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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    AVTAK came in at 4th for me, but it was tough because the Top 10 is full of favorites of mine. I'd say this one has some of the most memorable tracks for me out of the series, songs I find myself whistling for hours or even days after I rewatch it. I love it so much.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited July 2021 Posts: 2,157
    I was very surprised to see AVTAK finishing ahead of the likes of MR, DAF and TB but could somehow accept it. Would have been much harder to stomach had it finished in front of the last two remaining scores, but luckily this isn't the case 😅
    It's a very competent score by Barry but it remains, along with OP, my least favorite of his offerings. The very 80s guitar flourishes may have something to do with that, I suspect.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited July 2021 Posts: 4,487
    It ended also as #3 on my list. I definitely didn't expect it to end there in this game. I mean, I alwaxs thought it is a wonderful score but never had the feeling that the majority of the fans feels the same.

    The soundtrack stands out for me because the main track for the action scenes (PTS, end fight and... where else??) Is one of my favourites in the franchise and the calmer moments (Stacey drives over the Golden Gate Bridge) or Wine with Stacey (romantic) are beautiful.
    And then there is the almost heroic hymn when Bond goes down the ladder with Stacey over his shoulders. What a feast for my ears.

    Is this score a bit more guitar driven than others? This could also be a reason why I love it a lot.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I had the score at #7. It's a great score after all, with, once again, several beautiful renditions of the theme song as part of it. My favourite moments include Wine With Stacey, the moment when Bond helps Stacey down the ladder at City Hall and Bond hanging underneath the Zorin Zeppelin while approaching the Golden Gate Bridge (not featured on any of the soundtrack CDs). The final track in particular is one I enjoy tremendously because it sounds both victorious and a little sad. I also love the "action suite" we hear during the PTS, the fight at Stacey's, the firetruck chase and Bond vs. Zorin. Another favourite of mine is Q-bot approaching Bond doing his "ooh-haha-ha-ooh" to Stacey in the shower, again not on any of the released soundtracks. Overall, most of the best stuff of this score relies on the theme song, I guess.
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 6,844
    @DarthDimi, you've named several of the film's very best cues right there. Those stirring renditions of the title theme heard when the blimp is approaching the Golden Gate or when Stacey is driving across the bridge really are some of the best moments in the score and as you mentioned sadly still unreleased. To the AVTAK love I would add the atmospheric music when Bond and Tibbett investigate Pegasus' stable, the dramatic music when Zorin and his jockeys chase Bond through the forest, and the suspenseful, doom-is-upon-us music heard in "Destroy Silicon Valley" and "May Day Bombs Out." Barry may have composed all-around stronger and more varied scores for YOLT and OHMSS (and they are quite rightfully the two standout winners here), but he never composed a more elegant cue than "Bond Meets Stacey" (and its assorted variations in "Wine with Stacey" and elsewhere). Therefore, AVTAK was my number one. I'm very pleasantly surprised it took 3rd in this ranking. I had feared it might place toward the bottom of the top 10.
  • mattjoesmattjoes THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST
    edited August 2021 Posts: 7,040
    AVTAK is one fantastic score. My fellow posters have already mentioned plenty of highlights. I especially share the appreciation of the horse chase theme and the rendition of AVTAK that underscores the blimp approaching the bridge (and the kidnapping of Stacey in the preceding scene).

    I think AVTAK's action theme is a candidate for his best, and I appreciate the fact it gets such substantially varied renditions as opposed to other action themes in Barry scores. Snow Job introduces the theme; the version heard during the fight at Stacey's house adds that section with brass triplets that's reminiscent of Thunderball's Chateau Flight; He's Dangerous introduces that terrific, suspenseful B-section with the horns and trills; and Golden Gate Fight flat out changes the melody for something completely different!

    I also love Airship to Silicon Valley, especially that ominous phrase heard at 31 seconds and again at 1:25.

    The last minute or so of May Day Bombs Out is remarkably powerful.

    And I like that sinister brass motif heard at the beginning of Bond Escapes Roller. Speaking of that track, those woodwinds heard from 0:20 onwards are brilliant. So desolate, and they even sound like breathing or gasping for air.

    I also like the return to a classic idea, turning source music into dramatic underscore, as heard when Aubergine is killed. It's a lovely piece of music without the suspenseful strings.

    Another cue I enjoy that I know has big fans is the arrival at the chateau. Twenty seconds of perfection. And a lesser known one I love is the one heard in the briefing scene with M, Q and the Minister. Brilliant chord progression there.

