NTTD - Official Trailer Discussion Thread - First trailer OUT NOW (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    mtm wrote: »
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    Okay, yesterday we got not one but two different trailers.

    None of them was able to really hype the web.

    Except for Bond fans you can’t imagine how many people I know or I interact with in other forums as well that felt it was nothing special if not kinda boring. Why? Because that’s been two years since the first trailer and they keep showing always the same old stuff. Mixed differently, with some new glimpse in and there, but always the same old stuff people already saw and got used to it. For some felt dated.
    When the first trailer came out there was another level of excitement and that’s kinda worrying since we’re about just one month away from release.
    I believe they made some kind of mistake. The good thing is that it shows how confident they are with the final product, but to me it looks like they’re just marketing the film as COVID wasn’t a thing…

    I get what you mean. My wife just said: "Isn't it the same one? It's the same footage again and again. It's just not engaging anymore." And she's right.

    That’s the thing.

    For a film that’s been delayed 5 times (3 because of the pandemic) imo they need more than just a trailer remixing the same old stuff to genuinely pump up the level of excitement. As I said last week, they should just drop that clip of the chase they showed at the Con. Given how enthusiastic was the reception it would makes sense to me to show it in advance to the public. That would prove without any, any, doubt that the movie is really worth a trip to the theater, skyrocketing the hype, because after all this time their current promotion feels… dated. Desperate times call for drastic measures.

    No I don't think that's a good idea. It'll be the biggest launch of a film this year, it'll do fine.

    That will be Spider-Man. Anyway, marketing a film like it wasn’t delayed for a year and a half is kinda disappointing to me. Come on… they basically remixed the trailer that came out one year ago…

    I don’t think so: Spider Man isn’t going to make the front pages of newspapers etc. It’s just another superhero film. It basically depends how many superhero fans you follow on Twitter which defines your perception of how hyped people in general are.
    And exactly: you’re saying that the trailer is disappointing to you- it sounds like you just want to see more of the film. Which is fair enough, but it doesn’t mean it’s a bad marketing strategy.

    Well yes if you put it this way I obviously agree.

    My point is it feels underwhelming that after a 1.5 year delay they’re still showing us one month before release always the same old stuff. If they wanted to completely avoid the feeling of NTTD being kinda dated for the GA, well, imo they missed it. Closing the final trailer with the same old scene of Bond and Nomi flying that thing? After it was the highlight of the Super Bowl spot that came out ages ago? Really? How about that past films opening montage? I saw fan made stuff far better that that.

    To me it looks like they’re marketing this film like COVID isn’t a thing and NTTD wasn’t delayed for such a long time. There’s something missing in those trailers and I frankly believe they could’ve done way better.

    They even dropped it two hours before and then removed it. Come on…

    Well that was an accident, I'm not sure what you're complaining about there.

    They're new trailers but they're for the same film, it's not like it's a limitless source of material they can pull from. And they don't want to spoil it. Without having seen the film you can't exactly state for sure that some other imaginary version of the trailer would have been better.
    A friend of mine who isn't a fan texted our group to say he was, um, 'horny' for the film having seen it, so this is all just anecdotal. 'My wife wasn't interested' etc. Bond will be a bigger launch than Spider-Man, in Europe especially where it's huge every time. I don't get what you're worrying about. People will go and see the film, it's okay.

    I already largely explained my feeling toward this, there’s no need to express it again.

    The thing I’m worried about is that there won’t be that huge expectation and hype this film desperately needs in order to make some good money within this desolate 50% off business.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,394
    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Okay, yesterday we got not one but two different trailers.

    None of them was able to really hype the web.

    Except for Bond fans you can’t imagine how many people I know or I interact with in other forums as well that felt it was nothing special if not kinda boring. Why? Because that’s been two years since the first trailer and they keep showing always the same old stuff. Mixed differently, with some new glimpse in and there, but always the same old stuff people already saw and got used to it. For some felt dated.
    When the first trailer came out there was another level of excitement and that’s kinda worrying since we’re about just one month away from release.
    I believe they made some kind of mistake. The good thing is that it shows how confident they are with the final product, but to me it looks like they’re just marketing the film as COVID wasn’t a thing…

    I get what you mean. My wife just said: "Isn't it the same one? It's the same footage again and again. It's just not engaging anymore." And she's right.

