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I think you're over reacting though slightly. Am I really dragging his name "into the dirty"? Whatever that actually means.
Regardless of whether he's talking about Laz or Dalton (and I don't see how you can be so sure he means Lazenby) it is unbecoming when any of the actors criticise each other. It's just not a good look.
Laz nailed it IMO in OHMSS. Better performance right there in that one film than Pierce managed in any of his 4. Dalton is perhaps more debatable but I still don't think he warrants a "falling down" comment from Pierce.
To you, They weren't great to you. Your opinion isn't fact so stop treating it as such. I meant Into the dirt, mud or whatever Earthly element you're into. I made a typo. A common error. I'm only human.
I'm sure because of the order he mentioned the Bonds. "I saw Connery do it, Some guy who fell, I saw Moore do it. Ect. It's couldn't be more obvious it was Lazenby. They exchanged some unkind words to eachother in the late 90's. Was it unbecoming of Moore criticizing Craig's Bond films of being too violent, or Dalton criticizing Moore's movies for being too pastiche? Or do you just give them a free pass because you just don't like Brosnan? It's all been documented.
Anyway I don't dislike Brosnan. I'm just not keen on his Bond performance. Reckon he could have done a lot better.
Not sure about Laz being better. Also, Laz has made several crappy comments about Brosnan in the past, so he is probably just getting a shot back in
It started with Brosnan saying OHMSS was the one Bond film he would remake, as it wasn t very good. Here is a thread dedicated to the whole drama:
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/8651/george-lazenby-and-pierce-brosnans-war-of-words#latest
Not everything is an opinion. "This actor is bad" is an opinion. "John Smith thinks this actor is bad" is a fact that can be true or false. You said: The producers were the ones who fired Brosnan in 2002 or whenever, so if he lost the role because his performances weren't good, it must have been because the producers held that opinion, or audiences did. But what reason do you have to think that was the case?
Not to be insistent, but it makes no sense.
Brosnan being asked not to return was due to a change of winds more than after a box office flop. In fact, DAD has been a tremendous success and back in 2003 it looked like EON wanted Brosnan to return and MGM expected to do another film in the style of DAD. The Jinx spin-off was planed and Falco's return. Their change of minds began when they got the rights of CR and saw that franchises were beginning to be rebooted (Batman with Nolan, for example), so they felt they had the perfect excuse to reboot Bond with an adaptation of the first Fleming novel, which would imply the casting of a new actor.
I explain this more thoroughly in my book.
https://millenniumbond007.wixsite.com/millenniumbond
Lazenby on the other hand he's had beef with in the past. And really whenever anyone is talking about a bad James Bond I think you can assume they're on about Lazenby. He's the more generally forgotten actor who only did one.
He lost the role because he was used as a scapegoat for the issues of DAD (easier to sell a change in direction with a clean break) after all his suggestions for the direction they should be going in over the years seemed to be ignored (he didn't have the clout with BB that Craig does, he was Cubby's choice). I know you don't like him but he was very popular at the time, lots of "best since Connery" comments, and his films were successful. It isn't fair to say he wasn't good enough.
But why post in a thread of someone he does not like, I will never go to Daniel Craig thread to put dirty on him, I would do that on other threads, but in the end is a waste of time.
I’ll enjoy browsing through this thread when I have time.
Brosnan wasn't fired because he failed. He was asked not to return because they wanted a change. Imagine if after QOS they decided to go down the Roger Moore type of film for B23, B24 and B25 and they asked Craig not to return and went for, let's say, Cavill. That would mean Craig was "fired" because he "failed"? Nope. While researching for my book I looked back on the news archive of this very site, late 2002 and all 2003 and 2004. For a long while they seemed to make B21 another DAD with Falco and (maybe) Jinx coming back.
Questions in order:
- The film you are the most proud of?
- The film you can never stop watching?
- A film you know every famous quotes?
- Your very first film?
- The last film you saw?
- The film that makes you die from laughter?
- The film that makes you cry like a baby?
- The best spy film?
- The best love story?
- A sequel you would like to see?
I'd missed or forgotten Brozza had a beef with Laz. Wonder who started it. If Pierce said OHMSS was rubbish then he had it coming tbh. Plus he's totally wrong, of course.
He never said OHMSS was rubbish. What he apparently said was that if he could remake one Bond film he'd remake that one, because he thought the script/story was great but it was "just sad" that it starred Lazenby (should note that I can't actually find a source for this, it's just something @DCisared mentioned when he started the thread about their beef). He also said something about not wanting to be "the next George Lazenby" around that time (that bit I think is on record, I've heard that before). Then GE came out and Lazenby said something about Brosnan's Bond being a wimp compared to his and how "Bond shouldn't be nice" and it all kicked off from there.
So Brosnan did start it to be fair and it was a bit of an undignified move. But to be honest as much as I like Lazenby (I've said before that he's the closest to Fleming's Bond and could have been the best with time), I think his comments prove that his performance in OHMSS was entirely down to Hunt. The best thing about Lazenby is that he showed Bond's vulnerability and human side in a way Connery's Bond never did. He wasn't just a hard bastard. He had a real romantic side with Tracey and looked genuinely scared for his life in some of the action scenes. But him saying that Brosnan's Bond was too girly and his Bond was harder just makes me think that none of that was really down to him. There's a myth about Fleming's Bond being this brutal heartless cold blooded killer because that's how Connery played it, but if you read the books he's actually a much more human and romantic character than that.
And, probably sacrelige on here, but I genuinely think Brosnan would have been better in OHMSS too. I know that a lot of people will think no, he would have overacted and ruined that final scene. But Brosnan is a real directors actor imo. He's very restrained in GE and I think that's down to Campbell, who got another brilliant performance out of him in The Foreigner. Hunt would have reigned in his more OTT character actor tendancies (aren't there stories about him being a very strict director?) and he would have smashed that final scene. He knows grief like that.
Wouldn't have liked to have seen it actually remade in his era though. Imagine Spotiswood or Tamahori directing it. Would have been a complete mess and Brosnan wouldn't have been a patch on Lazenby. But if you put him in the same film Lazenby got, with Hunt directing, then yeah. I think he'd have done a better job.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7579999/Pierce-Brosnan-displays-physique-goes-shirtless-dip-Blue-Lagoon.html
I'd totally be on board with that!
Well we know it’s not going to happen but it would be great as a one-off to bridge the transition from Craig to his successor.
Also, Judy Dench could return because Brosnan’s M was not Craig’s M.
Yes, it's not going to happen, but it's a bit of fun these what-ifs.
Good point re. Judy Dench!