    This score has relatively little time for the Bond theme but I love the rendition in May Day Jumps. A nice, subtle variation on the Octopussy version.

    At the moment, GF is my favorite early Barry score, and AVTAK is my favorite later Barry score.
  • mattjoes wrote: »
    Another cue I enjoy that I know has big fans is the arrival at the chateau. Twenty seconds of perfection.

    That one had escaped my mind, but you're right, it's a brief but great little fanfare. There's something both pastoral and a bit grand, perhaps even regal about it. As with the intro to Paris music, it feels reminiscent of Barry's Until September.
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    I agree with all the tracks mentioned so far. I also like the music as Stacey arrives at the chateau, plus the repetitive music as Bond and Stacey escape in the mine.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I had AVTAK at #12. It's a great score for sure but I am a tad surprised at how high it's finished. Barry's action scoring is glorious and the use of the title song as a love theme for Tracy is sublime, but where the score falls down in comparison with most of the other Barry scores for me is in the incidental (or 'tension building', if you will) cues that aren't as strong or memorable to my ears.
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 1,469
    I respect that many of you like it so much, but I rank it #20. Compared to even MR right below it, I find MR has much more memorable music phrases. More melody. AVTAK has good movie music, and though I greatly admire John Barry, I dare call the music for this score rather generic or lacking in standout cues. One internet review called it a solid score but also said Barry "seemed to have run out of ideas". Of course later, he really got wind in his sails again with TLD. I personally think so many scores ranked below AVTAK--even by Barry himself, including MR, TLD and TMWTGG (scanning that one again right now)--are better and contain more Bondian signatures than AVTAK's. And I would still rather listen to the CD of CR, if I had it, rather than AVTAK.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited August 2021 Posts: 4,487
    Interesting that you mention the CD from CR. I bought it a few years ago because it is my favourite movie and... never listened to it in full since then...it works great in the movie but there aren't many melodies (apart from the emotional Vesper tracks) that excite me without the image.

    But it is true that there are several Barry scores with more variation than AVTAK and may be more interesting to listen to.
  • Slazenger7Slazenger7 Gothenburg, Sweden
    edited August 2021 Posts: 1,344
    AVTAK is top 3 scores? That’s incredible. It’s a great score and it’s in my top 10 but I still may have overlooked it a bit. I feel that I have to buy this on vinyl and have a closer listen ASAP.
  • mattjoesmattjoes THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST
    edited August 2021 Posts: 7,040
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Another cue I enjoy that I know has big fans is the arrival at the chateau. Twenty seconds of perfection.

    That one had escaped my mind, but you're right, it's a brief but great little fanfare. There's something both pastoral and a bit grand, perhaps even regal about it. As with the intro to Paris music, it feels reminiscent of Barry's Until September.
    Your mentioning that score prompted me to listen to it again. Love it! Especially the main theme, Candle Light and One More Time. The latter track is another one that employs electric guitar, like AVTAK.

    vzok wrote: »
    plus the repetitive music as Bond and Stacey escape in the mine.
    It's not among my top favorites of the score, but I like that piece. Part of it has a five-note ostinato played on harp and strings, I think. It sounds like a ticking clock, which is appropriate because it is indeed scoring the bomb countdown. And with the brass chords in the background it sounds like doomsday is upon us. And then on top of that you get some Bondian trumpet phrases.

    And the other main idea of that piece is an eight-note phrase played on low woodwinds, brass and piano. It recurs in another cue that plays when Bond and May Day fight each other before falling into the water. I like the horns and trumpets that play on top of that version. The music really sells the fact this is a serious yet exciting moment, even if it turns out to be brief, as the flooding of the mine interrupts the struggle.

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    I also like the fact they scored the scene with Bond following Stacey to her house with the AVTAK theme in a pleasant, pastoral rendition. It seems obvious to me to score it that way in hindsight, but I don't know if it was that obvious looking at the unscored film.

    But for me, perhaps nothing in the score beats a piece I and others mentioned in an earlier post, that is, the music that scores the fight at Stacey's house, specifically the part toward the end. The phrase played on brass is repeated each time on a higher octave --a classic Barry trick-- and it sounds so exciting; you can really feel the music is building toward something.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    It's reveal day, folks. Time to announce our top two favourite Bond scores.

    In at number 2, and our silver medalist:

    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    Music composed by
    JOHN BARRY

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    Barry's YOLT grabs the silver medal, unsurprisingly so since it also received the most individual silver medals as well: eight.

    YOLT also obtained three golds and one bronze medal. Additionally one 4th and two 5th places were awarded to it.

