No Time to Die production thread

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  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Bounine wrote: »

    I'm an expat living in China. We first heard about this virus in the third week of January. Things are almost back to normal over here where all the shops and restaurants etc. are open again. The cinemas are still closed however and we still have our temperatures taken upon entrance to our apartment complexes, the subway and certain other places. A dramatic improvement however since January. 90% normality returned after two and a half months.
    Good to hear! Where exactly do you live? :-?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Don’t know about China and their “government” but the news about coronavirus broke in the lest week of December.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    I would be baffled if the leaked synopsis, and the ending in particular, turned out to be true. After the supposed return to the gritty basics with CR, to end it all THAT way would be bizarre.

    Maybe the horse had already bolted with SP anyway...
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    This is the first time there's so much concern about the last scene of a Bond actor's final film....probably because Craig's era is Serialized.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Don’t know about China and their “government” but the news about coronavirus broke in the lest week of December.

    Yup, I read the news about it on Reddit between Christmas and the New Year's Eve.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited April 2020 Posts: 3,497
    Double.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    delfloria wrote: »

    The postponement of NTTD IS directly related to the currant situation. Having said that........... you did not answer my question.

    You didn't ask me a question, you asked MTM a question.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 6,833
    matt_u wrote: »
    Guys if the leak from a couple of weeks is true
    Spoiler
    how would you react to the idea of closing the Craig era with Bond being a sort of dad? Of his fiancée’s clone, nothing less.

    IMO this idea on paper makes Brofeld worth an Academy Award...

    It really does.

    I've predicted for some time that they're borrowing heavily from The Dark Knight Rises in the the way this one ends and I think Nomi will end up being the John Blake/Robin of NTTD's ending.

    I really really hope not. But I do think you're right.

    Must say that my enthusiasm for NTTD could be much higher than it actually is. This metoo marketing angle, with all the Bond girls covers/interviews and thematics, and the recurring storylines and characters from SP, just didn't help. I've been rationalising the hell out of it, but in the end, it's the first Bond film since 1987 that I'm not that hyped about. Of course being hyped for DAD and SP didn't make a bloody difference. I'm very appreciative of NTTD set design, cinematography, Craig's effort (obviously), locations, even the song. But then the Nomi rookie agent, the scooby gang, brofeld,..., just mine the whole thing, IMO. It's a good way to go into the cinema (or whatever), because my expectations are being kept in check this time. Maybe I'll be surprised.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    I would be baffled if the leaked synopsis, and the ending in particular, turned out to be true. After the supposed return to the gritty basics with CR, to end it all THAT way would be bizarre.

    Maybe the horse had already bolted with SP anyway...

    It's made up by some 4 chan member.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
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    It's made up by some 4 chan member.

    Let's hope.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    I'd like to believe they're a bit more creative than to copy/paste the ending of another movie.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited April 2020 Posts: 3,497
    Univex wrote: »

    It really does.

    I really really hope not. But I do think you're right.

    Must say that my enthusiasm for NTTD could be much higher than it actually is. This metoo marketing angle, with all the Bond girls covers/interviews and thematics, and the recurring storylines and characters from SP, just didn't help. I've been rationalising the hell out of it, but in the end, it's the first Bond film since 1987 that I'm not that hyped about. Of course being hyped for DAD and SP didn't make a bloody difference. I'm very appreciative of NTTD set design, cinematography, Craig's effort (obviously), locations, even the song. But then the Nomi rookie agent, the scooby gang, brofeld,..., just mine the whole thing, IMO. It's a good way to go into the cinema (or whatever), because my expectations are being kept in check this time. Maybe I'll be surprised.

    I think people must stop taking things so literal with this movie. It's still DC who's the main character, not Noomi. Brofeld was a mistake, but that's SP.

    Having strong female characters is not bad, and Phoebe was NOT brought in to make this movie more "woman friendly".


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited April 2020 Posts: 17,811
    JamesCraig wrote: »

    You didn't ask me a question, you asked MTM a question.

    I don't think he did because it wouldn't make any sense.
    I did ask you what you meant though.
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    Maybe I've already ask. There's a pdf version of "L'Officiel Homme USA " featuring Daniel Craig on Hammersmith bridge and are there new info or photos?
  • 00Dalton700Dalton7 Portsmouth
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    Why can’t we end it with a bang instead of a whimper?

    Dark Knight Rises ending would be crap!

    We need something fresh. Maybe Bond on another mission?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »

    I don't think he did because it wouldn't make any sense.
    I did ask you what you meant though.

    I think he meant it for @The_Return.
  • Posts: 6,833
    JamesCraig wrote: »

    I think people must stop taking things so literal with this movie. It's still DC who's the main character, not Noomi. Brofeld was a mistake, but that's SP.

    Having strong female characters is not bad, and Phoebe was NOT brought in to make this movie more "woman friendly".


