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I was being sarcastic back too, sorry if that wasn't obvious either.... ;)
Was the brilliant CR made over 25 years ago? Time sure flies when you're having no fun.
Oh right; it really wasn't obvious. So you don't think CR was the exception? I'm lost. I get that the 'gems' was meant sarcastically, I thought it was pretty clear that I understood from my reply.
Now you do like it...? Okay, change that to 'you've only enjoyed one film in the last 25 years'. If you're not having fun, just give up on it and do something else. It's supposed to be fun: I've enjoyed pretty much all of them. If you think being miserable makes you the winner in some way, well go for it, you won.
I thought it was fairly clear that I was stating I liked CR. That part I wasn't being sarcastic about, but I think you deducted that anyway, despite your claimed confusion. You know me by now that I'm a Fleming fan, and I think you also know I liked CR too before this conversation (but I could be wrong).
I loved CR on first viewing. It made it straight into my top 5, and hasn't shifted. I live in hope that one day I'll see another Bond film that I'll enjoy just as much, which is why I'm still hanging in there.
So it was only the 'gems' bit you being sarcastic about, as I made clear I understood when I said you hadn't 'enjoyed any for 25 years'. So when you said you were being sarcastic back and said you thought I hadn't understood, you actually knew full well that I understood but were just repeating what I said back to me to try and score a point, even though it didn't make any sense at all. What a pointless and tiresome thing to do.
If all you'll accept is Fleming then there's not much point. Just read the old books and be happy with them.
Maybe you are right. :(
Some things from Gardner have been touched upon, and the Colonel Sun bit was pulled for SPECTRE which means I suppose it's open season now for actually adapting ideas.
The early Gardners would work if you wanted to mine ideas. Licence Renewed is a template for a Bond film which you could mix with other things.
Ultimately though there is one book that is tailor made for a film adaptation. It would be expensive but it's literally already a film in book form. Benson's High Time To Kill. Literally go shoot the book and you're done. The others are still good and there's plenty of great scenes and bits to pull from. HTTK though is the one I've felt was perfect for adapting from the moment I first read it. When he later revealed his was directed to write novels with the films in mind by Glidrose I found myself thinking:"Well of course!"
Benson's stuff is, for me, a bit too crude.
Still, such a moment could be great, especially if used in the same way as by Benson (in his novel a murder is committed during the party and forces Bond to investigate). It could also be a smart way to give Bond's mission a personal dimension, because I doubt that this concept will disappear anytime soon, without it being too personal neither.
Yes it's Roland Marquis in the book. There's plenty of great ideas in his tenure to mine from and some good plot structures. I still wonder what he could come up with now in a Bond novel without having to make them like the films.
I liked his referencing of other Fleming characters to an extent but it went overboard so much you started to question why is this happening?
That's the smart way to do it I suppose, if you're going to. It certainly costs Eon less money to unofficially mine the Gardner novels for good ideas. They could always say that they were just generic thriller ideas they coincidentally drew from the ether if anyone ever came calling. I'm sure they knew that was a very unlikely event anyway and so it proved. It doesn't do the Gardner Estate's finances any good, mind, but for Eon that is (sadly) beside the point. There should really be enough to go around for everyone, but such is the nature of the beast that is capitalism(!)
That's no doubt partly the case (see the "coincidentally drawing generic thriller ideas from the ether" point in my post above). However, I believe that Bond co-producer (and one-time co-scriptwriter) Michael G. Wilson is also on public record as saying that they were aware of the Gardner continuation novels and read them as they came out, seemingly almost out of courtesy to Glidrose. I suppose they were also read on the off-chance that they might contain something of value that could be adapted in a Bond film or to at least spark a new original idea.
Wilson then went on to say that Eon had dismissed the idea of adapting any of the Gardner novels as he didn't think them right for the Bond films. Wilson pointed out the fact that Bond had visited Disneyland and enjoyed the experience in one of the novels (Never Send Flowers, 1993) as an idea worthy of particular censure.
Wilson may have also referred to the fact that the climax to that particular novel was set at the then new EuroDisney resort outside Paris. Wilson famously said this at a 1995 conference (possibly in New York if memory serves correctly) that he appeared at. I can't recall the exact details now. It's little talked about as interest in the continuation novels is generally much lower than many other Bondian topics, for obvious reasons. It's considered more of a niche topic. However, Wilson's disparaging remarks are just one famous example of where the powers that be at Eon poured cold water on the suggestion that the Gardner novels could ever be adapted as Bond films.
