Skyfall Considered the Most Overated film of all.

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Their opinions may be overrated.
    Haha. You know what they say about opinions.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 11,425
    I'd argue GE is more overrated - at least round here - than SF. At least SF has decent production values and a very good Bond.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote: »
    I'd argue GE is more overrated - at least round here - than SF. At least SF has decent production values and a very good Bond.

    True, but weren't you one of the first to point out how shoddy the SF lodge looked?

    SF has great production values undoubtably most of the time though.

    The problem with GE is that the model work often looks too obvious. It may have been a call back to the older films but nonetheless, I agree certain moments do look a bit naff now. Kind of a shame as Derek Meddings was behind the model work.

    Nonetheless, I think most of the interior sets in GE are impressive and a step up from those in the previous film.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Probably. Doesn't even look authentically scottish. Ken Adam would have done his homework
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2017 Posts: 9,020
    It was neither me nor Getafix who resurrected this thread ;)
    The reactions to the article are interesting ;) if not very surprising.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 7,507
    'Most overrated film og all time?

    Hm. Citizen Kane comes to mind...
  • Posts: 11,189
    I can guess what @Thunderfinger's choice for most over-rated film of all time would would be!?

    "We're gonna need a bigger boat"
  • Posts: 15,117
    bondjames wrote: »
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    I'm really not sure how one defines overrated in terms of films. Some tend to capture the public imagination and resonate. These films endure in the public consciousness, sometimes nostalgically, for decades after release.

    Ben Hur and The Ten Commandments are two of these kinds of films, and I'd say Skyfall is one too. Possibly Goldfinger as well. Are they perhaps too flawed to be considered true classics? Possibly, but the bottom line is at the time of their release they caught the public eye globally and had a huge impact. There are a variety of reasons for that, some intangible.

    For some time to come, the public uses such films (sometimes through an exaggerated nostalgic lens) as a benchmark with which to rate future films in that genre. Mark my words: that will be the case with B25 as well, and particularly because it will star Craig.

    Ben Hur, The 10 Commandments and Goldfinger are classics regardless of their flaws. That comes with their enduring popularity, not their intrinsic quality. Regarding the first two as they are praised beyond technical achievement I do think they are overrated.
    Yes, perhaps, but my point is that kind of criticism can be leveled at any film which has a major impact on the public consciousness. Ultimately nothing is so perfect to withstand criticism in some way shape or form (whether it be performances, plot, visuals, sound, production design etc.).

    I believe, in time, SF will be seen as a classic like those other films. SP ironically guaranteed that imho.

    I'd say some movies withstand most if not all criticism: lots of Kubrick's, Bergman's, The Godfather I and II, The French Connection, etc.
    Again, I'd contend this is just a matter of opinion. I'm quite sure there's lot to take a part there too, although I'm certain some hold up better than others.

    Film is a visual medium too after all, and some films just knock it out of the park in that realm. Arguably SF and the two religious epics are in that category.

    When an opinion is shared over time but various prominent filmmakers, intellectuals, movie reviewers, actors, etc. Then you have something akin to consensus. Especially when the movies are source of influence for other creators.
    It's my understanding that SF (along with CR) is one of the most highly regarded films in the spy genre of the last 10 odd years.

    I'd say so too. And that it may even be an overrated Bond movie, an overrated movie and maybe even one of the most overrated movie of the last ten odd years. I say this even as someone who loved SF. But the most overrated movie of all time? Not by a wide margin.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    I live in Texas and Adele's skyfall was played on every radio station about every 10 minutes. It was insane.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 15,117
    I live in Texas and Adele's skyfall was played on every radio station about every 10 minutes. It was insane.

    More than My Heart Will Go On when Titanic was released? At least Adele's song was good!

    (And on a side note, what a contender for most overrated movie of all time Titanic is! Even if he is not nearly as praised now as it was then.)
  • jobo wrote: »
    'Most overrated film og all time?

    Hm. Citizen Kane comes to mind...

    In all honesty, you shouldn't even think that.
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    Please explain why it's "the best film og all time". I'd like to know
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    Well, to know if it was the most overrated film of all time, you'd have to see all the films, of all time. And who's got time?
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 11,425
    I live in Texas and Adele's skyfall was played on every radio station about every 10 minutes. It was insane.

    genius move getting adele on board. I assume Mendes must have played a significant part in that, for which he deserves a lot of credit.

    She is exactly the kind of mainstream but talented artist that suits Bond. There have been so many misfiring title tracks in the last few decades - it was great to have one that really worked. Chris Cornell would be the only other one if put close from the last few years.

    Adele and Bond were an obvious and turns out perfect match. Shame Newman wasn't able to rise to the occasion and properly integrate the song into the soundtrack.

    Any way, Adele accounts for a significant chunk of the SF BO.

