Pierce Brosnan admits he can't bear to watch himself as Bond

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  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Perhaps we can just agree that you should avoid this thread? Would that be okay with you? And I'll happily volunteer to avoid you - no invitation necessary.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Charmed as I am to have come across you, of course.



  • Oh, so all it's all right for YOU to be insulting and provacative, but no one else has that right? I don't think so. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Enjoy the sauce!
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    You speak of dead horses, but putting your progressively more offensive comments to one side, what exactly have you added by returning to this thread?

    You initially claimed you were 'offended' by the thread title, which it turns out I copied and pasted from the MI6 news page.

    Then you started an unconvincing argument that Brosnan's shortcomings had nothing to do with his own performance but were entirely down the machinations of those evil geniuses at EON who were just hell bent on undermining their lead actor (which let's face it, isn't really very convincing is it?)

    And finally you've resorted to hurling insults.

    Now kindly point out where exactly in this thread have I been 'insulting' to any one, including Brosnan?

    So what exactly is your point and why do you insist on returning here? You clearly have nothing to say other than to persist in your wind up routine.

  • edited April 2014 Posts: 3,566
    I insist on returning here because you insist on continuing to lie. You did not copy & paste the MI6 title -- you added the gratuitous insult that Brosnan "can't bear to watch himself" as Bond. Nowhere is that spin on this topic found except here, by your insertion. You further misrepresent my own point: that the shortcomings of Brosnan's FILMS (not his own performance, but the overall direction of the films in which he is the actor paid to portray James Bond) were beyond his ability to effect. They were the provinces of those films' producers. You want me to leave you alone? Stop misrepresenting the truth, and stop posting gratuitous insults to an actor whose only sin is that you don't like his portrayal of James Bond.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited April 2014 Posts: 12,480
    But you know, Getafix, you haunt all the other threads with the same negative statements on Brosnan everywhere. Beatles can post here, as you can post anywhere. Your last sentence - "So what exactly is your point and why do you insist on returning here? You clearly have nothing to say other than to persist in your wind up routine." can definitely be applied to you regarding other threads, too.

    So basically, we cannot change each others' opinions probably most of the time, and sometimes we are not trying to do that, we just like to state our opinion - even when it is the same opinion again and again. I will continue to write positively about Brosnan, you will continually to write negatively about him. But you do put a spin on him that is at times (not always), unfair - which is what Beatles has been pointing out.
  • Posts: 11,425
    @4EverBonded you never fail to be polite and courteous and I respect your comments and relentless possitivity, but in all honesty have I said anything remotely insulting here on this thread? I'm being accused of being 'insulting', 'stupid' and now a 'liar'. Look back through the comments and the discussion is 100 per cent polite and civilised until the moment this guy wades in and starts laying on the condescension and mock outrage.

    The first page consists almost entirely of me and BAIN talking about what a great guy Brosnan seems to be!

    I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but I won't just be shouted down by someone who thinks they have the right to dictate what is and is not open for discussion.

  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    I insist on returning here because you insist on continuing to lie. You did not copy & paste the MI6 title -- you added the gratuitous insult that Brosnan "can't bear to watch himself" as Bond. Nowhere is that spin on this topic found except here, by your insertion. You further misrepresent my own point: that the shortcomings of Brosnan's FILMS (not his own performance, but the overall direction of the films in which he is the actor paid to portray James Bond) were beyond his ability to effect. They were the provinces of those films' producers. You want me to leave you alone? Stop misrepresenting the truth, and stop posting gratuitous insults to an actor whose only sin is that you don't like his portrayal of James Bond.

    Yes, I added the single word 'bear'. I already told you this. This makes me a 'liar'? Once again, have you even read the article? Sorry to assume your tone of patronising condescension, but are you really as miopic as you make out?

    The 'spin' as you put it, or to use a less loaded term, 'angle', is in the article itself, which as I already pointed has the title: Pierce Brosnan: 'I was never good enough as Bond'. Would that have been less offensive to you?

    And why do you insist in taking personal offence at my frankly mild observations on an interview with Brosnan in which he himself raises doubts about his own performance? What are these alleged gratuitous insults you keep on accusing me of?

    Put simply, what on earth are you going on about?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited April 2014 Posts: 12,480
    RC7 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    Seriously? Brosnan makes some frank and enlightening comments about his time as Bond and you think it's 'all just words'... ?

    It was posted on the MI6 news pages, so I am clearly not the only one who thought it was worthy of comment.

    If this article and interview is not worthy of discussion on this site, what is?