The two infite there Daughter Eve and Bond to Australia for the party where also another Daughter from Samantha Bond moneypenny she get with Tanner Sr. (Half sister of Tanner jr introduced in QOS.). In earlier idea i come up with Charles and Samantha Bond Moneypenny moved to, Australia when Tanner Sr was murderd by Falco. After Tanner Sr funeral where Dench M murder Falco. It turn aut that Dario was Falco son, he contuned the drugs thing. Dario be partly Romania and his Romanian mom kild her self from life.
Eve be Charles and Samantha Bond daughter i only come up because some people whant explanation that Moneypenny is black and i dislike way she is introduced in Skyfall. Same reasen i think about another daughter.
Romania / Falco thing and death of Kitchen his Tanner was thing for Brosnan 5th movie. Later i even think about other ideas to bring back Charles and idea killing of Dench M (she kild her self after first dispearing for whyle. It turn out she can't lived any more with idea she half German and her mothers id stil hunting her. ) and making Charles the New M, Dench husband turn out be new Q played by Jared Harris. Then that Moneypenny died in Australia. For Dench M name and her husband i was inspyred by Fleming element of QOS short story and give it twist. There married from QOS short story be start of Bond 25 as flashback. Master in the line ''Who be the Master in this game'' was also reference to that orginal male chacter in the novel. Whyle Jared Harris Q name are respect for Desmond Q who famale in novel. ''Pink cloud is another way to die'' another line i created reference to there deadly relation, Bond and Vesper and reference to QOS movie title song.
This needs to happen.
That's the one with a neo-Nazi group in it, isn't it? I bought that one as I was intrigued by the decision to use neo-Nazis as villains again, something (I think) not seen since John Gardner's Icebreaker (1983) and SeaFire (1994). Not got a chance to read it as yet but I should really dig it out and give it a read. It's the only one of the newer Bond comics that I've bought thus far as I was intrigued to see how the villains were handled.
Yes, indeed. It's kind of a sad era we're in as far as Bond is concerned. Sure both CR and SF were well received and are among the tops of many fan's rankings, but that was YEARS ago. Years in which time has passed and we've only a small handful of new Bond content to keep us going.
The Craig era is like an expired gallon of milk sitting in the fridge, mostly full because only a few glasses have been consumed.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing adaptations of the YOUNG BOND novels providing they kept the WWII setting. Otherwise I'd prefer to see Bond in his prime for the duration of the next actor's era (if there is one).
That was one thing that struck me when reading the graphic novels: the amplified violence, the bursts of blood and matter that went flying with each gunshot. That really felt, well, “off-brand” for Bond for me. Even in the books, which are all considerably more violent than the films, it never came across as that visceral or at least not that prevalent. But I figured that was just the common style of graphic novels these days. Give the people what they want—or what they expect—and all that. I’ve only read a couple of the comics though, so maybe they aren’t all that bloody.
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You are both not wrong. The comics and especially Kill Chain are quite violent. They are still a bit off from what comics can be at their most visceral (although of course there are modern comics that aren't bloody at all). I guess it's Dynamite's house style and the template that Warren Ellis set in VARGR when they started the line.
But that is something that I believe would go out of the window in an adaption. Comics that stick to 20-pages per issue at 6 issues per arc have a hard time creating great cinematic action pieces anyway. I would assume a director and their stunt coordinator would go into it completely fresh, apart from the story necessities in the script. And here, Kill Chain has some interesting set-ups, like a shootout inside an auction house's storage room leading into a chase with a van full of artifacts, a boat/car chase in Rotterdam or Bond walking into a neo-nazi/Rocker bar in Germany and beating the crap out of a handful of them.
However, that brings me to the problem with Kill Chain: There is just too much in there that we've already seen elsewhere:
The surrounding plot about NATO and Five Eyes is very interesting in my opinion and goes at it from an exactly opposite direction, but we just had a lot of that in SP.
The bar fight, while cool and played non-comedically here, is very similar to that in Kingsman.
This premise could indeed be a great basis for a future installment. As much as I like Kill Chain a lot, I think a direct adaptation of this storyline would be of little relevance, unlike those elements you mention, which, structured in this way, can create a new story, both classic and distinct from what the series offered before.
You also have the danger of being intentionally trapped inside a crashing elevator in both A View to a Kill and For Special Services. As you say, a number of these similarities could be coincidental, but once you begin to add them up and compare the proximity in timing, they start to read more like inspiration than coincidence.