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  • TR007TR007
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    Visions looks amazing! This is the sort of thing Disney should be doing more of. I can understand them wanting to play it safe when it comes to theatrical releases, but for the Disney + content they should be encouraged to spread their wings and try new and innovative takes on the Star Wars universe.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The trailer leaves me a little cold as it seems quite noisy (and the swords have never been my favourite aspect of SW, and this seems to be all about them) but I'll give it a go as it seems to have been made with love and artistry.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    This is the kind of thing I was hoping more from future Star Wars productions. Different filmmakers/artists getting their own stab at the Star Wars universe. Star Trek has been doing this recently with "Short Treks" where it's mainly standalone stories, aside from a few that actually connect with the shows.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Yes, I'm in. Japanimation is my favourite kind, after all.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-editor-slams-disney/

    I think that killing Han Solo was Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan’s idea for a while. And Luke was going to die at some point, as George Lucas’s drafts always seemed to have it.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-editor-slams-disney/

    I think that killing Han Solo was Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan’s idea for a while. And Luke was going to die at some point, as George Lucas’s drafts always seemed to have it.

    I would prefer Han Solo and Luke to stay alive as they are Star wars legends since 1977 and adored by fans.

    They should have killed off some of the newer cast instead.???
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited September 2021 Posts: 8,188
    I have no problem with Han and Luke dying. Their time as the main heroes for the original trilogy was completed in ROTK, just as Anakin and Obi-Wan were the focal characters for the prequels.

    If there’s ever a fourth trilogy, I would hope they keep the tradition of giving new heroes the main roles, and Rey, Finn, and Poe can serve as supporting roles.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    007InAction wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-editor-slams-disney/

    I think that killing Han Solo was Harrison Ford and Lawrence Kasdan’s idea for a while. And Luke was going to die at some point, as George Lucas’s drafts always seemed to have it.

    I would prefer Han Solo and Luke to stay alive as they are Star wars legends since 1977 and adored by fans.

    They should have killed off some of the newer cast instead.???

    Nostalgia should always trump passing the torch to a new generation, eh? Not a very good message.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Minion wrote: »
    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.

    The bigger problem was skipping out a whole bunch of events. Going from VI to VII, it feels like there was a whole trilogy we missed out. If anything sequels we got should have been X, XI and XII.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Minion wrote: »
    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.

    You say that as if there wasn't 30 years of peace between the two trilogies.
  • TR007TR007
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    Agent007391 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.

    You say that as if there wasn't 30 years of peace between the two trilogies.
    I quite like the sequel trilogy. TFA & TLJ are both wonderful, wonderful movies, but I do wish that there was a line of dialogue thrown in there that states that under Leia and the New Republic there was 30 years of peace.
    When watching the Sequel Trilogy after the Original Trilogy it does sort of come across like our heroes have been on the back foot since the Battle of Endor.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    TR007 wrote: »
    Agent007391 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.

    You say that as if there wasn't 30 years of peace between the two trilogies.
    I quite like the sequel trilogy. TFA & TLJ are both wonderful, wonderful movies, but I do wish that there was a line of dialogue thrown in there that states that under Leia and the New Republic there was 30 years of peace.
    When watching the Sequel Trilogy after the Original Trilogy it does sort of come across like our heroes have been on the back foot since the Battle of Endor.

    Yes that's a fair point. Even a little flashback would have been nice showing the sudden appearance of the First Order or something.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited September 2021 Posts: 2,535
    THE LAST JEDI reviews on metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes are so different it's amazing,bizarre etc.....

    91% TOMATOMETER 42% AUDIENCE SCORE
    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi
    Critic Reviews 84 User Reviews 4.1
    https://www.metacritic.com/movie/star-wars-episode-viii---the-last-jedi
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Agent007391 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.

    You say that as if there wasn't 30 years of peace between the two trilogies.

    You say that as though this were real life and not a fantasy adventure series intended for kids and families. Regardless of how you cut it, it isn't satisfying going from "Yub Nub" to "Nothing mattered!"

    Are you familiar with The New Shadow? It was a sequel J.R.R. Tolkien was writting for The Lord of the Rings which he quickly abandoned when he wisely realized how hollow it would make the victory against Sauron if he undid it. What Disney pulled with Star Wars wasn't much different what they pull with each Halloween sequel revealing Michael Myers didn't die at the end of the previous movie and immediately killing off the characters who beat him last time. In fact, the Sequel Trilogy would have been held under far less scrutiny and criticism had they set their stories 100 years after Return of the Jedi; Luke, Han, and Leia all lived out the rest of their lives in peace and now its time for a new generation to face their own evils, instead of them all dying unceremoniously. It would make the fact they resurrect the same damn villains as before far less offensive, even if it's still a testament to how poorly conceived and lazy VII thru IX were.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    More from Marcia Lucas on Star Wars:

    https://www.cbr.com/star-wars-phantom-menace-george-lucas-ex-wife-cried/
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Minion wrote: »
    Agent007391 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Heroes shouldn’t have their victories snatched from them. The worst offense committed by the Sequel Trilogy wasn’t being poorly written, but ruining the conclusion of the Original Trilogy in the process.

