remember watching SP on DVD, and while watching Bond walking accross the rooftops, thinking to myself "Yes, this is Bond. Why couldn't this have happened sooner."

    Thanks for some sanity on here Major.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I personally thought Craig looked a bit effete as he sashayed across the rooftops in the PTS. I felt this was a far cry from Connery's purposeful yet elegant stride, and a bit affected imho. That's not to take anything away from the wonderful tracking shot itself, which Mendes must be given full credit for.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Better than Connery in his early films or Craig during the torture scene? To quote Dalton himself "NO WAY!"
    Yes. Dalton in LTK surpasses every other actor who has played Bond, in every other film, because he nails the Fleming character 100%.

    Craig In CR and Connery in FRWL are a distant second.

    Opinions are opinions, but this one is actually wrong.

    Only in your eyes.

    We've all been wrong before. Don't you worry yourself.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Operation: Dick Measuring is a go, then, lads?

    All 6 are great for unique reasons, let's not get snappy.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    The most overated Bond film is Goldfinger with CR a close second.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    The most overated Bond film is Goldfinger with CR a close second.

    We got a kiss kiss bang bang disciple
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Operation: Dick Measuring is a go, then, lads?

    All 6 are great for unique reasons, let's not get snappy.

    Except for Lazenby
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    MrKissKissBangBang wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I personally thought Craig looked a bit effete as he sashayed across the rooftops in the PTS. I felt this was a far cry from Connery's purposeful yet elegant stride, and a bit affected imho. That's not to take anything away from the wonderful tracking shot itself, which Mendes must be given full credit for.

    Spot on. Perhaps the tight suit made him walk like a toad?

    Still, a minor gripe in an otherwise great sequence. I much prefer this to running through walls and rolling around on the tarmac.

    Yeah okay, does anyone else notice that his suits are way too tight in these movies and they get tighter every film
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I'll stomach them all apart from Brosnan, tribute Bond acting.

    Though I can't deny his popularity. Dalton's fans have to be commended for their support of him but his acting in LTK is all over the place plus his accent.

    I much prefer him in TLD, the rogue agent is so much better essayed by Craig.

    I'm not bothered that Dalton is supposedly the most Fleming Bond both Connery and Craig knock him into a cocked hat when it comes to confidence and swagger.

    Connery's performance in DN and especially FRWL is the most confident and assured Bond has ever been and that opening introduction in DN ozzes charisma. You are going to try and tell me that Dalton matches up to that with his intro? Both that and Craig's intro in CR are in another league.

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