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Same here. Not sure how they pulled it off, but it's made even better with how his body slumps out the open window once the car hits the rocks below.
As far as SF being overrated, I'm all for praise for any Bond film (even DAD or the '67 CR). However, when someone tells me SF is the definitive film in the franchise, I'm inclined to think it may have been awhile since they'd seen FRWL or OHMSS. My biggest peeve is still the effing gunbarrel.....which drops the film quite a few notchs down my ranking list. Yes. Five years later I still rarely have the urge to pop in SF just to watch the PTS like I do with OP, TLD and countless other Bonds.
GE, although I tend to rank it somewhere in the middle, I do feel deserves the praise it usually gets. After six years it not only re-introduced Bond to new audiences, it brought back the high level of success the series hadn't had in awhile. It also pretty much ensured it's follow ups would be successful. GoldenEye was Bond with a capital B.....even without John Barry.
GF I feel deserves it's praise as well, iconic imagery and all. Granted many here feel Bond locked up in Kentucky is a weak element, but I always thought it was great. Today, the filmmakers might overlook a location like KY for Bond reasoning it may not be exotic enough for 007. I love that it takes place there. Also his imprisonment is at his own will really. He sticking it out long enough to find out what Auric is up to with Operation Grand Slam. He's not just sitting on his arse. In addition I feel the film version improves on Fleming's original caper. GF remains my number one.
I think that was a total fluke ,just got lucky,as they did with the car jump in TMWTGG being successful in one take.
And i also love the way the body slumps out of the car window,looks pretty real.
Well it makes sense,it really was a beautiful,realistic shot.You really believe that is Locque sliding out of the window.
Dont give up your day job Dr...(actually that did make me chuckle,nice one ).
You don't have to love it. But even if you don't you gotta admit that deeming Skyfall the most overrated film of all time is ridiculously superlative.
Indeed.
The article that started this thread. Should be mandatory reading.
Glad that some people got it early on how terribly bland that film is. SF indeed is the most overhyped film of all time.
Gulp. Let's first admit that Javier Bardem has three great scenes in Skyfall, before the film decides that Silva, his magnificently creepy-camp villain, wants nothing more than to chase Judi Dench up to the Highlands and bombard Bond’s ancestral pile with a Merlin helicopter. This is his masterplan? In the plus column, it may be the best-looking Bond film ever made – high-five there for Roger Deakins – but it’s nowhere near as sure of itself, or sure where Bond should be going this decade, as evangelists on its release liked to think. Awkward in shape and thrilling only periodically, the film’s a fraught salvage job for which Sam Mendes got far too much of the credit.
Look closer and the scars of indecision are painfully obvious, especially in that third act. Ben Whishaw’s Q allows the MI6 server to be hacked by… plugging a pair of ethernet cables into Silva’s laptop? The tube crash is a shambles. The disposal of Severine, after Bond has had his wicked way with this maltreated sex slave, is brutally callous. Daniel Craig seems hardened, waxy, and humourless, with no gift for floating a weak punchline, and the uninspired script (“Got into some deep water”, anyone?) gives him a morass of them. The drift of the movie is interestingly reactionary – it’s about reverting to old certainties, like having men in charge, in a confusing new world (and a world which hated Quantum of Solace). But we’d prefer the old certainty of a Bond movie that’s light on its feet, satisfying right to the end, and puts more than the security services in brief jeopardy. It’s the biggest hit in British box office history, to which we say, with apologies: better luck next Time!
If anything SP is a more coherent movie.
That's putting it mildly, 007! ...I mean Getafix.
For me there is nothing colder than calmly letting a "helpfull chap" fall to his death, then follow up with a dry, casually emotionless and sarcastic joke. When Connery sprayed Dent with bullets or Dalton 'gave Killifer his well earned money' there was a sense of intense contempt and and anger, an emotional investment. It is the emotional detachment described earlier which defines coldness in my book.
So one could argue that Moore is in fact the coldest bastard we ever had as Bond. Quite a paradox considering the general consensus, but I am inclined to support this theory. ;)
A film where Bond is equally dangerous, angry and what not but also still knows how to wear a suit and drink the right champagne.
Now if you excuse me, I'm going to drink some Bollinger RD on that.
When Moore turns it on he's cold and heartless. More so because of his otherwise generally jovial demeanour. Connery doesn't pretend to be a nice guy, so the cold killer dimension is much less of a surprise.
When Moore wants to play it serious/ruthless I agree with you that he's in some respects the most convincing of the lot. I love the changes of tone you get in the Moore films - Rog handles it so well. Makes everything convincing and look effortless. It's largely because he was such a master of these quick tonal shifts that the films took the direction they did during his era.
I don't to be honest, really love Krabbé's Koskov. Such a slimy bastard.
You have a thing for slimey bastards? ;)
I like him too, although I understand the point people make about him being more 'light weight' and less sinister than other villains in the series.
I agree
I think it's difficult to argue against this. Although it will always be impossible to quantify, if you take away the free PR from the Queen at the Olympics and Adele I would think SF would've come in around the 700-800m mark. It really was released at the perfect time.
Have to say that it being the 50th anniversary made little difference though as I think only us here were really aware of that.
Let's not get confused with saying SF is overrated and it's plot convoluted so therefore SP is not as bad as you think.
SF has some ludicrous leaps of logic/sanity in the Silva escape scene before pulling it round in a fabulously dour and doom laden final act. SP largely holds together until the third act where it falls spectacularly apart and ends on extremely damp squib of a finale. And at least SF doesn't take outrageous liberties with Fleming (I liked the gravestone touch although wasn't that keen on the made up stuff about Bond's past such as Kincaide and him hiding down a tunnel for two days - although little did I know that these were comparatively minor gripes compared to the desecration of Fleming's grave that took place in SP).
I wonder how we will look back on the Mendes era in 20 years? Style over substance? They look fabulous and on the face of it they are deep, character driven pieces but they are so fragile that when you scratch the surface they both come tumbling down.
But there again when you look at the by the numbers tick the box excercises of the Brozza era or camp dross like DAF and TMWTGG SF and SP both have so much more going for them than those.
They both are in and around the top 10 and it will take a succession of very good Bond films to lower them into the bottom half of the table.
Yeah the one really fatal flaw in TLD. I can live with Koskov but Whitaker totally pointless and the 'showdown' at the end might be a weaker climax than SP. Luckily we've already had one of the best set pieces of the series in the previous scene so we shouldn't be too greedy.
That's a good point actually. Locque you can understand as revenge for Lisl and Luigi but poor old Sandor never hurt anyone (well Felicca I suppose but Rog barely knew her).
Couldn't he have just said 'Thanks for being such a helpful chap', pulled him back up and let the bloke go on his way suitably chastened?
Although to be fair I think he might rip Rog's tie when he's hanging on so he didnt really deserve any mercy. Rog is a reasonable man but that's crossing a line.
Koskov was a terrific villain. Not a physical threat to Bond, but a slimeball who would use anyone and everyone to achieve his goal. As for Whitaker i would have liked if he had more scenes with Bond , but i love that final showdown in his war room!