    I was talking about the marketing. And you can't deny that the marketing has not been that Craig-centric this time, but more Bond Women centric. Even the Phoebe collaboration has been mentioned ad nauseam. I like Phoebe, I love her dialogues. But they haven't even banked on it being Craig's last film. And by they I don't necessarily mean EON, but the entire press. So, the ad nauseam, made me nauseous, naturally.

    And the fact that I have to clarify my post to reinforce that I'm not against strong female characters, and am all in favour of it, just proves my point.

    I'm not talking about THAT. I'm talking about rookie agent angles, sidekicks, Mi6 teams, the return of SP's main narrative, etc... NOT about strong female characters.

    AD NAUSEAM. All of this.

    Now, to get ready for Sunday, and a watch along with Pierce. Cheers.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    mtm wrote: »

    20% of all deaths in the UK right now are from Covid-19. That's 1 in 5. 6,000 more people have died in this country than would usually have done. To say this isn't different from before is very much something you've dreamed up. You'd seriously never, ever see a close member of your family again under normal circumstances if they suffered from diabetes, for example?
    Where are you in the world?

    Norway. If I am healthy, why should I not be able to see someone with diabetes? I have met people with diabetes several times in the past. I don t get what you are saying.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited April 2020 Posts: 3,497
    00Dalton7 wrote: »
    Why can’t we end it with a bang instead of a whimper?

    Dark Knight Rises ending would be crap!

    We need something fresh. Maybe Bond on another mission?

    Nothing has been confirmed yet. Jesus.

    @Univex The press is also to blame for this "TEH WOMEN WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN DE BOND" thing.

    We're in for 7 months more of speculation, nitpicking, complaining and "it might or it might not". Very tiresome.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think he meant it for @The_Return.

    Indeed.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited April 2020 Posts: 8,266
    JamesCraig wrote: »

    Nothing has been confirmed yet. Jesus.

    @Univex The press is also to blame for this "TEH WOMEN WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN DE BOND" thing.

    We're in for 7 months more of speculation, nitpicking, complaining and "it might or it might not". Very tiresome.

    It is unfortunately natural and inevitable though, @JamesCraig.

    Just ignore it instead of trying to police it. Some of it can be fun.
  • Posts: 6,833
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    @Univex The press is also to blame for this "TEH WOMEN WILL BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN DE BOND" thing.

    I agree. And that's what I said :) What made me tired of it all was the press and the way "they" handled this film.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    It is unfortunately natural and inevitable though, @JamesCraig.

    Just ignore it instead of trying to police it. Some of it can be fun.

    I hate the police, but I should keep some distance indeed.

    :)) :)>-
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited April 2020 Posts: 4,347
    Univex wrote: »

    I'm not talking about THAT. I'm talking about rookie agent angles, sidekicks, Mi6 teams, the return of SP's main narrative, etc... NOT about strong female characters.

    Not a big fan of the rookie angle but I’m confident it won’t feel forced. As I said many times it could inject the film with cool narrative material. As for the rest, since this film has been conceived as the culmination of the first self contained arc within the franchise it makes perfect sense to pick up stuff and characters from SP, especially since in that film there was so much to unpack Mendes wasn’t able to focus on tons of potentially cool stuff. Giving more context and informations about SPECTRE, which leads to explore the character of Swann since her Dad was a member, it was something I felt it was needed even back in 2015. Regarding Blofeld I highly doubt they will refer him as Bond’s “brother” (well, actually he’s not) and since SP defined his character as a specter throughout all Craig’s film (which is cool if you ask me) I will be happy to see him again. As I see things everything seems great and needed regarding the concept of this film - without mentioning Bond finally trying to overtake a grand worldwide deadly scheme - and you already mentioned the superb formal and technical aspects behind it all.

    The only thing that really concerns me is the actual epilogue... Bond’s fate as written in that bloody leak feels totally wrong on paper. Of course Bond will face an evolution as a character in NTTD and I’m fine with them trying to bring something new to the audience. But Bond raising a child that will look exactly like the woman he loves to ***you know what*** is just out of this world and it gives me headache.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    matt_u wrote: »

    Not a big fan of the rookie angle but I’m confident it won’t feel forced. As I said many times it could inject the film with cool narrative material. As for the rest, since this film has been conceived as the culmination of the first self contained arc within the franchise it makes perfect sense to pick up stuff and characters from SP, especially since in that film there was so much to unpack Mendes wasn’t able to focus on tons of potentially cool stuff. Giving more context and informations about SPECTRE, which leads to explore the character of Swann since her Dad was a member, it was something I felt it was needed even back in 2015. Regarding Blofeld I highly doubt they will refer him as Bond’s “brother” (well, actually he’s not) and since SP defined his character as a specter throughout all Craig’s film (which is cool if you ask me) I will be happy to see him again. As I see things everything seems great and needed regarding the concept of this film - without mentioning Bond finally trying to overtake a grand worldwide deadly scheme - and you already mentioned the superb formal and technical aspects behind it all.

