No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    cwl007 wrote: »
    Was anyone else shouting The Living Daylights at The Price Of Wales on the screen when Ralph Fiennes asked him if he'd visited a Bond set before and he replied he couldn't remember. How dare you forget!! (Or maybe he didn't want to get into that conversation if you get my meaning)

    Could be uncomfortable for him, that is what I am thinking as well.

    It's likely due to the fact that he's busy and has to meet and greet different people daily throughout his life. Visiting a film set 33 years ago for the Prince of Wales must feel like another lifetime ago. I'm not surprised he can't remember it.

    Meanwhile, according to her Instagram Ana De Armas recently went back to (the real) Cuba before beginning work on a new film in Los Angeles

    I assume she's wrapped on Bond 25. Which further hints that Lynch is the female lead.

    Two things!

    1) Craig told Prince Charles that they shoot based on the actors schedules. They shoot out of order.. Filming ends in October. Ana is a much more high profile actress than Lynch. My guess is that Madeline dies, Lynch is an MI6 agent who is shadowing Bond, a total hard ass if you will.

    Ana is the main Bond girl. It just seems odd that we would have Madeline, Lynch and Ana be his love interests.. He “loved” Madeline at the end of spectre and left his career for her like Vesper.


    2) I just saw captain marvel and Lynch would ruin the entire film for me if she was they main girl... Not even remotely attractive. Craig leaves the other girls for her???

    I don't think you're going to get traditional 'love interests' in this film for numerous reasons. Including the fact that Madeleine is returning, the new girls are 20 years younger and the MeToo movement.

    Also, i have to admit that Lynch was given a dodgy look in Captain Marvel. That wig and jumpsuit were not great. but she gives a great dramatic performance.

    She is certainly the nominal lead. Ana is either a 'bad girl' or a Severine type.

    I wouldn't go as far to say that Lashana is unattractive and her presence would ruin the film. Seems a bit strong.

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    I disagree.. Looks like a man to me.

    Nothing against black women but come on... Ana is IMO the hottest Bond girl ever. I just don’t see her and Craig ending his series with her..

    I’m hoping she’s a double agent and bad. I think either her or Ana are secretly bad.

    I definitely don't see Bond having a relationship with her. It's pretty obvious Nomi will be the strong masculine #MeToo female character of the movie, someone who doesn't need to fell into Bond's arms. Just look at her... Jessica Chastain will be proud. Beside that, another MI6 new character written to turn bad like Denbigh? I don't know...
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 11,425
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.
    I think Nomi/Lushana is going to be involved in some full on fight scenes. She looks like she can take care of herself in a tight corner and appears super fit. Hasn't she mentioned some fight training of some sort? I just hope she also has a bit of warmth/wit about her and isn't just a stereotypical kick ass character.

    Plenty of opportunities to get things wrong but hopefully Cary with PWB's writing will keep it light and tight.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.

    When people first heard Lupita's name being mentioned, she got similar comments saying she wasn't attractive enough, etc.

    i say people shouldn't write off Lynch merely because they aren't physically attracted to her. Clealy she impressed Barbara Broccoli, Cary Fukunaga and Daniel Craig enough to get the gig. They are three very difficult individuals to please.

    Personally, I think she looks cool.

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    She is physically imposing but not conventionally pretty (unlike for example Harris). Hopefully she will just be really good in her role.
  • PavloPavlo Ukraine
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    Getafix wrote: »
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.
    I think Nomi/Lushana is going to be involved in some full on fight scenes. She looks like she can take care of herself in a tight corner and appears super fit. Hasn't she mentioned some fight training of some sort? I just hope she also has a bit of warmth/wit about her and isn't just a stereotypical kick ass character.

    Plenty of opportunities to get things wrong but hopefully Cary with PWB's writing will keep it light and tight.

    What I like about Cary and PWB that they are tremendeously talented screenwriters who deal with characters very well. Their works are famous for its complex, multi-layered characters, as for example character of Idris Elba in "Beasts of No Nation" (maybe the best role in Idris' carreer), particularly all key characters in "Maniac", Eve and Villanelle from "Killing Eve" and Fleabag from "Fleabag". Characters are in good hands. And Cary is also a great master of story, plot and he is probably main author of story and plot for Bond 25.
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 12,521
    I’m excited to see more of Ana, whenever that is. A really great choice for a Bond girl, and probably the second-most exciting cast announcement for me after Jeffrey Wright. I get the feeling she’ll probably have a minor role. Wasn’t it confirmed with the intimacy coordinator news that Bond will bed Ana’s character? I imagine Ana will be a somewhat minor Bond girl and Lashana will play some kind of field agent with a non-sexual relationship with Bond.
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    Isn't the basic plot P&W's?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    She is physically imposing but not conventionally pretty (unlike for example Harris). Hopefully she will just be really good in her role.

    I don't think she's physically imposing at all. Not sure how you came up with that one.

    If Lashana nails the role, there is always the chance they will spin-off her character. Especially is she is the new 007.