    Five more top 10's were counted. It should be noted that YOLT ended up in everyone's top 15, except on one occasion: a 17th place. That's the highest lowest score of them all.

    In total YOLT's original music received 185 points.


    That brings us to this contest's winner. Realising a third victory in a row, after Best 007 Film, Best Bond Girl, now it also grabs Best 007 Score, our gold medalist:

    ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    Music composed by
    JOHN BARRY

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    With nine 1st places, more than any other entry, OHMSS was always going to be difficult to beat.

    Furthermore, it received four 2nd places, one 3rd place, four 4th places and two 5th places. That's an impressive total of twenty members who gave a top 5 spot to OHMSS.

    Only three members rated it outside the top 5, though two of them gave it a top 10 and top 15 respectively: a 9th spot and a 14th spot. One member did not include OHMSS in his/her top 20, giving our winner a 21st spot.

    In total though OHMSS's original music obtained 197 points.


    Our podium
    GOLD: On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    SILVER: You Only Live Twice
    BRONZE: A View to a Kill

    I was quite surprised that I could not find an Award show nomination for any of these three scores.

    Their triumph in this contest however, awarded by our distinguished Mi6 Academy members, makes up for that of course ;)

    Thanks all for participating, it's been fun!

    Cheers,
    GG
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Well, I suppose it was written in the stars, wasn't it? ;-)

    First of all, I would've been pleased either way, since both scores are truly epic. I could proceed by dissecting them, highlighting every great moment, but then I'd be summing up literally every single track in Barry's outstanding compositions.

    What makes both guaranteed winners is not just the fact that Barry does amazing things, but that he does them all the time; that he wrote not one or two but several centerpieces for each film, and that they all added layer upon layer upon layer of beauty to these films. The only weak spots aren't Barry's doing, namely using the Bond Theme in a rough and unsubtle mix during the Little Nellie fight and the raid on Piz Gloria.

    @GoldenGun, thank you so much as usual! This is the one I've had the most fun with by far. It's been a fairly emotional ride too, especially with LALD pushing several of the Barry scores aside like a boss, which, to this day, I find absolutely appalling. ;-) But what a delightful journey you have hosted for us once again. Please don't hesitate to bring us more of these "contests"!
  • I had YOLT at #6 and OHMSS a #9. I prefer the more exotic music to the more simplistic music, though I fully understand why OHMSS is our winner. Great competition as usual @GoldenGun, thanks very much! I look forward to the next one!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    As always a wonderful job hosting @GoldenGun
    Thank you.
    Excellent top three. You can easily hear, John Barry at his best in those scores.

    This was my ranking of the scores...
    1. You Only Live Twice
    2. A View To A Kill
    3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    4. Casino Royale (2006)
    5. Moonraker
    6. Octopussy
    7. Goldfinger
    8. Tomorrow Never Dies
    9. From Russia With Love
    10. Diamonds Are Forever
    11. Casino Royale (1967)
    12. The Living Daylights
    13. The Spy Who Loved Me
    14. The Man With The Golden Gun
    15. Live And Let Die
    16. Skyfall
    17. The World Is Not Enough
    18. Die Another Day
    19. Thunderball
    20. For Your Eyes Only
    21. Licence To Kill
    22. GoldenEye
    23. Dr.No
    24. Quantum Of Solace
    25. Spectre
    26. Never Say Never Again
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,219
    I had YOLT at #6 and OHMSS a #9. I prefer the more exotic music to the more simplistic music, though I fully understand why OHMSS is our winner. Great competition as usual @GoldenGun, thanks very much! I look forward to the next one!

    Can you get more exotic than with YOLT, though? I seem to recall reading somewhere that Barry had broken new ground with this score, that it was essentially the first time a Western composer had incorporated Japanese flavours in his music.

    I'm also curious about what you mean by "simplistic", @Quantum_of_Tomorrow. I can't think of too many Bond scores that are more layered, rich and complex.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    YOLT came in at #9 for me, but looking at my list now, I'm not sure why it wasn't even higher. It's a brilliant score. I think doing my ranking last minute certainly didn't help.

    As for OHMSS, it reigns supreme and came in at #1 for me as well. It's perfection through and through, opening to close. Hell, on a technical level, that film crushes so many other installments in countless ways.

    Fantastic round, everyone, that was very fun. Like the last couple, it was nice seeing a few of mine line up with others while having a couple that didn't seem to meet the opinions of everyone else. Can't wait for the next one, @GoldenGun, thank you so much.
  • No arguments with these top two. They, along with AVTAK, make up my top 3 Barrys. The virtues of YOLT and OHMSS need hardly be extolled. They are both tremendous, lavish scores overflowing with beauty and emotion on a scale approached by few other Bond scores. YOLT and OHMSS truly exist on a plane of their own.