    It was already discussed in a separate thread a little while back, you were a bit late to the party. I'm happy to discuss anything, but I think a lot of people felt your assumptions were a little loaded, such that his comments were some kind of validation of your opinion, which of course is fine. As I stated above, a lot of us happen to buy Brozzer as Bond so his comments aren't of particular relevance. I understand his position, I really do, but if you're assuming this is some kind of golden egg of propaganda that can be used to sully the Brosnan Bond then I think you're mistaken. Art is subjective and, again as I stated above, some artists despise the work which makes them popular. That's life.

    Just reading through previous posts and this rather nails it, I think.

    Getafix, there is only so much to say about such an article. You seem intent on looking at Brosnan's comments as "frank," "enlightening" and are putting heavy meaning into these particular statements. You are treating it like a serious confession, a man full of regret. Many of us do not share your interpretation of his statements. Even for those of us who feel he may honestly believe that he did not "nail" the role, his feeling that does not diminish our appreciation of his Bond. Many artists do not like to watch their finished work. And I do not feel that he is losing sleep over this, so full of regrets about his acting performance as Bond. I just do not think it carries that much weight.

    I think - not that I can read minds at all - that Beatles may have gotten fed up with your specific highly dramatic and negative tone, the spin you are putting in this particular thread. I don't feel this needs its own thread even, but okay, here it is. You just seem to be rather overly dramatic about these, what ... "serious confessions" or something like that, by Brosnan. A lot of us simply do not feel that way, do not think this is a huge "reveal" by Brosnan of his shortcomings or the like. You are jumping on it like you just found the Ark of the Covenant. It just feels very ... I don't know ... tabloid, the way you are treating it. And that kind treatment can feel insulting, especially after you have made your point many times already.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Not sure when and where
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  • Posts: 19,339
    Thats an interesting photo,i have never seen that one before.
    Pierce looks older so i would think it might be around the time of CR ?

    Good find @Germanlady !!
  • Posts: 6,601
    Maybe its THE Bafta event, where they first talked about it.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Ah that would make sense !
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Someone needs to caption it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Pierce: "So, when they say they want to scratch your balls, Daniel ... make sure it's the script their talking about. I learned the hard way."

    Dan: "Gotcha, Pierce. Won't forget that piece of advice in a hurry."
  • Posts: 11,189
    :))
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    "If it all goes wrong ill give you the numbers of Mr Pegg and Mr Wright. They take good care of us lot".
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2014 Posts: 13,978
    BAIN123 wrote:
    "If it all goes wrong ill give you the numbers of Mr Pegg and Mr Wright. They take good care of us ex-Bonds.

    ;)
  • Posts: 19,339
    "Look Dan,i'll offer you £5000 and a signed Die Another Day DVD if you let me play Bond in Casino Royale"....
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    "I'm just interested Pierce, why did YOU decide to take the role of Bond? Was it for simply for the money"

    "No...for me".
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Ah, we now have hijacked this thread into a new caption thread.
    Sorry, Getafix. I couldn't resist with that nice photo and BAIN123's suggestion. ;)
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Ah, we now have hijacked this thread into a new caption thread.
    Sorry, Getafix. I couldn't resist with that nice photo and BAIN123's suggestion. ;)

    Absolutely no need to apologise - it was a relief to see no more attack posts from Earmuffs. Far from hijacking it, GL has returned the thread more to the light hearted tone in which it started off, with @BAIN123 and I discussing what a great guy Pierce is! This is exactly the spirit in which the thread started out before Earmuffs turned it into a bun fight (read the early posts, if you don't believe me). Don't assume I enjoy these tedious 'arguments' with people like Earmuffs any more than you do. They're just utterly unnecesary.

    And for once I'm glad to see GL! Nice photo - as usual
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Double post
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    Pierce like so many of his collegues does not watch his own movies because he can find fault with his performance, if he did not he would be a strange person within the acting world.

    No news for me.

    Ask the same question to Craig and you get a similar answer. If not he would be a bit of a dick.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 12,837
    actonsteve wrote:
    But he just isn't an actor

    Yeah he is. He trained as an actor and he acts for a living. If you think he's a bad actor fair enough, your opinion and all that, but he is an actor.
  • Posts: 6,396
    actonsteve wrote:
    But he just isn't an actor

    Yeah he is. He trained as an actor and he acts for a living. If you think he's a bad actor fair enough (personally I think he was a pretty good actor when he was Bond and has become a great one since he left) but I don't think it makes sense saying he isn't an actor.