    Any day now Universal are expected to announce a streaming network, maybe a flagship show named "007" and staring Lynch would be a great prospect.
  • PavloPavlo Ukraine
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Isn't the basic plot P&W's?

    Yes, but according to different rumours Cary worked with them from September to January (Barbara said that Cary, P&W are main writers and PWB and S. Burns were added to polish th script) and basic screenplay war rewritten significantly after Cary entering project.
  • PavloPavlo Ukraine
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    Interesting that Cary proposed himself to producers in 2016, but they had chosen Danny Boyle. I think he proposed himself not only because of director's chair, maybe he had his own ideas for Bond 25. And he said that he really wanted to work with such franchise.
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 5,767
    Getafix wrote: »
    Pavlo wrote: »

    There's interesting B25 tidbits in there which is why I posted it here. Boyle makes the issue sound larger than casting
    He says not more than he said already before. He was with Hodge, Eon didn´t like the direction the two were working toward.



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    I only now notice she´s got eyebrows like Connery.
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 3,333
    Getafix wrote: »
    She is physically imposing but not conventionally pretty (unlike for example Harris). Hopefully she will just be really good in her role.

    I don't think she's physically imposing at all. Not sure how you came up with that one.

    If Lashana nails the role, there is always the chance they will spin-off her character. Especially is she is the new 007.

    Any day now Universal are expected to announce a streaming network, maybe a flagship show named "007" and staring Lynch would be a great prospect.
    Isn't the Universal connection only for a one-picture deal? Not that I want to entertain your potty idea of Lashana Lynch as an alternative 007 starring in her own TV spin-off. The only thing missing from your hunch is that you also think she'll be nominated for an Academy Award for her portrayal as Nomi. But as they say, keep 'em coming.
  • tqbtqb
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    Why are these forums plagued with negativity all the time?
  • edited June 2019 Posts: 6,710
    Uncanny.

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    Both look nice, though :)
  • duke_togoduke_togo france
    edited June 2019 Posts: 138
    Getafix wrote: »
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.

    When people first heard Lupita's name being mentioned, she got similar comments saying she wasn't attractive enough, etc.

    i say people shouldn't write off Lynch merely because they aren't physically attracted to her. Clealy she impressed Barbara Broccoli, Cary Fukunaga and Daniel Craig enough to get the gig. They are three very difficult individuals to please.

    Personally, I think she looks cool.


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    i think it's a good thing : less bimbos and more talented actresses ! no more denise richards...
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Not much more than a voyeur, are you?

    Look, Eon, I know surveillance is a fact of life. It's how you use the information that concerns me, and who is using it.

    "This is what we need to do to keep the crew from playing video games when they're supposed to be doing their job."
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    duke_togo wrote: »
    i think it's a good thing : less bimbos and more talented actresses ! no more denise richards...
    Right, because the last 20 years were plastered with bimbos and Denise Richardses. Not to Mention the 20 years before that….

  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    duke_togo wrote: »
    i think it's a good thing : less bimbos and more talented actresses ! no more denise richards...
    Right, because the last 20 years were plastered with bimbos and Denise Richardses. Not to Mention the 20 years before that….


    I’m paying to see boobs and hot girls. I’m not paying to see some feminist bs. I hope they do the right thing and not have Lynch be the main Bond girl.

    Might as well add Idris Elba as Bonds gay non gender interracial lover. LOL.
  • RC7RC7
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    It seems pretty clear to me that Lynch will have a significantly larger role in this movie than De Armas - so, yes, ‘main’ girl so to speak. When they announced PWB’s involvement I’m pretty sure the catalyst was this role and that it’s where she’s done a lot of her work. Reading between the lines Nomi reeks of the type of character that can more often than not come across as a sort of virtuous, androgynous droid that hits all the right moral beats. Thankfully PWB would never do this. I hope she’s gone all out and made her an even bigger shagger than Bond.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    duke_togo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.

    When people first heard Lupita's name being mentioned, she got similar comments saying she wasn't attractive enough, etc.

    i say people shouldn't write off Lynch merely because they aren't physically attracted to her. Clealy she impressed Barbara Broccoli, Cary Fukunaga and Daniel Craig enough to get the gig. They are three very difficult individuals to please.

    Personally, I think she looks cool.


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    i think it's a good thing : less bimbos and more talented actresses ! no more denise richards...

    Agreed!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,252
    echo wrote: »
    duke_togo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.

    When people first heard Lupita's name being mentioned, she got similar comments saying she wasn't attractive enough, etc.

    i say people shouldn't write off Lynch merely because they aren't physically attracted to her. Clealy she impressed Barbara Broccoli, Cary Fukunaga and Daniel Craig enough to get the gig. They are three very difficult individuals to please.

    Personally, I think she looks cool.


    DlVS8SQW0AAx0YL.jpg

    i think it's a good thing : less bimbos and more talented actresses ! no more denise richards...

    Agreed!

    But there's no reason we can't have both.
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    duke_togo wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    A shame Lupita wasn't interested.

