NTTD - Official Trailer Discussion Thread - First trailer OUT NOW (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Bernard Lee's M showed up in Bond's London flat, even.

    Regarding Fiennes M and based on Spectre, I don't have any reason to expect "Bond will keep disrespecting" him. That's not what was going on.

    More likely is M still venting frustrations on OO7 about outraged chefs and humiliated tailors and such.

    Yeah it find it hard to look at the restaurant scene where M says Bond is on his own or Bond showing up to Hildebrand to meet and work with M at the end of the film, and see mutual disrespect there. Bond can be cheeky and insubordinate, but that’s not the same as him having no respect for M.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    The Spectre story plays out to show Bond rightfully didn't answer M's questions about Mexico. It would have put M in a true bind while the future of MI6 and the Double-O section was in question. M learned that lesson over time, Bond's usefulness. The trust thing.
    mtm wrote: »
    Has anybody on here actually had any trouble understanding a Bond film because some of its story elements come from the film before? If not then this is just all hypothetical and not actually a real concern.
    That was my immediate thought as well. Spectre wouldn't have made $880 million unless it worked as a standalone film.

    And every Bond film is that of course. Quantum of Solace, any of them.

  • edited February 2020 Posts: 2,604
    In terms of the respect issue, I should be clearer; on the whole he respects M on the inside generally but in the films he often doesn’t show it based on the things he says. This is just the type of respect I was talking about.

    Many may disagree with me but I wish there was more character development on Bond’s part. We had some of this in OHMSS and CR in the way of love and then the theme of abandonment in SF, all of which were great but I wish they’d focus on the little, quirky, finicky things that make the literary character who he is. For instance, Bond’s breakfast rituals - a boiled egg timed for three and a third minutes, whole wheat toast with Norwegian honey and Tiptree marmalade (well, the brands may need to be skipped due to product placement issues :) ). Then there’s Bond’s dislike for shoelaces. Of course they only have to be brief scenes but I feel that it’s important for them to do their best to further distinguish him from all the other action heroes out there. Bond gambling in his free time, then buying a diamond clip for his cash for example like he expressed a desire to do in the Moonraker novel. Bond at the mechanics requesting that a bigger motor be put in his car. Arguments with Felix about the merits and demerits of American and British cars... So many of this stuff is overlooked in the films which for me personally is a shame.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,022
    @antovolk @mtm @jake24 @marketto007

    TOTAL FILM febr issue. This is the only text they had and picture.

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    Everyone: If you want the full magazine(PDF) with other stuff just give me a shout-out.
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    Thanks for posting. Seeing Malek is what I’m most looking forward to about this film.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    antovolk wrote: »

    Of of course online is extremely important but when you're planning a campaign a year in advance and you know the trailer gonna go into cinemas, it's far easier to earmark a film it will be with in cinemas as a rough estimate for when you'd drop it online, than pluck an online date out of thin air. That's why without fail, everyone who releases films in cinemas the traditional way still plans online trailer launches around this.

    And you want to also keep momentum going and keep that footage as fresh as possible by getting it out to cinemas around the same time, paired with an appropriate release to maximise impact.

    I see, thanks for clearing that up. Along those lines another trailer is more likely than not, I guess.
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    Yep, that was precisely my point!!

    Sorry to be pedantic but you specifically said "re-watch" which means you already know the context and therefore can certainly enjoy the quality of writing, acting and production on something like the Soprano's, the Wire or Breaking Bad when catching one episode. Certainly much more than watching a one programme off of dire quality.

    I am in the UK and The Soprano's is on almost constant loop here on Sky TV.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    TFC1 wrote: »

    Sorry to be pedantic but you specifically said "re-watch" which means you already know the context and therefore can certainly enjoy the quality of writing, acting and production on something like the Soprano's, the Wire or Breaking Bad when catching one episode. Certainly much more than watching a one programme off of dire quality.

    I am in the UK and The Soprano's is on almost constant loop here on Sky TV.

    +1
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 2020 Posts: 17,774
    TFC1 wrote: »

    Sorry to be pedantic but you specifically said "re-watch" which means you already know the context and therefore can certainly enjoy the quality of writing, acting and production on something like the Soprano's, the Wire or Breaking Bad when catching one episode. Certainly much more than watching a one programme off of dire quality.

    I am in the UK and The Soprano's is on almost constant loop here on Sky TV.

    Yeah I've tried rewatching Knight Rider for nostalgia's sake and... it's crap. I'd much rather catch a random ep of The Sopranos again. Same for the Craig Bonds over some much more rubbish action movie- it doesn't take an awful lot for me to remember what had happened to him previously.
  • TFC1 wrote: »

    Sorry to be pedantic but you specifically said "re-watch" which means you already know the context and therefore can certainly enjoy the quality of writing, acting and production on something like the Soprano's, the Wire or Breaking Bad when catching one episode. Certainly much more than watching a one programme off of dire quality.

    I am in the UK and The Soprano's is on almost constant loop here on Sky TV.
    You’re simply not going to experience the same kind of impact when you’re watching a one-off episode vs. the entire series. Whether or not you’ve seen it before or not. And what about folks who have never seen the series and stumble onto a single random episode? They have no clue what happened before or what is yet to come in future episodes. You don’t have this same problem when watching a standalone episode of an older show.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Gotta love ringfire's omniscence, I wish he gave me the lottery numbers
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    delfloria wrote: »
    "This changes everything"................. Yea, we discover Bond and Blofeld were never foster brothers.

