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I think you'll be surprised by the amount of fans J.W. has on these boards. Personally I love his role in LALD, and Clifton plays him perfectly. Admittedly in TMWTGG he's out of place, but in LALD he's a small town sherriff living his power until some big-world events come racing through.
It works on all fronts: as a counter for the perhaps perceived racism, as a funny distraction and as a reminder that Bonds is one side, J.W.'s another of the same world. I love his exhasperation when he shouts in disbelief: 'on who's side?!?!?!'
I find the one-liners ni DAD by far the worst (admittedly, some are pretty good as well) with Jinx beeing the centre piece of abismal one-liners and dialogue. 'Yo mama'.
Are you upset about the character, or maybe the film laughing at the US Deep South?
Personally, I don’t see anything worse than what is seen in many films and TV shows - such as Dukes of Hazard
OHMSS is full of references to Connery - opening credits, souvenirs in draw, Goldfinger tune, kilt, “same old James, but more so” etc etc
I know they were trying to convince the audience they were watching Bond, but to me it comes across as lamenting Connery rather than looking to the future
Oh the 'Yo mama' I think was utterly out of place and made no sense. But it's just one line in all of hers that I dispise. The name set up, 'I'll always be a jinx to you', them meeting (now there's a mouthfull') etc. etc. etc. Have you ever heard anyone in the real world have conversations even remotely hinting in this direction? I have no doubt all the worst of Tamahori's six-y/o-brain went into her character. And it's a pity, Halle is a fine actress, but not a soul on this planet could save it.
Hardly upset, just not sure why so many are so accepting of such an unnecessary character who is little more than a poor stereotype who does nothing to advance the story. I'm not from the South, but it's still a silly way to present it in the Bond series, which is meant to be more classy. I want to be thrilled by the boat chase and not have it interrupted with the antics of a redneck sheriff.
Dukes of Hazard was meant to be a comedy, a spoof of that type of world and expected. This is James Bond, why drag the series down with that type of baggage?
J.W. Pepper was a hit in LALD back in 1973. My understanding is that black audiences got a big laugh out of seeing this Southern authority figure made a fool. Purely enjoyable in a schadenfreude way. Of course, I imagine anyone not coming from that cultural background would be more perplexed by Pepper's inclusion, but for America in 1973 it really meant something.
Well I've said it before, and it underlines my thinking, that P&W actually are pretty bad at dialogue.
The habit of inventing character names simply to use them in embarrassing puns can at least only be attributed to them. It is a recurring theme in so many of their films. I admit I am curious to know what pay off they had planned with "Strawberry Fields" that we never got, presumably because of the writer's strike. Something to do with the Beatles song?
Perhaps, or it was a link to the 'beatles without eamuffs'comment Sean made. In which case they might've wanted to reference more there. All in all, I hope their influence on Bond 25 is waning. Sorry, on Never Die Again Tomorrow. No, wait. No Time To Die.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/shortcuts/2019/nov/11/james-bond-10-most-unforgivable-puns-no-time-to-die
Come on Guy, admit it!
Most of those on there were the best! Though they did get #1 right on.
Moonraker at number 2, I’ll take that! 😉👍
4. “When one is in Egypt, one should delve deeply into its treasures” (The Spy Who Loved Me)
Roger Moore’s 1977 outing really was an innuendo banquet; this simple but effective line is basically the only reason for Bond to do all that globetrotting.
I agree, DAD just takes it to the extreme. There is a lot of stuff in DAD i don't like (CGI surfing, Invisible Car) but i think the dialogue is what i don't like the most.
GE is the only Brosnan film where i like his puns/one liners.
I think the writing really let Pierce down after GE and he done the best with what he was given.
Which didn't quite work, since Fleming at least had the prescience to ensure not that everyone in Mr. Big's organization was black--hence the Robber. And the film's climax arguably goes into more racist territory than Fleming's, what with Solitaire being chained up and offered to crazed black voodoo worshipers.
The villains were already a step ahead of Bond in the book though--that's one of the elements Mankiewicz kept from Fleming. Hence Bond being under surveillance all the way into Harlem and ambushed at the nightclub, hence Leiter's maiming and Solitaire's kidnapping.
Kanaga isn't the one who references Benvenuto Cellini and discusses the problem of accidie though. That's Fleming's Mr. Big, who was more cultured than his cinematic reduction.
Maybe, but the decision to bring him back in TMWTGG was not at the behest of black audiences but because the general (i.e., primarily white) audience found him funny and bizarrely likable in his buffoonishness, which is the real problem with the character. If the point was to criticize and mock racism, then the filmmakers erred in making J.W. such a broad caricature, because it suggests racism is found in outright buffoons like Pepper rather than in his less flamboyant colleagues. And that is simply false. The film laughs off racism as the preserve of outright buffoons--a comforting but again false message. A less over the top Pepper would have avoided that.
Agree. Goldeneye still feels somewhat grounded in the post Brosnan era, despite him being the leading man in the film. I feel like after GE they dialled everything up to 11 and everything including the dialogue fell apart.
The screenwriters for GE and TND handled the one-liners much better.
I am still wondering what the intended one-liner for Strawberry Fields was...? :-/
"I was never a fan of the Beatles. But in your case I would make an exception."
"Oh James."
"How about I give you a plow and see how fertile your soil is?"
;)
That would've made a nice callback to GF's "That's as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs" line.
I don't like it, it's too cute and something out of an earlier Bond film and doesn't translate well in the Craig era.
Haha. Good attempt ;))
Beats the "stationary" line anyway...