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Argh, can't decide which one to pick.
I do think the better films are the ones that use more of Fleming, which is why the '80s Bonds far surpass the '70s Bonds for me.
At the same time, I don't think the Fleming books should be slavishly filmed. How would you do the Garden of Death? Or a true adaptation of FAVTAK? And then there's the film version of GF, which I think is better than the novel.
I also think that Bond movies work best when he stays in Europe. Take TLD--great Flemingesque opening and great use of Vienna, but when he heads to Afghanistan, the film loses something. Or OP--it's no coincidence that the best moments are in Germany.
Diversions to Asia are usually a mistake. It was novel for YOLT, but every visit since then has been worse than the one before. Ditto America. It just doesn't feel like a Bond film if he spends a lot of time there.
Disagree I think some of the best locations have been Asia. Udaipur in OP was just breathtaking and a good part of the story ie Octopussy's and the Monsoon Palace. Afghanistan was equally good exotic but with a dangerous edge. The Thai islands in TMWTGG were classic Bond territory and even Vietnam wasnt too painful in TND,
I love Bonds incursions into Latin America as well.
I never said I didn’t like him. He did well because he’s a great actor, but for me he is not Bond, he’s Dalton. It’s difficult to put into words but there’s something about his movies that’s just not quite right. Don’t get me wrong, they’re great movies, but they just don’t feel like Bond movies. I think it’s like an association problem as because when I see pictures of Sean or Roger or Pierce, I see James Bond, but when I see photos of Tim, he’s just Tim to me. He never convinced me he was Bond I guess, kind’a like what I’ve been struggling with over Craig because he just doesn’t quite look right for the part IMO.
That's funny, to because to me he is Bond - the closest to my perception having read and re-read the books. An TLD is classic Bond.
Group 3: The conservative Bond fans
These fans might have read Fleming, but they regard the books and movies to be two different things.
Group 5: The popcorn fans
They think that a Bond movie is supposed to be a popcorn movie with escapism and Connery, Moore or Brosnan as Bond. Bond is supposed to be played by a star with charisma and charm. Films like GF, TSWLM, OP, GE
and I like Moore, Connery , Craig and Dalton in the role.
8. Daltonconneryskyfallus fan. Connery is god. Dalton would have been god given two more films and dc might give us the film we've been waiting for since goldeneye.
Love this thread idea. Makes me want to fight off some lesbian vampires.
I thought I would be the first 3 - 5 person, but SharkBait beat me to it! I think 3 and 5 go hand in hand in the sense that they celebrate the cinema Bond. To me, the cinematic Bond was something different from the books from the very beginning. I believe the signature EON touch was established in DN, and only built upon from there, faithfully staying true to this 'essence' all the way through to TLD. (though I would say it's still there to an extent in LTK).
Cubby Broccoli, Harry Saltzman, Terrence Young, Barry, Maurice Binder, Peter Hunt, Richard Maibaum etc...all came from a certain generation that was very much of Flemings. Therefore I think they understood the culture that the Bond character came from. Fleming and film-makers of that era were thus intertwined.
I do certainly care for the books. I just haven't gotten around to reading them all yet! But it will sure be a treat. Maybe I'll move into the #2 group who knows...I doubt though I'll be a #1 purist. I just have too much fun with films like DAF, OP, and YOLT
It marked the end of Moore nonsense
After that, Dalton came in and James Bond became serious again
Not what I asked. I like Dalton massively. I'm asking this in the context of the group descriptions at the top of this thread.
Moore wasn't my favorite Bond to play the part for sure, but the seven films he did were an interesting time for the series, I suppose when he did depart in 1986 it was an end of an era so to speak. Can't see the top of the thread from here either, only the top of page four. I think the 'golden era' if you put it like that, ended in the mid 1960s for me once Connery got tired of the role, I suppose it depends on one's perspectives or age even
Because some people might view Moonraker as the end of an era and FYEO as the start of an era that ended in DAD? It's horses for courses I guess :)
I agree that DN-LTK is the classic era. It's the Cubby Broccoli era. There feels like a true compendium there. LTK still has the connection from the old crew: Broccoli, John Glen, Maurice Binder, Richard Maibaum, and the return of David Hedison was a nice touch. On the contrary though, the craftsmanship, writing and direction seemed to take a turn for the worse with LTK. I think this old EON crew had run out of steam, and it's probably good that they didn't make anymore (i.e. Bond 17 with Dalton in '91 in my minds eye would have felt extremely tired). TLD to me is the last 'great' Bond film, but LTK is the closing chapter on the original EON era of Bond films.
GE was done well in re-capturing the building blocks of the classic era, but does feel like the first re-boot of the series. CR is now the second re-boot. To me it's weird to put the Brosnan and Craig films alongside those other classic era films on the DVD shelf. It's hard to even rank them among the others. It almost feels like a different series to me.