    This.

    I'm no fan of his as Bond, but Brosnan has improved immensely in the last ten years or so. He's turned in some terrific performances (The Matator and All You Need Is Love being the highlights).

    I also thought he was great in The Thomas Crown Affair, which he made during his Bond tenure.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    actonsteve wrote:
    But he just isn't an actor

    Yeah he is. He trained as an actor and he acts for a living. If you think he's a bad actor fair enough (personally I think he was a pretty good actor when he was Bond and has become a great one since he left) but I don't think it makes sense saying he isn't an actor.

    This.

    I'm no fan of his as Bond, but Brosnan has improved immensely in the last ten years or so. He's turned in some terrific performances (The Matator and All You Need Is Love being the highlights).

    I also thought he was great in The Thomas Crown Affair, which he made during his Bond tenure.

    He might not have been classically trained but he's still an actor, I think it's fair to say. You can argue about whether how good he is, but that's a different issue.

    Tailor of Panama is one of his best performances - I think it came out in or around the time of TND. He's not bad in the Ghost Writer either.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 6,396
    Getafix wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    But he just isn't an actor

    Yeah he is. He trained as an actor and he acts for a living. If you think he's a bad actor fair enough (personally I think he was a pretty good actor when he was Bond and has become a great one since he left) but I don't think it makes sense saying he isn't an actor.

    This.

    I'm no fan of his as Bond, but Brosnan has improved immensely in the last ten years or so. He's turned in some terrific performances (The Matator and All You Need Is Love being the highlights).

    I also thought he was great in The Thomas Crown Affair, which he made during his Bond tenure.

    He might not have been classically trained but he's still an actor, I think it's fair to say. You can argue about whether how good he is, but that's a different issue.

    Tailor of Panama is one of his best performances - I think it came out in or around the time of TND. He's not bad in the Ghost Writer either.

    The Ghost Writer (still not sure why it was just called The Ghost here in the UK) is a very fine film indeed.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    But he just isn't an actor

    Yeah he is. He trained as an actor and he acts for a living. If you think he's a bad actor fair enough (personally I think he was a pretty good actor when he was Bond and has become a great one since he left) but I don't think it makes sense saying he isn't an actor.

    This.

    I'm no fan of his as Bond, but Brosnan has improved immensely in the last ten years or so. He's turned in some terrific performances (The Matator and All You Need Is Love being the highlights).

    I also thought he was great in The Thomas Crown Affair, which he made during his Bond tenure.

    He might not have been classically trained but he's still an actor, I think it's fair to say. You can argue about whether how good he is, but that's a different issue.

    Tailor of Panama is one of his best performances - I think it came out in or around the time of TND. He's not bad in the Ghost Writer either.

    The Ghost Writer (still not sure why it was just called The Ghost here in the UK) is a very fine film indeed.

    A really good movie. Just a shame about Polanski's dodgy past. One half of me thinks what a loss it would be if he couldn't work and the other thinks he should have been locked up years ago. Or at least faced trial and some kind of retribution. Pretty hideous when you actually think about it.

    Feel the same about Woody Allen, although perhaps not quite on the same level of awfulness in terms of what he's accused of.
  • Posts: 6,396
    Getafix wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    actonsteve wrote:
    But he just isn't an actor

    Yeah he is. He trained as an actor and he acts for a living. If you think he's a bad actor fair enough (personally I think he was a pretty good actor when he was Bond and has become a great one since he left) but I don't think it makes sense saying he isn't an actor.

    This.

    I'm no fan of his as Bond, but Brosnan has improved immensely in the last ten years or so. He's turned in some terrific performances (The Matator and All You Need Is Love being the highlights).

    I also thought he was great in The Thomas Crown Affair, which he made during his Bond tenure.

    He might not have been classically trained but he's still an actor, I think it's fair to say. You can argue about whether how good he is, but that's a different issue.

    Tailor of Panama is one of his best performances - I think it came out in or around the time of TND. He's not bad in the Ghost Writer either.

    The Ghost Writer (still not sure why it was just called The Ghost here in the UK) is a very fine film indeed.

    A really good movie. Just a shame about Polanski's dodgy past. One half of me thinks what a loss it would be if he couldn't work and the other thinks he should have been locked up years ago. Or at least faced trial and some kind of retribution. Pretty hideous when you actually think about it.

    Always reminds me of Steve Martin's Oscar joke a few years ago:

    "Roman Polanski is here tonight.......get him!"

    I know I shouldn't really laugh but it was funny.
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