    That’s the thing.

    For a film that’s been delayed 5 times (3 because of the pandemic) imo they need more than just a trailer remixing the same old stuff to genuinely pump up the level of excitement. As I said last week, they should just drop that clip of the chase they showed at the Con. Given how enthusiastic was the reception it would makes sense to me to show it in advance to the public. That would prove without any, any, doubt that the movie is really worth a trip to the theater, skyrocketing the hype, because after all this time their current promotion feels… dated. Desperate times call for drastic measures.

    No I don't think that's a good idea. It'll be the biggest launch of a film this year, it'll do fine.

    That will be Spider-Man. Anyway, marketing a film like it wasn’t delayed for a year and a half is kinda disappointing to me. Come on… they basically remixed the trailer that came out one year ago…

    I don’t think so: Spider Man isn’t going to make the front pages of newspapers etc. It’s just another superhero film. It basically depends how many superhero fans you follow on Twitter which defines your perception of how hyped people in general are.
    And exactly: you’re saying that the trailer is disappointing to you- it sounds like you just want to see more of the film. Which is fair enough, but it doesn’t mean it’s a bad marketing strategy.

    Well yes if you put it this way I obviously agree.

    My point is it feels underwhelming that after a 1.5 year delay they’re still showing us one month before release always the same old stuff. If they wanted to completely avoid the feeling of NTTD being kinda dated for the GA, well, imo they missed it. Closing the final trailer with the same old scene of Bond and Nomi flying that thing? After it was the highlight of the Super Bowl spot that came out ages ago? Really? How about that past films opening montage? I saw fan made stuff far better that that.

    To me it looks like they’re marketing this film like COVID isn’t a thing and NTTD wasn’t delayed for such a long time. There’s something missing in those trailers and I frankly believe they could’ve done way better.

    They even dropped it two hours before and then removed it. Come on…

    Well that was an accident, I'm not sure what you're complaining about there.

    They're new trailers but they're for the same film, it's not like it's a limitless source of material they can pull from. And they don't want to spoil it. Without having seen the film you can't exactly state for sure that some other imaginary version of the trailer would have been better.
    A friend of mine who isn't a fan texted our group to say he was, um, 'horny' for the film having seen it, so this is all just anecdotal. 'My wife wasn't interested' etc. Bond will be a bigger launch than Spider-Man, in Europe especially where it's huge every time. I don't get what you're worrying about. People will go and see the film, it's okay.

    I already largely explained my feeling toward this, there’s no need to express it again.

    The thing I’m worried about is that there won’t be that huge expectation and hype this film desperately needs in order to make some good money within this desolate 50% off business.

    When you say there's no need to express it again, it is usual to not express it again immediately in the next sentence :))

    Anyhow, here's a fun comparison of the trailers:

    A new No Time to Die trailer was released yesterday, which can only mean one thing: Covid cases are about to surge and we’ll be back in lockdown in a fortnight.

    :D

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/sep/01/no-time-to-die-new-trailer-007-bond
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2021 Posts: 4,343
    I just made it clear since you asked… but I didn’t want to repeat all the arguments that fuel my worrying that I wrote all over again. XD
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Final US Trailer - Screencaps:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/wWJyTAT

    Final International Trailer - Screencaps:
    https://imgur.com/gallery/3ZjQ1oI

    Have tried to include mostly new shots not scene in previous trailers, spots, etc.
  • Posts: 490
    Safin has a bullet hole in his chest in the shot of him lying in the snow. It looks like he's wearing body armor, which explains why he has the wind knocked out of him. In another trailer you can see he also has a second gunshot wound in his arm which is why he's holding the gun awkwardly as he shoots at the frozen lake.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 3,327
    ertert wrote: »
    Safin has a bullet hole in his chest in the shot of him lying in the snow. It looks like he's wearing body armor, which explains why he has the wind knocked out of him. In another trailer you can see he also has a second gunshot wound in his arm which is why he's holding the gun awkwardly as he shoots at the frozen lake.

