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I honestly and simply do not want to watch this film. If anyone asked me if I wanted to watch a Bond film where he isn't 007, and containing all of the other plot threads revealed over the past few weeks, then I would have said 'no thanks'.
Anyway, the creative team at EON should follow their instincts. They shouldn't listen to what fans want. I agree with all that. If they have confidence in all of this then fine. I suppose I should keep an open mind until it comes out (believe me I have tried, I really have).
Fukunaga already confirmed that the film will end with the JB will return card.
He isn't 007 in Licence to Kill, any more than he is in NTTD (allegedly). And Nomi isn't confirmed to be 007, despite what rumours might be out there. And all plot leaks, IMO, aren't confirmed until November (maybe) when the film comes out.
It's sad if you as a Bond fan aren't excited about a new Bond film, but for me nothing could keep me out of that theatre when it hits. Am I excited about every rumoured plot point? No. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and watch the film, and I'm excited to do so. To me that's what being a fan is.
I couldn’t be happier seeing they are taking lot of inspiration from the big ideas in that book. JB goin on a mission without his signature license, JB possibly “dying”, the idea of JB being a father...
Good point, agent 7777. And it's one of my favourite novels.
Don't watch then, it's no skin off my nose.
Wait for the next era, I hated the last one but I'm willing to see what this one delivers, if you have given up with that much why are you even in the thread?
Yeah, it's quite depressing to be honest. All we can do now is hope for the best for NTTD....and it's not too good to Hope, feels fortuitous at times. Few months back, I was feeling upbeat. Now in a span of few days, am beginning to feel like TENET might be a better Spy film than NTTD....which isn't too good, even if am a Nolan fan.
I come here because it feeds my excitement / general love of Bond. :P
Not to mentions those rumours of a Castle with a "garden of death", Bond choking Safin to death with his bare hands, and the general Japanese influence.
As to why this whole potential plot is unlikely to work is simple- that's just a incredibly lazy writing. Oh, you weren't sold on the relationship between two people ? Make them have a baby, now they will be forced to make it right ! Your character needs motivation to perform impossible task and you can't be bothered with thinking about something original ? Put his child in danger, he will have to go to action ! It is incredible how in short amount of time we may see two big franchises- Bond and Star Wars- take completely different approaches after their controversial films, Star Wars with trying to erase the movie and Bond embracing it and even going further, and to have both films be a failure. Honestly, having Bond be a father and rescue his kid is on par for me with bringing Palpatine back to life in Star Wars in terms of lazy and failed attemps at having the audience make an emotional connection to the story. Just have Bond have a dog in Jamaica that gets killed so we can tick all the boxes in Hollywood's cheesiest ways to make you sad during a movie
Welcome. You're going to fit in great.
I was joking about her secret being her pregancy!
Just because of you, Shardlake, just because of you.
So do I, and to discuss the films with knowledgeable fans. That's fair, isn't it? I am discussing NTTD on the NTTD thread, and the relevant topics on the other threads. I though that was how it worked? It's not the threads that are having a detrimental effect on my excitement for the next one, either.
lol, kidding :) Carry on.
A big +1 to that. For one thing i enjoy my time here, there are lots of threads on such different topics to enjoy.
(called Matilde)
I'm glad others bring up the YOLT novel. I'm glad that others bring up that he didn't even know about James Suzuki. It seems that it's going to be similar in NTTD. A little nod and doff of the cap so to speak. I do wonder had Fleming lived longer whether he'd have broached the subject at all somehow. I'm unsure if he ever spoke about James Suzuki beyond what was written on the page.
I've absolutely no problem with the idea. I think Bond has that kind of duality about him. What is his life beyond his job? He wrestles with the idea and it never quite works out like he's eternally cursed depending on your perspective. Not only that but he doesn't know his life apart from the job. So he's always stuck with this internal war inside him. There's some great lines in the novels about this but I'm lazy. I've always regarded novel Bond as one giant hypocrite because of that and you know what... I'm OK with that because he's human.
And it's precisely because he's human and with the amount of bonking he does that he ends up with a girl pregnant. That's just what happens.
If we are going with the premise that Mathilde is Bond's daughter then it seems that Mathilde is a driving force for the plot and a potential motive for what Bond does. At the end of the day I don't think it would sit well with him at this mature age in the arc to completely disregard Mathilde. As you get older, you mature, you learn. Things you believed or did ten or twenty years ago are not quite the same - can he still be a womaniser? Yes. Why not? Womanisers have kids. Some womanisers might even care for their kids. Would Bond? It is up in the air and up for debate. I would say he does but how much? I don't know. I would think given his 'hero' status (though I always see him as some kind of begrudging hero, perhaps even an antihero) that it wouldn't sit right just for him to abandon the child. Does it mean he loves her in that completely overt way that some do? I don't think we'll be seeing that. It'll be Bondian just as his love for particular women is still Bondian.
I don't think Mathilde has a massive part in the film but I think it goes with the internal warring inside of Bond.
Anyway, I hope this makes sense. I really don't want to judge too much. I kind of just want to see the film now and then form a judgement of it afterwards. We're all talking a lot of ifs, buts and maybes and we could all be totally wrong. We all share different opinions and that's the beauty of life and also being human :).
That being said, I may go dark on this thread now and participate elsewhere in the forums. I don't want the ending to be spoilt as it seems like that is still the big thing that we don't know about - does Bond live? Does he die? Does he get a happy ending? Does he get a sad ending? If I was EON I would be absolutely gutted that this came out in June when the film was due for release in April. It would have been a perfect little surprise/twist for everyone to experience rather than reading it in a rag or on some fan boards.
Roll on November.
That's fair enough. It just feels sometimes that people get off on telling everyone how unexcited they are, how awful NTTD is going to be, etc. The self pity here sometimes reaches masturbatory levels.
Of course not @NickTwentyTwo...I don't intend to spread pessimism. Not saying others here aren't huge Bond fans, coz I know we all are....why else would we be here?. Am only airing out my concern. It's not as if NTTD is following SF, we all know the film it's following, so it's only natural to worry.
I think NTTD is now in the situation GE & CR were years back. GE & CR were critically successful, they're the reason we have NTTD today, so the slightest thought of NTTD failing isn't something one can stomach....not saying NTTD will fail, just saying there's need to feel a bit concerned, as NTTD will determine what happens to the future of the franchise....and the recent plot leaks further fueled my trepidation, but still am hoping the film turns out well.
Really wish there would be a U.N.C.L.E. sequel. Love that film.
I'm up for very progressive storytelling. SPECTRE suffered from a lack of passion and vision. No Time To Die seems full of energy, passion and inventiveness. Bring it on.