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Obviously Skyfall isn't the most overrated film of all time, even though I consider it to be pretty overrated anyway.
    But one can't accuse the writer of the article he doesn't know his cinema while he clearly makes more than a few interesting points about other films as well. He doesn't shout a statement and leaves it there either, he gives reasonable arguments for his choices.
    I like Videodrome and Amarcord but he does have a point about them being a tad overrated compared to the alternative he provides.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 386
    I'm interested in the durability of the Mendes pair. To me, they don't reward repeat viewings like most other Bond entries.

    Style over substance is the perfect description IMO.

    That said, I thoroughly enjoyed both in the cinema.

    I can only conclude Mendes is an alluring stylist with an impeccable visual sense but not much else.

    I also think this explains the excellent box office but sliding critical appraisal.
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    I'm interested in the durability of the Mendes pair. To me, they don't reward repeat viewings like most other Bond entries.

    Style over substance is the perfect description IMO.

    That said, I thoroughly enjoyed both in the cinema.

    I can only conclude Mendes is an alluring stylist with an impeccable visual sense but not much else.

    I also think this explains the excellent box office but sliding critical appraisal.

    Yes it's the lack of rewatchability that makes me think SF and SP won't stand the test of time. For all the claims that they're like chalk and cheese they're really remarkably similar. Personal motivations, often incoherent storytelling, emphasis on 'character/theme' lots of stylish, moody cinematography, weak action, and both very, very long. These types of films can become 'classics' but I do think their length will work against them. They just drag after a couple of viewings without the wit or joy or the best films in the series to keep them afloat.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Obviously Skyfall isn't the most overrated film of all time, even though I consider it to be pretty overrated anyway.
    But one can't accuse the writer of the article he doesn't know his cinema while he clearly makes more than a few interesting points about other films as well. He doesn't shout a statement and leaves it there either, he gives reasonable arguments for his choices.
    I like Videodrome and Amarcord but he does have a point about them being a tad overrated compared to the alternative he provides.

    He might know cinema but I daresay that his knowledge is clouded by his subjectivity. And his short memory, since he makes that ludicrous claim. Had he said Skyfall was an overrated movie, Bond movie, even the most overrated Bond movie, fine. It is debatable but yes one can make valid points about it. But when you claim a movie is the most overrated of all time then you better back it up.
  • Posts: 11,425
    When you compile a list like this you're basically being asked to produce click bait for the newspaper. Needs to be taken with a bit of a pinch of salt.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    When you compile a list like this you're basically being asked to produce click bait for the newspaper. Needs to be taken with a bit of a pinch of salt.

    Maybe but that does not change anything to the ridiculous claim in itself. And that's his name on the article.
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    Well the piece was written a while ago when SF was still 'big' and at the time this was a justifiable claim perhaps. Probably today no one would write this piece becuase few are claiming SF is the best Bond ever.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I can guess what @Thunderfinger's choice for most over-rated film of all time would would be!?

    "We're gonna need a bigger boat"

    What?
  • Posts: 15,117
    Getafix wrote: »
    Well the piece was written a while ago when SF was still 'big' and at the time this was a justifiable claim perhaps. Probably today no one would write this piece becuase few are claiming SF is the best Bond ever.

    It was even less a justifiable claim then because it was far too fresh.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    jobo wrote: »
    Please explain why it's "the best film og all time". I'd like to know

    It isn't.

    What it did do was almost single handedly re-invent film making techniques. One critic said it was like they had never seen a film before, so forward thinking and unique was it's cinematography and camera work.

    Now, those techniques have been done to death, and we are left with a film that has a story which doesn't always involve the viewer and more than a couple of hammy performances.

    CK has to be remembered as an iconic, game changing film with some great quotable dialogue, but there are greater films out there.
  • edited September 2017 Posts: 1,162
    jobo wrote: »
    Please explain why it's "the best film og all time". I'd like to know

    Take a juxtaposing black and white composition that left Fritz Lang in awe combined with a story that could just as well have been written tomorrow. All this single handed created by a guy that was doing his first movie (!) while at the same time excelling in playing a main role that practically lived through the mother of all character arcs ( and a real one at that not the imagined by some in SF). I maybe wouldn't go that far to call it the best movie of all times since I'm really not sure to which movie I should give that title anyway, but I always feel humbled in the extreme when I watch it.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Exactly Citizen Kane was an incredible endeavour. Taking all personal taste out of the equation, CK is next to the first Godfather one of the absolute best American films ever.
  • Posts: 11,189
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I can guess what @Thunderfinger's choice for most over-rated film of all time would would be!?

    "We're gonna need a bigger boat"

    What?


  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Oh, right. Yes, that is perhaps one of them.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Yeah I still don't see the hype with Skyfall. I have rewatched it about ten times now.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Well the piece was written a while ago when SF was still 'big' and at the time this was a justifiable claim perhaps. Probably today no one would write this piece becuase few are claiming SF is the best Bond ever.
    Even being my favorite Bond, I agree that it is not the best Bond when taking everything into consideration from a critical standpoint.
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