    The only thing that really concerns me is the actual epilogue... Bond’s fate as written in that bloody leak feels totally wrong on paper. Of course Bond will face an evolution as a character in NTTD and I’m fine with them trying to bring something new to the audience. But Bond raising a child that will look exactly like the woman he loves to ***you know what*** is just out of this world and it gives me headache.

    That leak has plot information scraped together from various "tidbits" and the ending could be nothing more than fan fiction.

    Please stop getting so worked over something that was clearly written by a 4 chan member.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Didn’t we hear at some point that Cary filmed 3 different endings to the movie & only he knew which one would make the final cut?
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Didn’t we hear at some point that Cary filmed 3 different endings to the movie & only he knew which one would make the final cut?

    Yes... :-?
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Didn’t we hear at some point that Cary filmed 3 different endings to the movie & only he knew which one would make the final cut?

    That wasn't confirmed (or denied) by Fukunaga, by the way. I'm not sure what the original source was, but it was a UK tabloid. So I doubt there's any truth to this.
    I also doubt that if CF shot 3 different endings, he would be allowed to call the shot on which ending the film got. I'm sure BB and MGW have more power about something substantial as the ending of a five film run. Even Craig (as co-producer) has some influence, I assume.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Italian Designer Massimo Alba on Daniel Craig’s Last James Bond Wardrobe
    https://prestigeonline.com/id/style/fashion/italian-designer-massimo-alba-on-daniel-craigs-last-james-bond-wardrobe/

    [...]Daniel Craig told the film’s head costume buyer Jane Gooday he wanted cord in No Time to Die. And not just any old cord but Italian designer Massimo Alba cord. And if you’ve ever met Daniel Craig and been targeted by those gas-ring blue eyes of fire and near-psychotic madness, he’s not a man you’d want to deny.

    “You can tell Daniel Craig knows how to wear clothes,” Massimo Alba tells me from his headquarters in Milan. “He’s a very stylish man, and not just when he plays James Bond on screen. Formal or casual, he uses clothes to let his personality exude.” So much in fact, that Alba religiously follows the IG handle @whatsdanielwearing. “I like browsing it, his taste is extremely eclectic, and I have become acquainted with his choices. I like his attitude.”

    Alba says the process of dressing Bond for certain parts of the film (Tom Ford dresses much of the rest) was straightforward given Craig’s existing relationship as a customer. “The customer designer contacted our Milan office requesting look books. Mr Craig owned Massimo lab pieces already, and this is how it all started, in a very organic way. Look books were sent, a selection was made and order placed.”

    Was he nonetheless surprised to get the call from Her Majesty’s Government’s go-to galavanted? “I feel humbled by their choice. My brand is small and independent. It really means a lot.” And the cord? “The Sloop suit [the beige corduroy] is a carry over, that’s been in my menswear collection since season one, so to have that be part of one of the most famous film sagas of all time made me very happy.”

    But is the world ready, or Bond’s legions of style aficionados and attendant Bondmania ready, for their conflicted hero in cords? “I like to think of the new Bond as a more ‘human’ one, if I may use such a term,” says Alba. “I think of James Bond now as a man who, in a way, doesn’t need to wear a suit like a form of armour any more, as if he’s found a new confidence.” Alba hadn’t seen the film when we spoke to him. “At least, this is how I imagine it, or maybe how I would like it to be,” he qualifies.

    “I think the cord translates into a new kind of confidence, and this permits him to be more casual in what he wears; since my clothes are informal I like to think he feels more comfortable in them.” In that way, Alba feels Craig’s Bond is doing what the spy nonpareil has always done — reflected the times. “Bond is a character that has evolved over the years, along with men and men’s clothing. There’s definitely a need for less formality and a quest for comfort now.”

    License to regenerate. Part of Bondmania’s enduring success is the ability to change — think Dorian Gray-esque permanent youth — into a floating cultural icon, continually renewed and rejuvenated in the face of social change. In that way, Bond reflects the cultural codes of consumerism and tourism and what’s become luxury lifestyle. And now cords. “I would say that the Bond style has always been able to seize the moment,” says Alba. All Bond films have become a reference for a specific frame of time, an era, defining it in terms of style. Men and women featured in each film, their style, but also the objects, architecture and interiors, encompassing the history moment in which the film was filmed and released.”

  • Article just posted from New York magazine about the impact of Covid-19 on Hollywood and the movie industry. While it (inexplicably) doesn't mention NTTD being the first movie to move due to the virus, it does go into extreme detail about many of the issues being discussed in this forum in recent days, ie: production delays, cinema and streaming profits, and how studios will go forward after this.
    “We have to write off 2020. It’s already the year that didn’t happen,” says one top agent at one of the town’s powerhouse firms who, like everyone reached by Vulture for this story, requested anonymity due to sensitivities surrounding ongoing business endeavors. “We’re not going to make any money because there are no revenues with TV and movies not getting made. Anyone who says that everything is not totally f***** is lying. Everything has changed in what we do.”

    {Crossposting this in the Coronavirus discussion forum too.}
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