    Hahaha I'd be so happy
  • Walecs wrote: »
    Gotta love ringfire's omniscence, I wish he gave me the lottery numbers
    25, 8, 16, 34, 1, 9, 18

  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Contraband wrote: »
    @antovolk @mtm @jake24 @marketto007

    TOTAL FILM febr issue. This is the only text they had and picture.

    d5E8JAI.jpg
    iYgtfV0.jpg

    Everyone: If you want the full magazine(PDF) with other stuff just give me a shout-out.

    I thought they said his villain was to stay out of politics I guess not. Michael Bloomberg won't like this film.
  • 007Blofeld wrote: »

    I thought they said his villain was to stay out of politics I guess not. Michael Bloomberg won't like this film.

    I think Malek's main stipulation was that he wouldn't play an Islamic terrorist.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I think Malek's main stipulation was that he wouldn't play an Islamic terrorist.

    Yes, it was religion that was the condition. Not politics. Which is fine. Everything is political. Even the cartoonish Bonds have politics involved. It's the name of the game.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I think Malek's main stipulation was that he wouldn't play an Islamic terrorist.

    Yes, it was religion that was the condition. Not politics. Which is fine. Everything is political. Even the cartoonish Bonds have politics involved. It's the name of the game.

    This from wikipedia ideology is politics "Malek revealed in an interview that his character would not be connected to any religion or ideology".[70]
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    i·de·ol·o·gy
    /ˌīdēˈäləjē,ˌidēˈäləjē/
    noun
    1.
    a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy.
    "the ideology of republicanism"
    synonyms: beliefs, ideas, ideals, principles, doctrine, creed, credo, teaching, dogma, theory, thesis, tenets, canon(s); More
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I hadn't a clue what ideology meant until now. Thank you.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I think his statement is a matter of semantics, with religion and Ideology having the same meaning; it doesn’t exclude political. As pointed out, virtually anything can be interpreted as “political “
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I think his statement is a matter of semantics, with religion and Ideology having the same meaning; it doesn’t exclude political. As pointed out, virtually anything can be interpreted as “political “

    Exactly. Pretty much every living soul on the planet lives by an "ideology" of some sort.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Exactly. Pretty much every living soul on the planet lives by an "ideology" of some sort.

    Yeah, as ironic as it may sound, not having an ideology is itself an ideology. But I'm fairly sure Malek only referred to religion, as in "he's not an "ISIS terrorist" or something like that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 2020 Posts: 17,774
    You’re simply not going to experience the same kind of impact when you’re watching a one-off episode vs. the entire series. Whether or not you’ve seen it before or not. And what about folks who have never seen the series and stumble onto a single random episode? They have no clue what happened before or what is yet to come in future episodes. You don’t have this same problem when watching a standalone episode of an older show.

    Why are you worried about other people? I’m only concerned whether I can follow something or not. They’re not going to make the storylines in Bond so complicated that folks can’t follow them.
    Have you been confused by the plot of the films over the last fifteen years?
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 2020 Posts: 4,247
    I wonder who Primo works for....maybe Blofeld or Safin...or Both. Although Primo looks an adversary of Bond's size....rather than Mr Stamper or Hinx....and it looks like Primo might be the main Henchman...since him and Bond were engaging in some brutal fisticuffs from the trailer.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    mtm wrote: »

    Why are you worried about other people? I’m only concerned whether I can follow something or not. They’re not going to make the storylines in Bond so complicated that folks can’t follow them.
    Have you been confused by the plot of the films over the last fifteen years?

    This is your friendly reminder that the person you're talking to is a troll. A couple of weeks ago they were arguing that climate change is a lie in the Billie Eilish thread and despite my attempts to talk about it in PMs so to avoid any off topic Ringfire ignored my PMs as well as any mod warnings and kept hijacking the thread with his do-gooders derogation and Lucifer nonsense. Don't even try to argue with them, it's pointless.
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    Walecs wrote: »

    This is your friendly reminder that the person you're talking to is a troll. A couple of weeks ago they were arguing that climate change is a lie in the Billie Eilish thread and despite my attempts to talk about it in PMs so to avoid any off topic Ringfire ignored my PMs as well as any mod warnings and kept hijacking the thread with his do-gooders derogation and Lucifer nonsense. Don't even try to argue with them, it's pointless.

    Thanks for the reminder, @Walecs, actually, thank you for the info. Jeez, Lucifer and climate change conspiracies? Really? I had no idea we’d come to that. I haven’t been around much lately. And here I was trying to see some sense in his arguments. Dully noted. And I thought we’d got rid of the trolls in the last couple of months. Lucifer... =)) Please... @-)
  • Posts: 3,164
    Fiennes as M looking badass
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    From a Russian shortened trailer/spot which looks like that one with Blofeld going 'your enemy is my enemy now' some on here have seen at the cinema...

  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited February 2020 Posts: 2,541
    Damn, after hearing Russian voice in that trailer, how much i miss a Russian Villian in craig era. Hope we get one soon after this.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,186
    antovolk wrote: »


    Bwhahahah, they completely erased Nomi from the russian trailer?! LOL! Love it.
  • Posts: 3,164
    Damn, after hearing Russian voice in that trailer, how much i miss a Russian Villian in craig era. Hope we get one soon after this.

    I mean, Safin may or may not be Russian....
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