    I'm trying not to absorb too much detail like this when watching the trailers, in case it ruins the experience of watching the film itself. The more you get to know beforehand, it will take away the fun and surprise of watching it.

    One thing I do like about the trailer after giving them both another view (the US one is slightly better), is the inclusion of what sounds like Hans Zimmer's music. Shows promise that this will have a great soundtrack.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    That’s not Zimmer’s work.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    Hahaha incredible.
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    I love the shot of Saffin in the snow.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Question: If Safin wants Madeleine alive, why is Primo shooting Madeleine's side of the car?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Question: If Safin wants Madeleine alive, why is Primo shooting Madeleine's side of the car?

    To get her by smashing out her window. Or Primo could be working for a whole new organization. Blofeld and Spectre.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Question: If Safin wants Madeleine alive, why is Primo shooting Madeleine's side of the car?

    To get her by smashing out her window.
    I thought that too but it's quite the risk.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,137
    mtm wrote: »

    Oh very good.
    I'm sure we'll be seeing more of these. Perhaps with Connery and Brosnan too.
  • Posts: 1,630
    Final Bond movie ads for prior Bond actors -- brilliant ! For Connery, though -- which film ? For Dalton it was a short run-up to that final film. For Brosnan it came up rather quickly, too. For Lazenby, of course, you get right to it ! I think doing one for CR '67 could be quite funny, too. Perhaps for CR '67 you'd start with the earlier days, of Card Sense Jimmy Bond on 1950s US TV with Barry Nelson as the first on-screen Bond !
  • mtm wrote: »

    Haa! Very good! :))
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Question: If Safin wants Madeleine alive, why is Primo shooting Madeleine's side of the car?

    Because at that time Primo worked for Blofeld, not Safin.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,394
    Since62 wrote: »
    Final Bond movie ads for prior Bond actors -- brilliant ! For Connery, though -- which film ? For Dalton it was a short run-up to that final film. For Brosnan it came up rather quickly, too. For Lazenby, of course, you get right to it ! I think doing one for CR '67 could be quite funny, too. Perhaps for CR '67 you'd start with the earlier days, of Card Sense Jimmy Bond on 1950s US TV with Barry Nelson as the first on-screen Bond !

    I quite like the idea that the PTS beach scene of On Her Majesty’s Secret Service HAS LED TO THIS :D
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    You know how people say CR was the advent of a "darker" Bond story ? Surely, it was, after that which preceded it. And OHMSS is acknowledged as having "gone there" earlier, though only in its ending. For me, though the PTS of OHMSS was when the films REALLY went dark. I mean, it's DARK. Not very visible, you know ? Gee, even the PTS in FRWL and GF occurred at night, but were quite visible.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Since62 wrote: »
    You know how people say CR was the advent of a "darker" Bond story ? Surely, it was, after that which preceded it. And OHMSS is acknowledged as having "gone there" earlier, though only in its ending. For me, though the PTS of OHMSS was when the films REALLY went dark. I mean, it's DARK. Not very visible, you know ? Gee, even the PTS in FRWL and GF occurred at night, but were quite visible.

    It’s one of my favorite aspects of OHMSS, honestly, the dark cinematography, particularly during the PTS.
  • Posts: 1,630
    ( In the theater when it came out, particularly since it comes right at the start ) Hey ! There's something wrong ! You there, in the projection booth ! Change your light bulb and start over !
  • Posts: 1,181
    Getting serious DAD vibes from one of those trailers.
  • Ed83 wrote: »
    Getting serious DAD vibes from one of those trailers.

    Christ, don't say that!
  • Ed83 wrote: »
    Getting serious DAD vibes from one of those trailers.

    Christ, don't say that!

    I remeber seeing the DAD trailer and getting a feeling that it would be an epic type Bond film, I'm getting that vibe from the trailers. Although both feature Cuba, both written by Purvis and Wade ...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Ed83 wrote: »
    Getting serious DAD vibes from one of those trailers.

    Christ, don't say that!

    I remeber seeing the DAD trailer and getting a feeling that it would be an epic type Bond film, I'm getting that vibe from the trailers. Although both feature Cuba, both written by Purvis and Wade ...