    When people first heard Lupita's name being mentioned, she got similar comments saying she wasn't attractive enough, etc.

    i say people shouldn't write off Lynch merely because they aren't physically attracted to her. Clealy she impressed Barbara Broccoli, Cary Fukunaga and Daniel Craig enough to get the gig. They are three very difficult individuals to please.

    Personally, I think she looks cool.


    DlVS8SQW0AAx0YL.jpg

    i think it's a good thing : less bimbos and more talented actresses ! no more denise richards...

    Agreed!

    But there's no reason we can't have both.

    And that's what Ana de Armas is for, obviously. Lovely, sure, but not the kind of actress that's going to get Oscars for a drama film.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited June 2019 Posts: 488
    It's funny to see how much speculation there is for something that's already known.

    The intimacy coach is hired for scenes between Craig and de Armas. It means that it's her character who has an affair with Bond, not Lynch's, and that she's the main James Bond girl.

    Regarding "PC" and #metoo, and using them as curse words, thanks God we're not having the '60s version of Moneypenny anymore in our times. The character made sense in the days Lois Maxwell played her. As the secretary to the head of MI6, she was supposed to have a pristine life, and flings with agents were out of the question if she wanted to keep her job. Hence the verbal banter, because she couldn't push for more.
    When they carried on with a somewhat similar take in the Brosnan days (and it wasn't Samantha Bond's fault), all this social and moral pressure had vanished, and Moneypenny became more or less the comic relief, the woman who pushed so hard that she would never get a real shot at Bond. They had nothing otherwise to do with her in Die Another Day, until the final scene, and it was the not-so-funny saucy joke from the Roger Moore days. The innuendos in her scenes with Bond was definitely one of the elements that had to go with the reboots, as something that started out as colourful characterization was by DAD just a checkmark the writers would cross.

    Mendes and the screenwriters did a great job to reestablish Moneypenny in the Craig films. She's not just a minor employee who's smarter than she looks, she's a former field agent who took a desk job due to PTSD, and the trauma she shares with Bond is one of the reasons for which they don't hook up, but they still get along well and even flirt. The relationship rings much truer than in the eighties and nineties.
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    @HildebrandRarity, I wouldn´t go that Deep in the Analysis of Harris´ MP, but I basically agree that the relationship with Bond rings much truer than in the 80s and 90s. All the more so am I confused About what you say About the 60s MP, because IMO that relationship is nearly identical with the current one.
    Re: Samantha Bond: One of her first dialogues included equalling Bond´s behaviour as sexual harrassment. In retrospect I find that as criminal as the rumor of oh so many bimbos in Bond films.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited June 2019 Posts: 488
    Moneypenny is a composite of two different characters from the novels. There's the stern Miss Moneypenny who's the authoritarian and smart secretary to M, and Loelia Ponsonby, a secretary to the 00 section that Bond shares with a couple of agents. Fleming Bond considers a few times marrying her when he retires, but she gets tired of the delays and leaves the section to marry some other guy instead.

    In the Connery and Lazenby days, if an important female employee had a fling or even a one night stand with an agent, it would have been enough to make her lose her job, given the imperatives of "morality" in those days in secret services. Either she could make the relationship official or she had to let it go. That was the moral background then. Of course, the writers, Connery and Maxwell built on that to turn it into some good comedy, where Moneypenny would make some double entendres to Bond, who would ignore some of them or quietly crush down her hopes, but she was still bound to some strict rules, especially given her duties. Bond could have sex with a lot of different women, and had no particular reason to consider Moneypenny, but Moneypenny was also aware deep down herself that their relationship was impossible. That's also what doesn't make the scenes too cruel to her. She (and the audience in those days) knows that she can't do it.

    In the Moore days, the interplay was more of two old friends making slightly lewd jokes at each other, without much of a real sexual tension, especially as Moore and Maxwell were in very good terms.

    When Maxwell left and Caroline Bliss then Samantha Bond stepped in, the moral values in society had evolved. It wouldn't have been shocking if an attractive secretary had casually dated Bond. Yet, they turned first Moneypenny into a young innocent, then into a more assertive but ultimately starry-eyed character. And I think that it made Moneypenny solely a comic relief character, who is mostly the butt of the joke. You can't have a character with the prude mentality of sixties Moneypenny two, three or four decades later.

    That's why the reinvention of Moneypenny in Skyfall was very smart. There's a mutual attraction with Bond (as shown in the shaving scene), but she nearly killed him in Istanbul, even if it wasn't her fault, and they would have a hard time trying to forget it, so they prefer to be just friends. In Spectre, she can mention that she actually has a boyfriend, and it isn't shocking at all to us. (That said, she wasn't necessary for the third act of this film) The dynamics between Bond and Moneypenny are indeed quite close to the early days, the two characters just have completely new reasons to be this way.
    And that's what a successful reboot does. It doesn't take things for granted, but it knows what to keep and what to change to recreate something, in that case the witty interplay between Bond and the woman who ultimately knows him the best.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited June 2019 Posts: 2,541
    Wow that is a great analysis of MP in skyfall I agree wholeheartedly. That is how I felt about our current MP @HildebrandRarity
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