    I enjoyed this contest. I found MI6's dearth of love for David Arnold disturbing as usual, but them's the breaks. ;)

    I did think either TND or CR would likely make it into the top 10, but I was pleasantly surprised QoS proved Arnold's most popular here.

    Fun game all around, @GoldenGun. Can't wait to prepare my ranking for the next one!
  • edited August 2021 Posts: 1,469
    OHMSS was #5 for me, though I rank the film #3. I agree with those of you who already said it's an excellent score from start to finish. I know we aren't really doing title songs, but since it's instrumental, all Barry's, and is used in other parts of the film... I like how Barry seemed to approach it like a hit song and let it build. A few bars with trumpet stabs; the solo Moog synthesizer; then double-time it with tambourine and thrumming bass line; then trombones (I think) play the adventure melody line; later half-muted trumpets echo that; and swirling strings. I also like how he used "We Have All The Time In The World" as an instrumental when Bond's in the casino and meets Tracy, using vibes with piano I think, and gentle strings. Of course that theme takes a more masculine turn during the "take a memo" resignation scene, although it's slower in the film than on the soundtrack. The "Gumbold's Safe" music ratchets up tension. Bond Meets The Girls (also known as the "sexy" theme) sets the right mood.

    Wikipedia says Barry thought, understandably, it would be hard to compose a theme song using the words On Her Majesty's Secret Service, so director Peter Hunt agreed it could be instrumental, of course unusual for the series.

    The site filmmusicnotes says, with new Bond Lazenby, Barry felt his role with the music was "to make the audience forget that they don’t have Sean. What I did was to overemphasize everything that I'd done in the first few movies, just go over the top to try and make the soundtrack strong. To do Bondian beyond Bondian." One way to help achieve that was, in the scene in Bond's flat, to use bits of themes from previous Bond films. And when Bond is taken to see Draco, the guy sweeping the floor whistles the "Goldfinger" tune.

    A bit of trivia: the woman who sang the song "Do You Know How Christmas Trees Are Grown?", Nina van Pallandt, later had an acting role in the film American Gigolo as Richard Gere's "manager". @GoldenGun, thanks for your excellent work tallying the points and your awesome presentation of the scores!
  • What a fantastic finish - and another great tournament with plenty of twists! Thank you, @GoldenGun !

    I have YOLT and OHMSS flipped in my rankings compared to the group voting, largely to do with the haunting, gorgeous, and timeless theme song and its integration in YOLT's score. That said, OHMSS is a bolder and more diverse score (synths, Armstrong, and Nina all on one album!) so a very worthy winner of this tournament.
  • Thanks for another excellent game @GoldenGun
    YOLT at #2 for me as well, with OHMSS at #4..
    Looking forward to the next games!
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    My heartiest congratulations on hosting this game @GoldenGun! It's been a ride. As someone who has OHMSS and YOLT in their top two, the outcome of this game was more than reasonable.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    It's interesting to notice that in the last three games hosted by @GoldenGun, OHMSS has been the absolute winner. Makes me wonder if there's a game in which OHMSS would be seriously challenged by another film. Perhaps we ought to go for "main villain" or "hench(wo)man" or "theme song" next. OHMSS might still end up high on those lists, but I'm not sure the film would win all of those necessarily.

    Then again, who'd have thought LALD could beat some of Barry's aweso--okay okay, I'm over it! Leave me alone. ;-)
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    As a matter of fact, I was thinking about the main villains for the next contest @DarthDimi :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,219
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    As a matter of fact, I was thinking about the main villains for the next contest @DarthDimi :)

    Excellent choice, sir! :-D
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    As a matter of fact, I was thinking about the main villains for the next contest @DarthDimi :)
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  • mattjoesmattjoes THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST THE MOONRAKER TAPES ARE LOST
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    Thanks @GoldenGun for hosting the thread, and everyone else for participating and posting their comments. Even though I didn't rank the scores (I think I would have ended up pulling my hair out in the process), I enjoyed talking about them and reading others' opinions and thoughts.

    On these two last scores I'll just say, very briefly, the following:

    My absolute favorite cue of the YOLT score is in the track James Bond in Japan, from 6:48 to 8:41.

    Probably my favorite pieces of the OHMSS score are Bond Settles In and Dusk at Piz Gloria. That and the gunbarrel music. The brass in that usually sounds pretty energetic, but this time they seem to have gotten an extra injection of adrenaline into the vein.
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