    I imagine that Purvis and Wade will barely recognize their work in the final cut of the film; Cary Fukunaga worked on the script, and he's known for his page one-- and very thorough-- re-writes. He then hires uncredited Scott Burns to focus on punching up the action set-pieces. Phoebe Waller Bridge is finally brought on for character and some story polishes. As far as writing goes, these three are talented heavyweights of the craft.

    In my little corner of the world, I'm comfortable in betting NTTD and DAD will not resemble each other in the slightest.
  • Posts: 1,970
    mtm wrote: »

    Thats pretty cool
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    I think BonSimonLeBon_1 has quite a point, though !

    Both DAD and NTTD have the word die prominently appearing in the title. First word, Last word.

    In both, Bond goes to a location important to the Villain, working in coordination with a lady agent each time, and at which water features prominently.

    In both, Bond thought he knew a woman and though he was on his side but it turns out she has an important relationship -- for whatever reasons -- with the villain.

    In DAD the villain's right-hand-man has stuff in his face, and in NTTD the villain himself has facial scarring.

    In both, as noted above, Bond goes to Cuba.

    In both, Bond drives -- and uses in a battle of sorts -- a tricked out Aston Martin with weapons.

    In both, the villain's nefarious plot involves the use of some hi-tech science, capable of killing many people in a very brief period of time.

    In both, the villain formerly worked for one organization opposed to Bond, and now works for themself, and opposed to Bond.

    Both title songs have a popular lady singer performing the title song, which the lady in each instance wrote. Good heavens, I started out joking but this is getting serious !

    Oh -- here's one more -- in both, it features the final performance of the Bond actor appearing as Bond. Of course, Pierce B did not know it at the time, so there's a difference...
  • Since62 wrote: »
    I think BonSimonLeBon_1 has quite a point, though !

    Both DAD and NTTD have the word die prominently appearing in the title. First word, Last word.

    In both, Bond goes to a location important to the Villain, working in coordination with a lady agent each time, and at which water features prominently.

    In both, Bond thought he knew a woman and though he was on his side but it turns out she has an important relationship -- for whatever reasons -- with the villain.

    In DAD the villain's right-hand-man has stuff in his face, and in NTTD the villain himself has facial scarring.

    In both, as noted above, Bond goes to Cuba.

    In both, Bond drives -- and uses in a battle of sorts -- a tricked out Aston Martin with weapons.

    In both, the villain's nefarious plot involves the use of some hi-tech science, capable of killing many people in a very brief period of time.

    In both, the villain formerly worked for one organization opposed to Bond, and now works for themself, and opposed to Bond.

    Both title songs have a popular lady singer performing the title song, which the lady in each instance wrote. Good heavens, I started out joking but this is getting serious !

    Oh -- here's one more -- in both, it features the final performance of the Bond actor appearing as Bond. Of course, Pierce B did not know it at the time, so there's a difference...

    Well that's ok then. Nothing much to worry about. :-j
    In the words of Butch Cassidy `For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble...'
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited September 2021 Posts: 5,970
    I can't lie my biggest concern about No Time to Die is that there are some that are willing this to fail because it would support arguments they've made...
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 1,220
    I’m at the point where I don’t know if im reading too much into things knowing what I know (or at least having made educated guesses) about the film but did any one else feel like the trailer is teasing some massive plot developments?
    1. Bond’s child: “Life is all about leaving something behind, isn’t it?”
    2. Bond’s death: Safin’s line about leaving something behind, the shot of Bond staring up at the massive doors closing in on him overhead, his line “I have to finish this.” with the way it is delivered just really feels like they’re setting up some sort of self-sacrifice.

    I know the concept of killing Bond has been largely unpopular and most believe that his death would be teased but disproved a la TDKR but in the context of Craig’s run actually killing him off makes a lot of sense. They’ve gone through great efforts to show that this Bond can make mistakes, this Bond can get hurt, this Bond can fall in love, and what if they show in this film that this Bond is also mortal? It would be kind of fitting for his tenure to build to the big, epic “save the world” story, but he does so at the cost of his own life.

    I know some have used the “James Bond will return” line to write off this possibility, but they said that Bond would return, not that this Bond would return.
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