    You say that as if there wasn't 30 years of peace between the two trilogies.

    You say that as though this were real life and not a fantasy adventure series intended for kids and families. Regardless of how you cut it, it isn't satisfying going from "Yub Nub" to "Nothing mattered!"

    Are you familiar with The New Shadow? It was a sequel J.R.R. Tolkien was writting for The Lord of the Rings which he quickly abandoned when he wisely realized how hollow it would make the victory against Sauron if he undid it. What Disney pulled with Star Wars wasn't much different what they pull with each Halloween sequel revealing Michael Myers didn't die at the end of the previous movie and immediately killing off the characters who beat him last time. In fact, the Sequel Trilogy would have been held under far less scrutiny and criticism had they set their stories 100 years after Return of the Jedi; Luke, Han, and Leia all lived out the rest of their lives in peace and now its time for a new generation to face their own evils, instead of them all dying unceremoniously. It would make the fact they resurrect the same damn villains as before far less offensive, even if it's still a testament to how poorly conceived and lazy VII thru IX were.

    Funnily, I love ALIEN 3.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I don't know about phallic lightsabers and gaslighting through Jedi mind tricks, but otherwise I'd agree with that post. One of the interesting things about going back to the Star Wars films is looking how not great the Jedi actually are, and their hypocrisies, etc.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    :)) This is terrific!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,431
    I've always thought the Jedi are creepy. Secretive, mostly humourless, cult police who seem to operate independently from the government, with the power to actually control people's minds, and they carry around weapons which can only seriously maim or kill.

    I like Star Wars for the characters like Han Solo or the Mandalorian: anyone with a laser sword or the force turns me off.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Superintendent wrote: »
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    Wow. This is not altogether wrong...
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    I've always thought the Jedi are creepy. Secretive, mostly humourless, cult police who seem to operate independently from the government, with the power to actually control people's minds, and they carry around weapons which can only seriously maim or kill.

    I like Star Wars for the characters like Han Solo or the Mandalorian: anyone with a laser sword or the force turns me off.

    It's interesting because I think Jedi could be viewed a little like 00 agents; governmental police of the republic armed to kill.
    They say absolutes are a thing of the Sith, and then use them throughout the films.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I've always thought the Jedi are creepy. Secretive, mostly humourless, cult police who seem to operate independently from the government, with the power to actually control people's minds, and they carry around weapons which can only seriously maim or kill.

    I like Star Wars for the characters like Han Solo or the Mandalorian: anyone with a laser sword or the force turns me off.

    It's interesting because I think Jedi could be viewed a little like 00 agents; governmental police of the republic armed to kill.
    They say absolutes are a thing of the Sith, and then use them throughout the films.

    I concur. But I still love the films, just like Bond. We must acknowledge the flaws in the movies and indeed the people we love.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Do the films ever question the Jedi though? Everyone in the movies always seems to be in love with the idea of them, whereas I think Bond is at least occasionally acknowledged as a bit of a dick.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
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    Luke did in TLJ and everyone complained about that. Ironic.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Revenge Of The Sith posed a few doubts surrounding the Jedi's sincerity, if I am remembering correctly. It's been a while since I've seen it, though.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    ROTS plays up the idea that the prophecy was misread, but overall it paints the fall of the Jedi as tragic. I think it was TPM that played with the idea that the Jedi became bureaucratic but that’s all in subtext.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    The prequels certainly critique the Jedi, yeah. Yoda comments on their arrogance, and Palpatine's criticisms of the Jedi are made to ring true. It's part of the point.

    The idea seems to be that the maverick Qui-Gon had it right, and the Jedi should have been more like him and less like Yoda, Mace and co.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2021 Posts: 16,431
    NoTimeToLive wrote: »
    Luke did in TLJ and everyone complained about that. Ironic.

    Yes that rings a bell now you say that.
    I was never comfortable with how they were portrayed in the prequels: I remember watching Anakin and Obi Wan having their car chase in the second one, chopping peoples' limbs off, using their creepy mind powers on people and it all being quite jolly and breezy but thinking it all seemed quite sinister.
    The only criticism seemed to be that they'd become a bit too insular, not that their whole existence was really weird.
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